• Re: Recommandations for mail-app

    From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Jesper on Mon Oct 28 21:01:08 2024
    On 28/10/2024 20:43, Jesper wrote:
    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    FairEmail is pretty good.

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    Jeff

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  • From Qihe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 22:29:13 2024
    Jesper <[email protected]> ha scritto:

    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    K-9 is easy enough and rocksolid but you should first double check
    that everything it's ok with your google account.
    If you can't get mail on the standard app, maybe there is
    something to fix at your gmail account.
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    Qihe

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  • From Qihe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 22:20:25 2024
    Jeff Layman <[email protected]d> ha scritto:

    On 28/10/2024 20:43, Jesper wrote:
    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    FairEmail is pretty good.

    Very good but not as simple as k-9.

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    Qihe

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Jesper on Mon Oct 28 17:42:46 2024
    On 28.10.24 15:43, Jesper wrote:
    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Open Source: K-9. I use it on my Pixels for years.


    --
    "De gustibus non est disputandum."

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Jesper on Mon Oct 28 18:38:46 2024
    Jesper <[email protected]> wrote:

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    I had MS Outlook on my desktop PC, switched to eM Client (when I decided
    to stop paying for MS 365 subscriptionware), but went back to MS Outlook
    due to problems with eM Client (half of the reminders on events never
    appears, but starting in version 9 versus 8, and earlier, didn't have
    the problem).

    As a consequence of using MS Outlook on my desktop, and because I also
    did not like the Gmail Android app, I went to the MS Outlook app:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.office.outlook

    Never seen an ad in Outlook for Android.

    Mozilla acquired K-9 for Android, but haven't yet rebranded K-9 as
    Thunderbird:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9

    I've not used K-9, so can't give a recommendation for or against it. It
    is free. Never hear of it having ads.

    Mailbird has free and paid versions:

    https://www.getmailbird.com/pricing/?utm_location=US

    The free version supports only 1 account, so you'd have to pay for the
    Standard or Premium versions to support 2, or more, accounts. I have 6
    email accounts, so their free versions was not a candidate at the time.
    They have both monthly subscription and pay-once plans. Been a while
    since I looked at Mailbird, but don't recall seeing any ads.

    I had, as mentioned above, used eM Client on my desktop for around 3
    years. They have an Android app. It might have the same 3-account
    limit for the free version as does the free desktop version, but I'm not
    sure of that. Could not find a price on their Android app (maybe they
    have only a free Android app).

    https://www.emclient.com/
    https://www.emclient.com/mobile-features

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Qihe on Tue Oct 29 00:09:00 2024
    Qihe wrote:

    Jesper <[email protected]> ha scritto:

    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    K-9 is easy enough and rocksolid

    seconded

    but you should first double check
    that everything it's ok with your google account.

    I don't use it with gmail, but i have used it that way for trsting, I do
    use it with my ISP's POP server and MS's exchange365 server as IMAP.

    If you can't get mail on the standard app, maybe there is
    something to fix at your gmail account.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Mon Oct 28 18:41:02 2024
    VanguardLH <[email protected]> wrote:

    ... Mailbird has free and paid versions:

    Oops, Mailbird doesn't have an Android app, just Windows and Mac.

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  • From Andrews@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Oct 29 02:47:17 2024
    Andy Burns wrote on Tue, 29 Oct 2024 00:09:00 +0000 :

    K-9 is easy enough and rocksolid

    seconded

    but you should first double check
    that everything it's ok with your google account.

    I don't use it with gmail, but i have used it that way for trsting, I do
    use it with my ISP's POP server and MS's exchange365 server as IMAP.

    If you can't get mail on the standard app, maybe there is
    something to fix at your gmail account.

    Bear in mind that the Google "GMail" app on Android can't be used if you
    set up your phone WITHOUT a Google mothership tracking account on the
    phone.

    You can have as many Google Accounts as you like (I have tons of them, for example) but I'm talking about the one account set up in the phone (my
    phone has none).

    The first time you use the GMail app on Android, the moment you log into
    that Google Account with the Gmail app, the app UNILATERALLY (without
    asking you!) *creates* a Google Account on your Android phone.

    Worse, it uploads your contacts, again, WITHOUT ASKING YOU first.
    You can turn that off subsequently, but they ALREADY HAVE THEM by then.

    What's the point?

    If you care about privacy, you can NOT use the Google GMail app to access
    your Google Account email.

    I use FairEmail, as I gave up on K9 before Mozilla took them over.

    *FairEmail*, privacy aware email by Marcel Bokhorst, FairCode BV, FOSS
    Free, ad free, gsf free, 4.6 star, 24.3K reviews, 500K+ Downloads
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.email>
    <https://email.faircode.eu/>
    <https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases>
    <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.email/>

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to Jesper on Tue Oct 29 10:26:08 2024
    On 28/10/2024 20:43, Jesper wrote:
    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Best regards

    I've been using Edison email for years.
    Sometimes just shows up in lists as 'Email'
    Good and reliable. Copes well with spam and also lists things like
    Travel arrangements, bills and receipts and packages ordered and despatched. Rates high with users.

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Qihe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 11:54:03 2024
    Andrews <[email protected]> ha scritto:
    ... Gmail app, the app UNILATERALLY (without
    asking you!) *creates* a Google Account on your Android phone.

    Worse, it uploads your contacts, again, WITHOUT ASKING YOU first.
    You can turn that off subsequently, but they ALREADY HAVE THEM by then.

    Thank you for writing it so loud and clear. Google (& others)
    actually manages my own contacts as their loot.
    This help hiding contacts from other apps (more or less): https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Contacts

    I use FairEmail, as I gave up on K9 before Mozilla took them over.

    Why? I wished Mozilla could add a Usenet newsreader on k-9. I like
    Thunderbird for this.

    *FairEmail*

    It is far more configurable than any other mail client and this is
    great but not easier than k-9 for lot of people.

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    Qihe

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  • From Andrews@21:1/5 to Qihe on Tue Oct 29 13:09:01 2024
    Qihe wrote on Tue, 29 Oct 2024 11:54:03 +0100 (GMT+01:00) :

    ... Gmail app, the app UNILATERALLY (without
    asking you!) *creates* a Google Account on your Android phone.

    Worse, it uploads your contacts, again, WITHOUT ASKING YOU first.
    You can turn that off subsequently, but they ALREADY HAVE THEM by then.


    Thank you for writing it so loud and clear. Google (& others)
    actually manages my own contacts as their loot.

    Given the most valuable thing about you is your location, and the second
    most valuable thing about you are all your friends & family (contacts),
    every app that has no need for your contacts wants to upload them anyway.

    I consider it rude of me to upload someone else's contact information.

    This help hiding contacts from other apps (more or less):

    I gave up on private contacts and now I don't use contacts so my contacts sqlite database is empty - actually - it was empty.

    Now my contacts sqlite database is just filled with fake contacts. https://f-droid.org/packages/me.billdietrich.fake_contacts/
    This way I'll instantly know when a program is sucking in the sqlite db.

    <https://github.com/BillDietrich/fake_contacts>
    <https://f-droid.org/packages/me.billdietrich.fake_contacts/>
    <https://archive.org/details/github.com-BillDietrich-fake_contacts_-_2021-01-31_19-04-27>
    <https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/me.billdietrich.fake_contacts?repo=main>

    I have many threads on private contacts, where I've tested these apps.
    These are the apps I'm testing out for contacts privacy.

    OpenContacts
    A different database for contacts to keep them private only to you.
    <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/opencontacts.open.com.opencontacts/>

    True Contacts
    "True contacts are good for Local Sync and all apps that create contacts accounts"
    <http://www.psencik.cz/true-contacts>
    <http://www.psencik.cz/file-cabinet/true-contacts-6.apk>
    The Google Play Store repository copy is deprecated by the developer
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.psencik.com.android.contacts>

    Private Contacts by 2Gusoft
    "Improve the privacy of your contacts by defining which should be shared
    with other apps and which should remain private (secret)."
    5K+ Downloads
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.abwesend.privatecontacts>

    Private Contacts by Blueline Studio
    50+ Downloads
    "Private Contacts isolates contacts from applications on your phone"
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ml.bluelinestudio.privatecontact>
    Private Contacts - Private Call & SMS on Windows Pc
    Private Contacts is a fantastic privacy protection app designed to
    hide your private contacts, messages and call logs on your phone.
    <https://apkpure.com/private-contacts-private-call-sms/hazar.studio.privatecontacts>
    <https://appsonwindows.com/apk/2426789/>
    <https://download.appsonwindows.com/download/hazar.studio.privatecontacts-v1.2.9-appsonwindows.com.apk>
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.abwesend.privatecontacts>

    Favorite Contacts
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.android.widgetapp.easymodecontactswidget>

    Contacts Storage
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.android.providers.contacts>

    Contacts
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.android.app.contacts>

    Contacts
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.goodwy.contacts>

    Contacts (extended simple mobile tools)
    <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.ritscher.simplemobiletools.contacts.pro/>

    Contacts (simple mobile tools)
    <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.simplemobiletools.contacts.pro/>
    <https://bytehamster.gitlab.io/fdroid-website/en/packages/com.simplemobiletools.contacts.pro/>
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplemobiletools.contacts.pro>

    https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Contacts

    Below are the links so only one person has to look them up,
    and then everyone else can just click on the results for that app.
    <https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Contacts>
    <https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Contacts/releases/tag/1.1.0>
    <https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Contacts/releases/download/1.1.0/contacts-3-foss-release.apk>
    Name: 20241029_github-contacts-3-foss-release.apk
    Size: 7905323 bytes (7720 KiB)
    SHA256: B19D5DA0705C3C0B93A7783E715FE1FB7C01E2D1ACA221E46AD19E22B2FEB43E

    Also:
    <https://www.fossify.org/>
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.fossify.contacts>
    <https://f-droid.org/packages/org.fossify.contacts/>
    <https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/org.fossify.contacts>

    I use FairEmail, as I gave up on K9 before Mozilla took them over.

    Why?

    Because FairEmail is built around privacy from a person whom I trust, and
    whom I've worked with to help get his OAuth2 working when Google screwed us
    for about 3 months when Google required 2FA/MFV until Google finally
    relented 3 months later and allows smaller developers to use OAuth2.

    I wished Mozilla could add a Usenet newsreader on k-9.

    Yup. There is no good Android Usenet newsreader, that's for sure.

    I like Thunderbird for this.

    To each his/her own as I hate Thunderbird's newsreader, which treats Usenet
    as if it's email without realizing Usenet is fundamentally different stuff.


    *FairEmail*

    It is far more configurable than any other mail client and this is
    great but not easier than k-9 for lot of people.

    I used K-9 for years until I switched to FairEmail but to each his/her own.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Jesper on Tue Oct 29 13:35:01 2024
    Jesper <[email protected]> wrote:
    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    I'm only a light e-mail user on my smartphone (mostly use my laptop)
    and use it mainly for checking e-mail while traveling.

    That said, I use:

    BlueMail
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.bluemail.mail>

    and

    K-9 Mail
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9>

    BlueMail is my main app and K-9 Mail is used as a backup.

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to Jesper on Tue Oct 29 16:12:40 2024
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:43:44 +0100, Jesper wrote:

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Another happy K-9 Mail user here. They're transforming it to Thunderbird
    for Android though. There's a beta available:

    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.thunderbird.android.beta>

    --
    s|b

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Tue Oct 29 13:59:14 2024
    Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

    BlueMail

    _BlueMail as startup program on Windows desktop_

    Before I try it on my Android phone, I wanted to test it on my Windows
    desktop PC where it is a UWP (Universal Windows Platform App), not a
    Win32 program (https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pmhzvm588p4). I've
    used other e-mail UWP apps on Windows, but found they had no startup
    option; i.e., have it load on Windows startup, and after login into a
    Windows account. For example, eM Client's UWP app (not their Win32
    program) won't load on startup. I had to remember to load it. I did
    figure out a way to use its AppID in a command line to add to the
    Startup folder, but that was a pain and undocumented versus the app's
    own config settings having an auto-startup option.

    For BlueMail's desktop app, I found:

    https://bluemail.me/help/disable-autostart/
    **On Desktop:** Go to Settings | Global Settings | Advanced Features |
    Launch app on system startup

    I can't find that BlueMail for Android runs a service or as a sticky app
    that has it load when I start my Android phone.

    While I typically leave my phone powered up 24x7 (and often on the
    charger), the phone has occasionally powered off, because the battery
    got too low, or I needed to restart the phone to diagnose an issue.
    When Android boots, is BlueMail going to load automatically?


    _BlueMail using EWS to access *free* MS account_

    Microsoft yanked EWS (Exchange Web Services) access to free MS accounts (Hotmail, Outlook.com, Live.com). They required an MS 365 subscription
    to get Exchange access (and you used an Exchange-capable client), or you
    had to use an MS client (Outlook on desktop or Android) to get EWS
    access to a free MS account. eM Client used to have EWS support for MS accounts, but got nailed when Microsoft yanked away EWS from free MS
    accounts, so they had to change to IMAP for e-mail, and ActiveSync for
    calendar and contacts.

    While BlueMail says they support Exchange/EWS, do they still work with
    free MS accounts? MS clients still work with EWS on free MS accounts,
    so somehow their server knows you are using an MS client to gain EWS
    access. I doubt the MS server will see BlueMail as an MS client.

    Microsoft announced they will discontinue EWS altogether sometime late
    2025, so clients using that access protocol will fail, or must be
    switched to using IMAP. They really want the money for an MS 365
    subscription.


    _BlueMail using Google Mail API_

    For Gmail accounts, and when using Gmail clients, they use Google's Mail
    API (Google's answer to Microsoft's Exchange). Claiming support of
    Gmail doesn't say if BlueMail is using the Mail API, or just plain old
    POP or IMAP that any other e-mail client can use.

    "It supports all major email protocols, including IMAP, SMTP, Exchange ActiveSync, EWS, and POP3" really does not say it support Google's Mail
    API (which requires a Google Project whose default quota is okay for
    personal use, but not for a client left running all day long issuing
    thousands of request commands by thousands of users, and upping the
    project's API quota costs money -- except, of course, to Google for its
    mail apps).

    IMAP PUSH is nice for quicker retrieval of new e-mails, but their Mail
    API is faster, and works on e-mail, calendar, and contacts instead of a frankenjob of IMAP, iCal, and iCard.

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  • From Charlie@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 15:12:42 2024
    W Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:12:40 +0100, s|b napisal:

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails anre coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Another happy K-9 Mail user here.

    Does the latest K-9 beta use OAuth2 or is it still stuck on 2FV/MSV?

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Charlie on Wed Oct 30 18:00:15 2024
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 15:12:42 -0600, Charlie wrote:

    Does the latest K-9 beta use OAuth2


    K-9 Mail added OAuth2 support back in 2022, over 2 years ago. <https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/08/k-9-mail-future-thunderbird-for-android-adds-oauth-2-0-support/>


    How to STFW:
    * DDG: <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=K-9+mail+oauth2>
    * Google: <https://www.google.com/search?q=K-9+mail+oauth2>
    * Bing: <https://www.bing.com/search?q=K-9+mail+oauth2>


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊️

    Some seeking to hide a scape with a cough, render themselves doubly ridiculous.

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 09:24:59 2024
    On 29/10/2024 15:12, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:43:44 +0100, Jesper wrote:

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Another happy K-9 Mail user here. They're transforming it to Thunderbird
    for Android though. There's a beta available:

    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.thunderbird.android.beta>

    And it's working fine for me - so far :)

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Wed Oct 30 10:47:32 2024
    VanguardLH <[email protected]> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

    BlueMail

    _BlueMail as startup program on Windows desktop_
    [...]
    I can't find that BlueMail for Android runs a service or as a sticky app
    that has it load when I start my Android phone.

    While I typically leave my phone powered up 24x7 (and often on the
    charger), the phone has occasionally powered off, because the battery
    got too low, or I needed to restart the phone to diagnose an issue.
    When Android boots, is BlueMail going to load automatically?

    I don't know. As I wrote, for me e-mail on my phone is only for
    occasional use, checking for e-mail. I don't need/want instant
    notification.

    That said, I think it can give instant/quick notification, i.e. "load automatically", because in 'Account settings' under Notifications, you
    can select 'Push Options' 'Direct Push' and 'Period Fetch' and their 'Notifications Tips' (under three dots in upper right) doesn't say
    anything about the need to manually start BlueMail first.

    [...]

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 11:41:07 2024
    Charlie, 2024-10-29 22:12:

    W Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:12:40 +0100, s|b napisal:

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails anre coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple >>> ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Another happy K-9 Mail user here.

    Does the latest K-9 beta use OAuth2 or is it still stuck on 2FV/MSV?

    K-9 does now support OAuth2 even in the regular version. This is one of
    the outcomes of the cooperation with Mozilla to provide K-9 also branded
    as "Thunderbird for Android".


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Wed Oct 30 07:19:44 2024
    On 30.10.24 05:24, Jim the Geordie wrote:
    On 29/10/2024 15:12, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:43:44 +0100, Jesper wrote:

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Another happy K-9 Mail user here. They're transforming it to Thunderbird
    for Android though. There's a beta available:

    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.thunderbird.android.beta> >>
    And it's working fine for me - so far :)

    It is 99% K-9.


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  • From Charlie@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Wed Oct 30 07:16:18 2024
    On this Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:41:07 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:

    Does the latest K-9 beta use OAuth2 or is it still stuck on 2FV/MSV?

    K-9 does now support OAuth2 even in the regular version. This is one of
    the outcomes of the cooperation with Mozilla to provide K-9 also branded
    as "Thunderbird for Android".

    Thanks. The reason I left K9 in May of 22 was Google (temporarily, it turns out) insisted all Android MUAs switch to 2FV but at the time, Christian Ketterer (the main K-9 developer) didn't have the resources alone.

    So cketti worked with Mozilla developers to find an OAuth solution by the 8
    of July when most other MUAs were still scrambling to recover.

    It seems the Thunderbird team assisted the K-9 team in implementing the
    OAUth2 magic strings. That effort was apparently the major impetus to have Christian join Mozilla since Google can kill any small MUA outfit in a
    flash.

    When it happened, I didn't feel like switching back so I forgot about this. Thanks for reminding me.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Oct 30 14:23:53 2024
    On 2024-10-30 11:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    VanguardLH <[email protected]> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

    BlueMail

    _BlueMail as startup program on Windows desktop_
    [...]
    I can't find that BlueMail for Android runs a service or as a sticky app
    that has it load when I start my Android phone.

    While I typically leave my phone powered up 24x7 (and often on the
    charger), the phone has occasionally powered off, because the battery
    got too low, or I needed to restart the phone to diagnose an issue.
    When Android boots, is BlueMail going to load automatically?

    I don't know. As I wrote, for me e-mail on my phone is only for
    occasional use, checking for e-mail. I don't need/want instant
    notification.

    I need email if I want to go to the cinema.

    If I buy the ticket online, on the computer, they send it to my email.
    The easiest way to collect the ticket on my phone is to have email setup
    in there. Alternative is to plug the usb cable and transfer the PDF,
    when there is one.

    I need email to collect goods from an Amazon locker or point.

    They send an email with a barcode that opens the locker. Sure, I can
    print the email at home and use that instead of the phone, but using the
    phone is cheaper and just more convenient.


    It is not about instant notification. As a matter of fact, I disabled
    automatic polling in K-9 to conserve battery.



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Wed Oct 30 09:32:43 2024
    On 30.10.24 09:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I need email if I want to go to the cinema.

    If I buy the ticket online, on the computer, they send it to my email.
    The easiest way to collect the ticket on my phone is to have email setup
    in there. Alternative is to plug the usb cable and transfer the PDF,
    when there is one.

    I need email to collect goods from an Amazon locker or point.

    They send an email with a barcode that opens the locker. Sure, I can
    print the email at home and use that instead of the phone, but using the phone is cheaper and just more convenient.


    It is not about instant notification. As a matter of fact, I disabled automatic polling in K-9 to conserve battery.

    I agree that energy consumption of e-mail polling is underestimated and
    in particular of the push-function.

    My mail on my phones has a polling frequency of 60 minutes and push
    turned off deliberately.


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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 14:59:02 2024
    On 2024-10-30 14:32, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 30.10.24 09:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I need email if I want to go to the cinema.

    If I buy the ticket online, on the computer, they send it to my email.
    The easiest way to collect the ticket on my phone is to have email setup
    in there. Alternative is to plug the usb cable and transfer the PDF,
    when there is one.

    I need email to collect goods from an Amazon locker or point.

    They send an email with a barcode that opens the locker. Sure, I can
    print the email at home and use that instead of the phone, but using the
    phone is cheaper and just more convenient.


    It is not about instant notification. As a matter of fact, I disabled
    automatic polling in K-9 to conserve battery.

    I agree that energy consumption of e-mail polling is underestimated and
    in particular of the push-function.

    My mail on my phones has a polling frequency of 60 minutes and push
    turned off deliberately.

    On the other hand, the gmail app with default settings and a single
    gmail account doesn't seem to impact battery usage. I noticed the
    problem with K-9, with a non google imap account and default settings.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Wed Oct 30 20:11:11 2024
    The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10/28/24 3:42 PM, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
    On 28.10.24 15:43, Jesper wrote:
    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Open Source: K-9. I use it on my Pixels for years.

    I've used Blue Mail for years on Motorola and Pixel phones. I chose it rather than K-9 because at the time I did not want 'push' mail and
    apparently that was K-9's only option.

    That must have been a long time ago. My K-9 Mail is at least two and a
    half years old - version 6.000 - and I've set the 'Fetching mail' poll frequency to Never, for both POP3 and IMAP. Other poll frequencies are
    from Every 15 minutes to Every 24 hours. Never and Every 24 hours aren't
    really 'pushy' are they!> :-)

    My computer is my main email source; I only want it on my phone when I
    am (rarely) away from home for any length of time.

    (As I mentioned before,) Same here.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Wed Oct 30 19:14:40 2024
    On 30.10.24 15:30, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 10/28/24 3:42 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 28.10.24 15:43, Jesper wrote:
    Hi

    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of the
    mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for a simple
    ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not have to be
    free, but free from ads and malware.

    Open Source: K-9. I use it on my Pixels for years.

    I've used Blue Mail for years on Motorola and Pixel phones. I chose it rather than K-9 because at the time I did not want 'push' mail and
    apparently that was K-9's only option.

    This is not correct AFAIR. I never used Push on mobiles.

    My computer is my main email source; I only want it on my phone when I
    am (rarely) away from home for any length of time.

    +1



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Wed Oct 30 19:16:38 2024
    On 30.10.24 09:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2024-10-30 14:32, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 30.10.24 09:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I need email if I want to go to the cinema.

    If I buy the ticket online, on the computer, they send it to my email.
    The easiest way to collect the ticket on my phone is to have email setup >>> in there. Alternative is to plug the usb cable and transfer the PDF,
    when there is one.

    I need email to collect goods from an Amazon locker or point.

    They send an email with a barcode that opens the locker. Sure, I can
    print the email at home and use that instead of the phone, but using the >>> phone is cheaper and just more convenient.


    It is not about instant notification. As a matter of fact, I disabled
    automatic polling in K-9 to conserve battery.

    I agree that energy consumption of e-mail polling is underestimated and
    in particular of the push-function.

    My mail on my phones has a polling frequency of 60 minutes and push
    turned off deliberately.

    On the other hand, the gmail app with default settings and a single
    gmail account doesn't seem to impact battery usage. I noticed the
    problem with K-9, with a non google imap account and default settings.

    I did not go into this issue deep enough. I just checked energy
    consumption on a per app basis.


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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Thu Oct 31 20:48:15 2024
    On 2024-10-31 04:25, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 10/30/24 1:11 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 10/28/24 3:42 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 28.10.24 15:43, Jesper wrote:
    Hi
    My 2 newest android phones both use a standard Gmail-ap that is
    unreliable getting mail from one of my accounts. Less than half of
    the >> mails are coming in. So I would like to get recomandations for
    a simple >> ap without ads, that can handle 3-4 accounts. It does not
    have to be >> free, but free from ads and malware.
    Open Source: K-9. I use it on my Pixels for years.

    I've used Blue Mail for years on Motorola and Pixel phones.  I chose
    it rather than K-9 because at the time I did not want 'push' mail and
    apparently that was K-9's only option.

       That must have been a long time ago. My K-9 Mail is at least two and a >> half years old - version 6.000 - and I've set the 'Fetching mail' poll
    frequency to Never, for both POP3 and IMAP. Other poll frequencies are
    from Every 15 minutes to Every 24 hours. Never and Every 24 hours aren't
    really 'pushy' are they!> :-)

    I only want to get it when I click 'refresh'.  The gmail app didn't like working that way, and neither did K-9 at least 9 years ago.  I've had
    the Pixel for 3 years and I'm guessing I had the 2 Motorolas and 1 BLU
    for 2 years each.

    That's how I have my K-9. Slide down to refresh. Since I started to use
    it, which I don't remember when that was.


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    Cheers, Carlos.

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