• iOS 18 and RCS

    From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 21 10:54:26 2024
    As far as I know iPhones all upgrade to the latest iOS as soon as it's released.

    So should they all have v18 now, and be capable of RCS chats (minus encryption)? None of my contacts who I know use Apple are showing up as
    RCS capable in Google Messages ...

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  • From Dave Royal@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Sep 21 12:17:23 2024
    Andy Burns <[email protected]> Wrote in message:

    As far as I know iPhones all upgrade to the latest iOS as soon as it's released.

    So should they all have v18 now, and be capable of RCS chats (minus encryption)? None of my contacts who I know use Apple are showing up as
    RCS capable in Google Messages ...

    My wife has an iphone 14 which is 'up to date' on ios 17.7
    She could opt for ios 18, if she knew and cared, but it's not
    automatic - yet. My iphone 8 runs ios 16.7.10. It probably won't
    get 17.
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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Sep 21 14:53:48 2024
    Andy Burns wrote on Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:54:26 +0100 :

    As far as I know iPhones all upgrade to the latest iOS as soon as it's released.

    Based on the atrociously primitive and horrendously inept update mechanism, almost everyone who uses iOS holds off on updating the operating system.

    I have more Apple devices than Android so, not surprisingly, I know how it works, where you've already been told wrong things - but they're not far
    off. To be clear, Dave Royal was correct but Chris was slightly wrong.

    In iOS Settings > General is an option for "Automatic Updates" which can be
    set to On/Off and if set to on, it can be further set to just "Download iOS Updates" or to "Install iOS Updates" and since iOS 16, there's a further
    option to install RSR's (which moved iOS, finally, into the modern world).

    One of the main reasons an iPhone is the most exploited mobile device is because up until iOS 16, Apple had to build an entire iOS release every
    single time any change was made (even a single line or letter of code!).

    This idiotic release mechanism was absurd it caused Apple to delay releases
    to the point that even today, no mobile device is more exploited than iOS.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    In addition, historically the iPhone slows down to the point of
    unusability, sometimes for days, after a typical iOS release.

    Worse, a lot of iOS releases are rushed affairs (see above reason why), so
    most iOS owners have learned to hold off for as long as possible on
    updates.

    It gets worse (way worse, such as Apple is the only common operating system supplier who only fully supports a single release, which is iOS 18 now),
    which means that iOS 17 is definitely no longer fully supported by Apple.

    So should they all have v18 now, and be capable of RCS chats (minus encryption)? None of my contacts who I know use Apple are showing up as
    RCS capable in Google Messages ...

    As you must be aware, Apple does the least it possibly can do to support
    RCS (where their own executives were deposed in the Epic case when their
    emails showed that to be the case) - but the EU forced Apple's hand.

    Even so, Apple didn't really implement the full RCS feature set, as you are likely well aware - but did they implement enough for your free MMS use?

    *Apple's Update Decision-Bad News Confirmed For Millions Of iPhone Users* <https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/09/17/apples-ios-18-update-new-warning-for-millions-of-iphone-15-iphone-16-users/

    'As hundreds of millions of iPhone users update their devices
    to iOS 18, tinting their home screens and navigating their
    new Photos app, the reality is that this update is more
    about what's missing than what has been released.

    No Apple Intelligence-at least not yet, and another gaping
    omission that has also been confirmed.

    This bad news impacts RCS-the biggest non-AI update coming
    with iOS 18, that brings rich messaging features to stock
    iPhone-to-Android messaging for the first time, but which
    The Washington Post warns, leaves "chats with Android friends
    still [with] security and other compromises that Apple
    could have avoided."

    But the more serious issue is hidden from sight.

    "In some important ways," The Post says, "Apple's messaging app
    remains stuck in the flip-phone era, which undermines everyone's
    message security." The version of RCS Apple is using is not encrypted.'

    Notice above how little of RCS Apple implemented, but I wonder, Andy, if
    Apple implemented "enough" of RCS to get you the free MMS that you seek?

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Dave Royal on Sat Sep 21 14:54:57 2024
    Dave Royal wrote on Sat, 21 Sep 2024 12:17:23 +0100 (GMT+01:00) :

    Andy Burns <[email protected]> Wrote in message:

    As far as I know iPhones all upgrade to the latest iOS as soon as it's
    released.

    So should they all have v18 now, and be capable of RCS chats (minus
    encryption)? None of my contacts who I know use Apple are showing up as
    RCS capable in Google Messages ...

    My wife has an iphone 14 which is 'up to date' on ios 17.7
    She could opt for ios 18, if she knew and cared, but it's not
    automatic - yet. My iphone 8 runs ios 16.7.10. It probably won't
    get 17.

    The main reason iOS always has far more zero-day holes than Android and why
    iOS is the most exploited mobile operating system on the planet is that
    Apple only fully supports one release & one release only. Just one release.
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    So anyone who is stuck with a phone older than the iPhone XS may as well
    throw it over the next bridge because it's already jam packed with bugs.

    Bugs which Apple will never fix.

    *Which iPhone models will get iOS 18*
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/every-iphone-model-that-can-be-updated-to-apples-new-ios-18-public-beta-and-which-ones-cant/>
    iPhone 15
    iPhone 15 Plus
    iPhone 15 Pro
    iPhone 15 Pro Max
    iPhone 14
    iPhone 14 Plus
    iPhone 14 Pro
    iPhone 14 Pro Max
    iPhone 13
    iPhone 13 mini
    iPhone 13 Pro
    iPhone 13 Pro Max
    iPhone 12
    iPhone 12 mini
    iPhone 12 Pro
    iPhone 12 Pro Max
    iPhone 11
    iPhone 11 Pro
    iPhone 11 Pro Max
    iPhone XS
    iPhone XS Max
    iPhone XR
    iPhone SE (2nd generation or later)

    But even for the few iPhones that are fully supported with iOS 18, there is some bad news because of how nasty Apple is to their own customer base.

    In addition, because Apple mocks the EU by waiting until the very last
    moment to implement customer-focused interoperability, the EU finally got
    fed up & started mandating that Apple begin to care about their customers.
    <https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/the-eu-gives-apple-six-months-to-make-cross-device-interoperability-easier-140030456.html>

    This is because Apple has purposefully withheld new features from European users, including Apple Intelligence, iPhone Mirroring on the Mac and
    SharePlay Screen Sharing.

    As a result of Apple's anti-consumer stance, the European Commission will
    tell Apple the measures it has to take for cross-device interoperability
    and the EU says that Apple is expected to follow their rules this time.
    <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-19/apple-faces-eu-warning-to-open-up-iphone-operating-system>

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Sep 21 08:30:22 2024
    On 2024-09-21 02:54, Andy Burns wrote:
    As far as I know iPhones all upgrade to the latest iOS as soon as it's released.

    Why would you ever think that?


    So should they all have v18 now, and be capable of RCS chats (minus encryption)?  None of my contacts who I know use Apple are showing up as
     RCS capable in Google Messages ...

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Sep 21 18:34:30 2024
    On 21.09.24 11:54, Andy Burns wrote:
    As far as I know iPhones all upgrade to the latest iOS as soon as it's released.

    So should they all have v18 now, and be capable of RCS chats (minus encryption)? None of my contacts who I know use Apple are showing up as
    RCS capable in Google Messages ...

    Doesn't work here either.
    But I do not care at all.

    --
    "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Sep 22 14:21:11 2024
    Chris wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:
    As far as I know iPhones all upgrade to the latest iOS as soon as it's
    released.

    You know wrong. All compatible iphones are prompted to upgrade. It's up to users to decide when.
    I know next to nothing about Apple.

    Anyway, it seems users will have to enable RCS in order to use it,
    because why not protect the green bubble walled-garden?

    <https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-enable-rcs-messaging-on-iphone-to-text-android-users-3482571/#2>

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Sep 23 03:13:39 2024
    Andy Burns wrote on Sun, 22 Sep 2024 14:21:11 +0100 :

    I know next to nothing about Apple.

    I know Apple but I know next to nothing (actually, nothing) of RCS.

    Anyway, it seems users will have to enable RCS in order to use it,
    because why not protect the green bubble walled-garden? <https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-enable-rcs-messaging-on-iphone-to-text-android-users-3482571/#2>

    Andy,

    Can you help me understand RCS based on the last sentence in that link?

    "Apple warns that user identifiers are exchanged for your carrier
    and their partners to authenticate your device and provide a
    connection for RCS messaging. "These identifiers could include
    but are not limited to your IMEI, IMSI, current IP address,
    and phone number. Your current IP address might also be shared
    with other RCS users," the company notes."

    It's long known that Apple murdered privacy (in other areas) but is this sentence above about your loss of privacy only applicable to Apple's RCS?

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