• Possibly off topic, asking about running android apps on an emulator

    From reeze@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 16 22:48:22 2024
    Possibly off topic, did not see a more appropiate
    group.

    Don't have a smart phone, considering an android
    emulator for Windows 10 because my fiber provider,
    Bluepeak, does not support a web interface for
    managing their equipment - they have a smart phone
    app only (android and ios). Sitting at my pc with
    a mouse and keyboard would be easier preferable ;)

    So what I am hoping is possible is being able to
    run their app in an emulator.

    Been looking for an excuse to get an android
    tablet, this might be it. Don't want to spend
    much though.

    Thanks in advance, and apologies if this is
    too off topic.

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to reeze on Sun Nov 17 19:31:25 2024
    On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:48:22 -0700, reeze wrote:

    Possibly off topic, did not see a more appropiate
    group.

    Don't have a smart phone, considering an android
    emulator for Windows 10 because my fiber provider,
    Bluepeak, does not support a web interface for
    managing their equipment - they have a smart phone
    app only (android and ios). Sitting at my pc with
    a mouse and keyboard would be easier preferable ;)

    So what I am hoping is possible is being able to
    run their app in an emulator.

    Been looking for an excuse to get an android
    tablet, this might be it. Don't want to spend
    much though.

    Thanks in advance, and apologies if this is
    too off topic.


    I have Android-x86 running successfully in a virtual machine (VMWare Workstation Player) on Windows 10.

    * Android-x86 -- <https://www.android-x86.org/releases>

    Android-x86 latest version is Android 9 Pie. If the smart phone app
    will run on Android 9 Pie, that is an option.

    VMWare Workstation is free for personal non-commercial use. <https://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2024/05/vmware-workstation-pro-now-available-free-for-personal-use.html>


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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 09:06:49 2024
    Ralph,

    I have Android-x86 running successfully in a virtual machine (VMWare Workstation Player) on Windows 10.

    * Android-x86 -- <https://www.android-x86.org/releases>

    Question: is that just an emulator, or does it come with app-building capabilities ?

    If the latter I'm interrested (I have a pixel 6 which I would like to be
    able to experiment with/write my own apps for).

    A problem though: the first link doesn't allow me to download the 32-bit ISO
    (I lifted the link from the HTML source as my browser "doesn't do" JS), and
    the latter just tells me that it doesn't have any pre-builds available.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Dave Royal@21:1/5 to Ralph Fox on Sun Nov 17 08:09:25 2024
    Ralph Fox <[email protected]d> Wrote in message:

    On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:48:22 -0700, reeze wrote:

    Possibly off topic, did not see a more appropiate
    group.

    Don't have a smart phone, considering an android
    emulator for Windows 10 because my fiber provider,
    Bluepeak, does not support a web interface for
    managing their equipment - they have a smart phone
    app only (android and ios). Sitting at my pc with
    a mouse and keyboard would be easier preferable ;)

    So what I am hoping is possible is being able to
    run their app in an emulator.

    Been looking for an excuse to get an android
    tablet, this might be it. Don't want to spend
    much though.

    Thanks in advance, and apologies if this is
    too off topic.


    I have Android-x86 running successfully in a virtual machine (VMWare Workstation Player) on Windows 10.

    * Android-x86 -- <https://www.android-x86.org/releases>

    Android-x86 latest version is Android 9 Pie. If the smart phone app
    will run on Android 9 Pie, that is an option.

    VMWare Workstation is free for personal non-commercial use. <https://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2024/05/vmware-workstation-pro-now-available-free-for-personal-use.html>


    This?
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eero.android&hl=en_US>

    That runs on Android 9. But it's likely to be updated in future so
    that it no longer does.
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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Dave Royal on Mon Nov 18 00:04:16 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 08:09:25 +0000 (GMT), Dave Royal wrote:

    This? <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eero.android&hl=en_US>

    That runs on Android 9. But it's likely to be updated in future so
    that it no longer does.

    For that eventuality, consider BlissOS instead of Android-x86.

    * BlissOS -- <https://blissos.org/>

    BlissOS 15.x stable versions are based on Android 12L.
    BlissOS 16.x beta (test) versions are based on Android 13.

    I cannot give personal testimony on BlissOS, just Android-x86.


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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Sun Nov 17 23:44:17 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 09:06:49 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:
    Ralph,

    I have Android-x86 running successfully in a virtual machine (VMWare
    Workstation Player) on Windows 10.

    * Android-x86 -- <https://www.android-x86.org/releases>

    Question: is that just an emulator, or does it come with app-building capabilities ?

    It is real Android. Not an emulator. Built to run on x86 processors.

    If you install it in a VM on (say) Windows 10, you get an Android tablet
    device running in your VM. Like other Android devices, there is no app *building* capability on the device.

    If the latter I'm interrested (I have a pixel 6 which I would like to be
    able to experiment with/write my own apps for).

    It is not the latter.

    A problem though: the first link doesn't allow me to download the 32-bit ISO (I lifted the link from the HTML source as my browser "doesn't do" JS), and the latter just tells me that it doesn't have any pre-builds available.

    The ISO images are there -- perhaps fosshub and osdn might both need JS.

    You can download ready-to-use VM images from <http://www.osboxes.org/android-x86/>.
    But without JS, you will not be able to change which VM you want the image for.


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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 14:46:29 2024
    Ralph,

    Question: is that just an emulator, or does it come with app-building
    capabilities ?

    It is real Android. Not an emulator. Built to run on x86 processors.

    Thank you. In that case I have to look elsewhere.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Andrews@21:1/5 to reeze on Sun Nov 17 14:18:14 2024
    reeze wrote on Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:48:22 -0700 :

    So what I am hoping is possible is being able to
    run their app in an emulator.

    From your headers I presume you're on Windows where there are many Android emulators on Windows, all of which I've tested but that was years ago.

    Now I simply control my Android on Windows with the phone mounted as a hard drive over Wi-Fi so the phone is about two feet tall & uses PC speakers.

    At the time I wrote all the tutorials and posted them to the Windows &
    Android newsgroups, the free Android emulators on Windows were from Google, Arm, Microsoft, Genymotion, Andyroid, Bluestacks, Nox, Koplayer, Remixos
    and MeMu.

    Here's a cut-and-paste of an old summary I posted to the newsgroup since
    I'm an unusually helpful person who loves to learn & disseminate knowledge.

    Google (Android ?, fails on older AMD CPUs but is the default for AS)
    Arm (Android ?, nobody recommends these, too slow to be usable)
    Microsoft (Android 6, works great on older AMD CPUs, integrates into AS)
    Genymotion (Android 7.1, everyone recommends for speed & compatibility)
    Andyroid (Android 7.1.2, simple setup where AS instantly recognized it)
    Bluestacks (Android 7.1.1, simple & runs fast, wouldn't work with AS)
    Nox (Android 4.4.2, targeted to gamers)
    Ko (Android ?)
    MeMu (Android Lollipop)
    RemixOS* (Android Marshmallow, incompatible with AMD)

    *Google Emulators* (Android 9)
    Google Emulators are the cat's meow, all the way to Android 9
    But they don't work on older AMD CPUs (on Windows only, apparently)
    One great thing about the Google emulators, is some have Google Play
    That allows people to run other software, e.g., NewPipe as one example
    Comes pre-integrated with Android Studio

    *Arm Emulators* (Android 9?)
    They are too slow on my machine to be worth the trouble
    Most people suggest ARM eabi-v7a for older AMD CPUs it's slow
    Does not appear to come with Google Play (which is important)
    Comes pre-integrated with Android Studio

    *Microsoft Emulators* (Last version, forever, is Android 6)
    The Microsoft Emulators are fantastic - but they stop at Android 6
    The Microsoft emulators don't appear to have Google Play installed
    They're the only emulators that work with Windows 10 Pro Hyper-V enabled!
    Very easy to integrate into Android Studio (as an external tool)
    <https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/msft-android-emulator/>

    *Genymotion Emulator* (Android 4 to 7 - and maybe 8 & 9)
    Generally considered superior to all other emulators on Windows!
    Most complex to set up (if things fail) due to Win10 & VMWare needs
    Very well integrated into Android Studio (even has its own plugin)
    I don't see Google Play (yet)
    <https://www.genymotion.com/fun-zone/>

    *Andyroid Emulator* (Android 7.1.2)
    This is very simple to set up (turn off Windows 10 Hyper-V!)
    This installs Bonjour and VMWare bundled "services"
    Comes with Google Play & F-Droid NewPipe came up, ran, but failed
    Android Studio recognized it instantly so it's nicely integrated
    <https://www.andyroid.net/>

    *Bluestacks4 Emulator* (Android 7.1.1)
    This is very simple to set up (turn off Windows 10 Hyper-V!)
    They seem to be very focused on running Android games on Windows
    Comes with Google Play & successfully ran F-Droid NewPipe tests
    I need to learn how to integrate it into Android Studio
    Drawback is that it has ads
    <https://www.bluestacks.com/bluestacks-4.html>

    *Nox* (Android 4.4.2)
    Targeted to gamers
    No ads
    https://www.bignox.com/

    *MeMu (Android Lollipop)
    Targeted to gamers
    Good support for AMD & Nvidia chips
    https://www.memuplay.com

    *Ko Player* (Android )
    Targeted to gamers
    Ad supported
    Said to be buggy
    http://www.koplayer.com/
    Updated: Nov 26, 2018 Version: 2.0.0
    http://down1.koplayer.com/Emulator/koplayer-2.0.0.exe

    *Remix* (Android Marshmallow)
    Incompatible with AMD chips
    Jide Technology has stopped supporting this
    It's an Android boot system
    http://www.jide.com/remixos
    Version 3.0.207 Release date: November 25, 2016
    It doesn't seem to be available in 2018

    The caveat is I haven't touched any of these free Android emulators on
    Windows since, oh, probably five years ago - so my conclusions may be
    different today than yesterday - but I'd suggest Genymotion emulators.

    As I recall, they force you to create an account but you can use a bogus
    email address, and you have to state it's for personal use only though.

    Note that Genymotion also donated the open source scrcpy/sndcpy software
    which allows you to control your Android phone onto the PC which I use.

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  • From reeze@21:1/5 to Andrews on Wed Nov 20 22:19:58 2024
    Andrews wrote:
    reeze wrote on Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:48:22 -0700 :


    Thanks to those who have responded. Looking at

    https://www.msi.com/Landing/appplayer

    which looks promising. My (so far) only intent
    is to run the Bluepeak app periodically as I
    feel it's a good idea to monitor the router etc.
    On my old setup I could connect to its internal
    web page which was very handy on a couple
    occaisons. Have a little more googling to do
    and I may have my project for Thanksgiving
    break...

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