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The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones
all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead
to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

The ban would take effect in January after details are approved in a future meeting by the Board of Education, with the goal of enforcing it across a student’s entire time at school, including lunch and other breaks.

“Our students are glued to their cellphones, not unlike adults,” said board member Nick Melvoin, who spearheaded the resolution. “They’re surreptitiously scrolling in school, in class time, or have their head in
their hands, walking down the hallways. They’re not talking to each other or playing at lunch or recess because they have their AirPods in.”

The board action adds momentum to growing campaigns in California to
restrict or eliminate cellphone use at schools amid reports about how the devices, coupled with the use of social media, coincide with skyrocketing anxiety and other harms to children.

State leaders are moving in the same direction as L.A. Unified.

California Assembly Bill 3216, introduced in February, would require school districts to adopt a policy to limit or prohibit student use of smartphones while at school or under the supervision of a school employee. The law would
go into effect July 1, 2026.

The measure has the support of Gov. Gavin Newsom.

On Monday, U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy asserted that social media use
has become so prevalent and potentially damaging among young people that Congress should require warning labels on the online platforms, similar to those found on cigarette boxes.

“As the Surgeon General affirmed, social media is harming the mental health of our youth,” Newsom said in a statement to The Times. “I look forward to working with the Legislature to restrict the use of smartphones during the school day. When children and teens are in school, they should be focused on their studies — not their screens.”

The Los Angeles Board of Education, at the suggestion of Supt. Alberto Carvalho, agreed to expand the resolution in an additional direction by targeting social media companies for potential litigation.

“I believe now’s the time for Los Angeles Unified to take a legal position,”
Carvalho said, “that may include litigation against these powerful giant social media entities, who, for profit, are engaging in predatory behaviors
and actions to capture the attention that will eventually victimize kids through a well-documented decaying of their mental health.”

The board resolution passed by a 5-2 vote.

All the board members expressed concerns over the harms of cellphone use and social media on students — as well as concerns that any ban should be
carried out with full consideration of student and family needs.

Board President Jackie Goldberg, who co-sponsored the resolution, recounted
a recent visit to a high school where she sat down with students sitting together at a table during lunch.

“I thought we could have a chance just to informally talk,” Goldberg recounted. “All of them took out their cellphones.”

That was only the first surprise.

“I thought they were contacting other people,” Goldberg said. “They were talking to each other on their cellphones, rather than with their voices and their mouths. ... This is an addiction that is serious.”

Another board co-sponsor, Tanya Ortiz Franklin, said her student advisory council has raised valid concerns.

“We’ve seen in classrooms sometimes kids will forget their Chromebook, and they’ll hop on their iPhone instead,” Franklin said. “So we need to make sure we’ve got plenty of Chromebooks so that students are not relying on their personal iPhones to access school materials.

“The other thing I thought was interesting from [student] leaders is that they use text messaging to communicate about clubs and teams and events they’re planning and things that need to change last minute,” Franklin said.
“It made me wonder if there were an app that could be on their Chromebooks —
where they could be texting and communicating” with appropriate supervision.

Board member George McKenna voted no over concerns about the totality of the ban, although he said he was open to ongoing discussion of the matter.

He said it was important to respect student ownership over something that
was important to them, especially for students from low-income families. He recalled that years ago, when he was a principal, students would be
devastated at the thought of parting with the boomboxes they carried around.

He also wondered if a civil rights lawsuit would be launched over the
matter.

Board member Rocio Rivas voted yes, but also was concerned that a cellphone
ban be carried out equitably, respecting the different life situations of families.

Melvoin said the conversation has evolved from making sure that all have
access to technology to making sure that students are protected from it.

“Some of the most expensive schools in the city and in this country have [had] phone-free policies in place for years because they’ve seen those effects,” Melvoin said.

Board member Scott Schmerelson voted no because he said it was important to make a distinction between instructional time and noninstructional time.

Elements to be worked out include different approaches for various age
groups and a range of technologies, such as smartwatches.

Board member Kelly Gonez, who voted yes, noted that recent immigrants use smartphones for translation. Such allowances would need to be considered,
she said.

Options to carry out the ban under consideration include providing cellphone lockers or pouches that keep devices locked up and inaccessible until
they’re tapped against a magnetic device when exiting campus. Technology
also could be used to block access to social media platforms.

Some parents, however, want their children to have cellphones for safety and communication, and school administrators say the ban could be difficult to enforce.

Supporters who spoke Tuesday included a district middle school principal who said such a ban has improved the learning environment at his campus.

Also endorsing the resolution was Venice High math teacher Jessica Quindel,
who likened the struggle to manage cellphone use to a draining, nonstop marathon.

She joined Venice High School’s Phone Free-er Focus Group, a group of 10 teachers who successfully pushed the school staff toward setting up the
campus as a largely phone-free zone.

“Enforcement is the hardest thing because there is not enough staff to constantly take away phones and call home,” she said. A clear districtwide policy would help, she added.

Student objections to a ban are anticipated.

“Very furious,” is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency situations and to maintain access to family, she said.


At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide only QR codes, for which “you can’t use your laptop.”

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

Rising Reseda High senior Neel Thakkar, 16, is receptive to the ban.

He recalled struggling to focus on studying for Advanced Placement exams because he was “addicted to Instagram” and couldn’t “stop picking up [his]
phone ... even for two seconds.”

He deleted the app from his phone because he “had to get off of it.”

“It was very hard at first,” he said.

In comments to the Board of Education, he suggested the district create a platform in which students can voice their concerns and opinions about this policy.

The teachers union — United Teachers Los Angeles — took a wait-and-see approach.

“UTLA looks forward to understanding how the proposed cellphone policy will differ from the current one,” said union Vice President Alex Orozco. “More importantly, we want to know how all stakeholders will be included in the decision-making.”

The board resolution cited research in line with the policy, including a national survey on drug use and health by the Substance Abuse and Mental
Health Services Administration that found that among those born after 1995, anxiety increased 139% from 2010 to 2020, coinciding with the rise in smartphones and social media.

In addition to his support for warning labels, Surgeon General Murthy wrote
in a 2023 advisory that social media may be linked to a growing mental
health crisis among teens.

The language added to the resolution builds on such concerns:

“The District shall also evaluate the impact of social media use by young people, including on their mental health, to formulate a strategy that contemplates — but is not restricted to — litigation against social media entities that operate platforms that use algorithms that appeal to students
who develop addiction to such platforms with well documented mental and physical deleterious consequences to youth.”

The teachers union — United Teachers Los Angeles — took a wait-and-see approach.

“UTLA looks forward to understanding how the proposed cellphone policy will differ from the current one,” said union Vice President Alex Orozco. “More importantly, we want to know how all stakeholders will be included in the decision-making.”

The board resolution cited research in line with the policy, including a national survey on drug use and health by the Substance Abuse and Mental
Health Services Administration that found that among those born after 1995, anxiety increased 139% from 2010 to 2020, coinciding with the rise in smartphones and social media.

In addition to his support for warning labels, Surgeon General Murthy wrote
in a 2023 advisory that social media may be linked to a growing mental
health crisis among teens.

The language added to the resolution builds on such concerns:

“The District shall also evaluate the impact of social media use by young people, including on their mental health, to formulate a strategy that contemplates — but is not restricted to — litigation against social media entities that operate platforms that use algorithms that appeal to students
who develop addiction to such platforms with well documented mental and physical deleterious consequences to youth.”

The district resolution also cites a 2016 Common Sense Media survey that
found half of teens feel “addicted” to their phones. A 2023 study of 200 students by the same group found that 97% of 11- to 17-year-olds used their phones during the school day.

The resolution states too that there is evidence that “limiting cellphone usage and social media access during the school day increases academic performance and has positive effects on student mental health.”

L.A. Unified already has a social media policy in place that embodies many elements of what Melvoin is pushing for. This policy sets out that “approved social media is to be used at school for educational purposes only and under the direction of a teacher or school leader. Home use of social media on district or personal electronic devices is limited to only sites approved by the district’s web filtering system.”

District policies in this area have not been fully updated since 2011 and enforcement has been sporadic as smartphones have become commonplace.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-18/lausd-board-approved- strict-cell-phone-ban

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On 6/19/24 05:09, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-18/lausd-board-approved- strict-cell-phone-ban

About time, now let's get them disabled whenever/wherever their use is
or could be dangerous.

All species of mobile phones, media devices, Bluetooth or not, and
onboard presentation systems beyond what is essential for vehicle
control should automatically disable themselves within 10 meters of any
vehicle in motion at any speed. Hands-Free does NOT mean Brain-Free. In
the case of approaching vehicles (pedestrian use included) that distance
should be multiplied (prorated) for every 5 km/h of CLOSURE speed (i.e.
no such device should be operable within 200 meters of any vehicle
approaching at 100 km/h). Manufacturers of devices in which such an
automatic lockout feature is missing or can be disabled should first pay
large fines and then be barred from the jurisdiction market. With
respect to other road-hog conduct, in addition to intoxication or attention-diverting use of lethal-technology while driving,
brake-checking and tailgating should also be HANGING crimes. Any
irresponsible vehicle handling should in fact be punished exactly as it
would be in the case of irresponsible weapons handling (which ALSO needs
to be beefed up).

Next time anyone uses the phone while driving or walking, try this
simple little test right after hanging up: see how many details you
remember of where you were and what you saw while phoning!

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On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

“Very furious,” is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency situations and to maintain access to family, she said.

At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide only QR codes, for which “you can’t use your laptop.”

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
other schools and many may now follow.

Never had reason to have access to family during the school day. Kids
have to learn to be independent and think for themselves and no call
mommy every 20 minutes.

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On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:03:29 -0400, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones >> all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead >> to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

�Very furious,� is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in
Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
situations and to maintain access to family, she said.


At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as
applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide >> only QR codes, for which �you can�t use your laptop.�

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
other schools and many may now follow.

Never had reason to have access to family during the school day. Kids
have to learn to be independent and think for themselves and no call
mommy every 20 minutes.

There can be legitimate reasons for parents to contact their kids while they're in school, but they can do it the same way it was done for the many decades before everyone had a cellphone. Just call the school office and ask someone to deliver a message to the kid.

Likewise, kids may need to contact a parent, but if it's legitimate they can ask
a school employee to make the call.

Bottom line, I'd be in favor of banning student cellphone use during school hours.

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On 2024-06-19 05:49, bad sector wrote:

On 6/19/24 05:09, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban
cellphones
all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning,
lead
to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-18/lausd-board-approved-
strict-cell-phone-ban

About time, now let's get them disabled whenever/wherever their use is
or could be dangerous.

All species of mobile phones, ...

There's a rocker missing its occupant somewhere.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 2024-06-19 10:06, Jim Joyce wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

Per other countries, takes the kids less than a week to adapt.

Heck, it's almost like growing up a little.

There can be legitimate reasons for parents to contact their kids while they're
in school, but they can do it the same way it was done for the many decades before everyone had a cellphone. Just call the school office and ask someone to
deliver a message to the kid.

Even back in the 70's our primary school office could intercom the class
when a parent called.
"Please send Jimmy to the office."
Teacher wouldn't do anything - Jimmy would just go.

--
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On 6/19/2024 2:49 AM, bad sector wrote:

On 6/19/24 05:09, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban
cellphones
all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning,
lead
to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-18/lausd-board-approved-
strict-cell-phone-ban

About time, now let's get them disabled whenever/wherever their use is
or could be dangerous.

All species of mobile phones, media devices, Bluetooth or not, and
onboard presentation systems beyond what is essential for vehicle
control should automatically disable themselves within 10 meters of any vehicle in motion at any speed. Hands-Free does NOT mean Brain-Free. In
the case of approaching vehicles (pedestrian use included) that distance should be multiplied (prorated) for every 5 km/h of CLOSURE speed (i.e.
no such device should be operable within 200 meters of any vehicle approaching at 100 km/h). Manufacturers of devices in which such an
automatic lockout feature is missing or can be disabled should first pay large fines and then be barred from the jurisdiction market. With
respect to other road-hog conduct, in addition to intoxication or attention-diverting use of lethal-technology while driving,
brake-checking and tailgating should also be HANGING crimes. Any irresponsible vehicle handling should in fact be punished exactly as it
would be in the case of irresponsible weapons handling (which ALSO needs
to be beefed up).

Next time anyone uses the phone while driving or walking, try this
simple little test right after hanging up: see how many details you
remember of where you were and what you saw while phoning!

Get rid of all touch screen controls in autos too. There are morons in
the drivers seat rolling down the road at 70 MPH playing with them and
their phones at the same time.

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On 6/19/2024 7:06 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:03:29 -0400, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones >>> all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead >>> to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.


“Very furious,” is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in
Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
situations and to maintain access to family, she said.


At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as >>> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide
only QR codes, for which “you can’t use your laptop.”

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
other schools and many may now follow.

She sure can. That's why they have online portals for it.

Never had reason to have access to family during the school day. Kids
have to learn to be independent and think for themselves and no call
mommy every 20 minutes.

Instant gratification and antisocial behavior. That's what smart phones enable.

There can be legitimate reasons for parents to contact their kids while they're
in school, but they can do it the same way it was done for the many decades before everyone had a cellphone. Just call the school office and ask someone to
deliver a message to the kid.

Likewise, kids may need to contact a parent, but if it's legitimate they can ask
a school employee to make the call.

Bottom line, I'd be in favor of banning student cellphone use during school hours.

Agree x3.

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On 6/19/24 14:10, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-19 05:49, bad sector wrote:

On 6/19/24 05:09, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban
cellphones
all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from
learning, lead
to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-18/lausd-board-approved- >>> strict-cell-phone-ban

About time, now let's get them disabled whenever/wherever their use is
or could be dangerous.

All species of mobile phones, ...

There's a rocker missing its occupant somewhere.

No like, no read; it's actually an attempt to 'acomodate' without
complete interdiction in cars.

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On 6/19/24 14:16, marc wrote:

On 6/19/2024 2:49 AM, bad sector wrote:

On 6/19/24 05:09, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban
cellphones
all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from
learning, lead
to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-18/lausd-board-approved- >>> strict-cell-phone-ban

About time, now let's get them disabled whenever/wherever their use is
or could be dangerous.

All species of mobile phones, media devices, Bluetooth or not, and
onboard presentation systems beyond what is essential for vehicle
control should automatically disable themselves within 10 meters of
any vehicle in motion at any speed. Hands-Free does NOT mean
Brain-Free. In the case of approaching vehicles (pedestrian use
included) that distance should be multiplied (prorated) for every 5
km/h of CLOSURE speed (i.e. no such device should be operable within
200 meters of any vehicle approaching at 100 km/h). Manufacturers of
devices in which such an automatic lockout feature is missing or can
be disabled should first pay large fines and then be barred from the
jurisdiction market. With respect to other road-hog conduct, in
addition to intoxication or attention-diverting use of
lethal-technology while driving, brake-checking and tailgating should
also be HANGING crimes. Any irresponsible vehicle handling should in
fact be punished exactly as it would be in the case of irresponsible
weapons handling (which ALSO needs to be beefed up).

Next time anyone uses the phone while driving or walking, try this
simple little test right after hanging up: see how many details you
remember of where you were and what you saw while phoning!

Get rid of all touch screen controls in autos too.  There are morons in
the drivers seat rolling down the road at 70 MPH playing with them and
their phones at the same time.

70? How about 140 km/h entering a bend? One of them Darwin recipients
almost took me out that way a few years ago and THAT fixed MY attitude
for the rest of my driving days. If it were up to me I'd carry body-bags
in the trunk for them.

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On 6/19/24 10:06, Jim Joyce wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:03:29 -0400, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones >>> all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead >>> to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

“Very furious,” is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in
Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
situations and to maintain access to family, she said.

At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as >>> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide
only QR codes, for which “you can’t use your laptop.”

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
other schools and many may now follow.

Never had reason to have access to family during the school day. Kids
have to learn to be independent and think for themselves and no call
mommy every 20 minutes.

There can be legitimate reasons for parents to contact their kids while they're
in school, but they can do it the same way it was done for the many decades before everyone had a cellphone. Just call the school office and ask someone to
deliver a message to the kid.

Likewise, kids may need to contact a parent, but if it's legitimate they can ask
a school employee to make the call.

Bottom line, I'd be in favor of banning student cellphone use during school hours.

I agree with a total ban, and not just use either, you leave it at home
or you hand it in entering the main door. Jamming would just encourage
kids to skip a class to make a few calls. All the rationalizing is
superfluous, parents, teachers i.e. the entire pedagogical community
need no justification, it isn't about being right or wrong, the same
principle of *administrative prerogative* that rules democracy also
applies here, period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S5q4bF6lac

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On 2024-06-19 15:14, bad sector wrote:

On 6/19/24 14:10, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-19 05:49, bad sector wrote:

On 6/19/24 05:09, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban
cellphones
all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from
learning, lead
to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-18/lausd-board-approved- >>>> strict-cell-phone-ban

About time, now let's get them disabled whenever/wherever their use
is or could be dangerous.

All species of mobile phones, ...

There's a rocker missing its occupant somewhere.

No like

Re-read your post - and think of the phrase "over the top".


--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 2024-06-19 14:46, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/19/24 11:14 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-19 10:06, Jim Joyce wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

Per other countries, takes the kids less than a week to adapt.

Heck, it's almost like growing up a little.

There can be legitimate reasons for parents to contact their kids
while they're
in school, but they can do it the same way it was done for the many
decades
before everyone had a cellphone. Just call the school office and ask
someone to
deliver a message to the kid.

Even back in the 70's our primary school office could intercom the class
when a parent called.
"Please send Jimmy to the office."
Teacher wouldn't do anything - Jimmy would just go.

Each school could install jammers.

Illegal.


--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:06:42 -0500, Jim Joyce <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:03:29 -0400, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones >>> all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead >>> to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.


�Very furious,� is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in >>> Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
situations and to maintain access to family, she said.


At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as >>> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide
only QR codes, for which �you can�t use your laptop.�

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
other schools and many may now follow.

Never had reason to have access to family during the school day. Kids
have to learn to be independent and think for themselves and no call
mommy every 20 minutes.

I never even thought to call home when I was at school. Why?

The only time anyone ever had to contact my mother was when I broke my
leg, but that was on the *way* to school, and we lived 50 yards away and
I could have told them where we lived, in fact I probably did after I
was quickly taken to the hospital. .

This brings up another unrelated but current issue. I jumped off a 10'
wall belonging to a church on my way to school. I'd done it the
previous day too, but this time the bottom of my leg hit a stone within
the soft dirt where I landed. Knew right away that I'd broken it. Lenny
Senns walked by on the way to school. His parents moved around so he
was about a year older than the rest of us in our class, 10 instead of
9. He went to the nurse's office at the public school, which was only
100 yards from where I was lying, and the nurse would not come out to
see me because it was not school property. I believe she did not do
anything. This was 1956 but it's the kind of "No, not me" problem one
thinks of as being recent." Within a 20 or 30 minutes, the minister of
the church found me and drove me to the hospital. I don't limp.

There can be legitimate reasons for parents to contact their kids while they're
in school, but they can do it the same way it was done for the many decades >before everyone had a cellphone. Just call the school office and ask someone to
deliver a message to the kid.

Likewise, kids may need to contact a parent, but if it's legitimate they can ask
a school employee to make the call.

Bottom line, I'd be in favor of banning student cellphone use during school >hours.

I thought I heard that another big problem was that even during lunch
and break time, the students spend more time in their phones than
talking to their other students. Has that been mentioned???

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On 6/20/24 08:52, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-19 15:14, bad sector wrote:

On 6/19/24 14:10, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-19 05:49, bad sector wrote:

On 6/19/24 05:09, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban
cellphones
all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from
learning, lead
to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-18/lausd-board-approved- >>>>> strict-cell-phone-ban

About time, now let's get them disabled whenever/wherever their use
is or could be dangerous.

All species of mobile phones, ...

There's a rocker missing its occupant somewhere.

No like

Re-read your post - and think of the phrase "over the top".

"Over the top" is rather the present whorehouse
with its near total absence of regulation and a
'most convenient' narrative focusing on hands-free
instead of brain-free.

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On 2024-06-20, micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I never even thought to call home when I was at school. Why?

It wouldn't have done me any good. My mother would have been
at her job.

--
Cindy Hamilton

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On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:49:08 -0000 (UTC),
Chris <[email protected]>, in
<v4v264$22ggu$[email protected]> wrote:

Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones
all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead
to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

“Very furious,” is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in
Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
situations and to maintain access to family, she said.


At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as >> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide
only QR codes, for which “you can’t use your laptop.”

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
other schools and many may now follow.

Already happened in France
https://news.sky.com/story/french-schools-ban-mobile-phones-as-parents-say-the-uk-should-be-next-11489948

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12694341/Florida-school-district-cell-phone-ban.html

--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

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On 2024-06-21 12:05, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/20/24 5:51 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-19 14:46, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/19/24 11:14 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

Even back in the 70's our primary school office could intercom
the class when a parent called. "Please send Jimmy to the
office." Teacher wouldn't do anything - Jimmy would just go.

Each school could install jammers.

Illegal.

Rescind the law.  Make exceptions for schools.  It's not like the legislature is doing anything valuable with its time.

No exceptions. Radio spectrum is highly protected for various reasons,
in particular because of emergency calling.

And of course your notion is silly - as you would want teachers to be
able to call during an emergency, or perhaps directly receive emergency communications from a parent.

Do they actually exist?  Who buys them?  If there's already a thriving community of criminals, why not let schools join the group?

Yes - truckers like them (GPS jammers) so their company can't see where
they're at.
One trucker was thus fined over $30K for it. Good!

The FCC has been cracking down on vendors too (GPS and cell).

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 2024-06-21 12:15, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/21/24 9:05 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/20/24 5:51 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-19 14:46, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/19/24 11:14 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

Even back in the 70's our primary school office could intercom
the class when a parent called. "Please send Jimmy to the
office." Teacher wouldn't do anything - Jimmy would just go.

Each school could install jammers.

Illegal.

Rescind the law.  Make exceptions for schools.  It's not like the
legislature is doing anything valuable with its time.

Do they actually exist?  Who buys them?  If there's already a thriving
community of criminals, why not let schools join the group?

Alternate:  "The possession of cellphones by students during the school
day is forbidden.  Any cellphone found on school grounds during school
hours will be confiscated and smashed. The owner's final grade will be lowered by one level and his/her participation in student activities
other than classes will be prohibited.  Thank you for your support, have
a nice day."

Better get that burr out of your butt.

Before smartphones, my granddaughter said that everybody touch-typed on
their dumb phones to each other during class.

You may remember kids passing notes too.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 21 Jun 2024 15:52:11 -0700, The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:

Not all progress is good.

And yet they still call it progress.

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The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote in
news:v55frl$3itu4$[email protected]:

On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:

<[email protected]> wrote:

Not all progress is good.

And yet they still call it progress.

It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.

Woke "progress" in "schools" is an unwanted bowel movement to be flushed.

Who is going to hire someone with a minor in business and a major in
"gender studies"? Who is going to pay for this worthless degree? The
American public is thanks to the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris student
loan forgiveness.

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On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/21/24 2:00 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-21 12:05, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/20/24 5:51 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-19 14:46, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/19/24 11:14 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

Even back in the 70's our primary school office could intercom
the class when a parent called. "Please send Jimmy to the
office." Teacher wouldn't do anything - Jimmy would just go.

Each school could install jammers.

Illegal.

Rescind the law.  Make exceptions for schools.  It's not like the
legislature is doing anything valuable with its time.

No exceptions.  Radio spectrum is highly protected for various reasons,
in particular because of emergency calling.

And of course your notion is silly - as you would want teachers to be
able to call during an emergency, or perhaps directly receive emergency
communications from a parent.

Everybody and his dog has a land line.  Do you mean to tell me that
schools rely solely on cell communication?  Are you old enough to drink?
 What part of 'Call the school and pass on a message' do you not understand?  If it's not important enough to disrupt a class than maybe
it isn't an emergency after all.

You are definitely in a confused state.

I was replying to your notion about jamming. Jamming is illegal.

Teachers may need to call out from their classroom.

In any school I went to there were no landlines in the classrooms, only
in the front offices - and expect it's little different now.

Do they actually exist?  Who buys them?  If there's already a thriving >>> community of criminals, why not let schools join the group?

Yes - truckers like them (GPS jammers) so their company can't see where
they're at.
One trucker was thus fined over $30K for it.  Good!

The FCC has been cracking down on vendors too (GPS and cell).

Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication that outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying' thing is

You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
service. You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while at
school.

This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.

far less important than the fact that students' attention is on their
phones instead of whatever they're supposed to be doing in school.

OTOH, given the quality of California schools now, perhaps it's just a
wash.

The GOP war on public schools will only end when public schools are
nothing but a holding pen for those who can't afford private schools or
are willing to go to parochial school to get Jesused. Climate change
doesn't happen there and the earth is 6500 years old and people roamed
the earth with dinosaurs... (at least it's round ... they get that bit
right).



--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:

The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote in news:v55frl$3itu4$[email protected]:

On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:

<[email protected]> wrote:

Not all progress is good.

And yet they still call it progress.

It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.

"Woke"

ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:

Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication that
outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying' thing is

You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell service.  You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while at school.

This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.

Rewrite:
This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 08:47:24 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:

"Woke"

ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.

+!

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In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 22 Jun 2024 08:16:32 -0700, The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/22/24 5:49 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:

Laws can be changed.� I can see NO benefit of cell communication that
outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying' thing is

You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
service.� You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while at
school.

This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.

Rewrite:
This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.

I posit that some/many/most students will sneak their phones in and
devise ways to use them. When a phone is discovered, is the teacher >empowered to wrest it from the clutching hands of the owner? What if
the student is much larger and heavier and stronger than the teacher?
"Go to the Principal's office immediately" doesn't seem to carry the
weight it once did.

Kids also bring guns and knives to school and are only discovered if
they do something stupid. Why should phones be any different?

To be fair, the guns are discovered when the people take them out. So
too phones would be discovered when they take them out, or start talking
to themselves (it seems). If they never use them, if they are only for
a real emergency (a real and serious one, though I think those are very
very rare), I wouldn't object to their having them.

Change the law to allow jamming in schools. Period.

I can't find it but I heard a story this morning about a kid taking the
SAT, I think, who had a button camera on his shirt, a wifi set up in his
shoe, and he would photograph the questions, transmit it someone or
something, that wouuld reply with ansers that got converted to sound and
played in his ear. He was caught. Does anyone have a link to this?

it shows what some will do.

Amazing how many there are https://www.google.com/search?q=camera+in+shirt+button

Most of them are well over $100, but everyone wants to do well on the
SATs. :-)

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On 6/22/24 08:47, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:

The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote in
news:v55frl$3itu4$[email protected]:

On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:

<[email protected]> wrote:

Not all progress is good.

And yet they still call it progress.

It's just movement;  the direction is unspecified.

"Woke"

ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.

Other than intellectual antimatter, on the appearance side butches and
pretty *barbie-boys* seem to dominate the scene.

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On 6/19/24 12:49, Chris wrote:

Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones >>> all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead >>> to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.


“Very furious,” is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in
Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
situations and to maintain access to family, she said.


At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as >>> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide
only QR codes, for which “you can’t use your laptop.”

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
other schools and many may now follow.

Already happened in France https://news.sky.com/story/french-schools-ban-mobile-phones-as-parents-say-the-uk-should-be-next-11489948

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/chroniques/2024-06-23/madame-julie-s-en-va-heureuse.php?sharing=true


The above (in French) is the view of a teacher
who's just retiring, pretty depressing! But the
dilemma arises not from the phones and pads (as
hardware) but from what they run so one altenative
might be to outlaw the digital giants, as many
intend to do and as some have already done. This
would require the industry making money selling
hardware to protect their turf by turning on faecesbook
and the like to show them what their 'business model'
looks like in the parking lot turned upside down.

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On 6/19/24 12:49, Chris wrote:

Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:

The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban
cellphones all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from
learning, lead to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.

"Very furious," is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in >>> Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
situations and to maintain access to family, she said.

At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as >>> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often
provide only QR codes, for which "you can't use your laptop."

For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.

She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
other schools and many may now follow.

Already happened in France https://news.sky.com/story/french-schools-ban-mobile-phones-as-parents-say-the-uk-should-be-next-11489948

In New Zealand, the cellphone ban became law with start of the new
school term at the end of April this year ...

School cellphone ban: What you need to know
-------------------------------------------
The second school term began on 29 April - and so did the
government's official ban on cellphones in schools. It was
a policy National promised to deliver during the election
if it was elected into government. Prime Minister
Christopher Luxon celebrated the day, posting "Happy No
Phones in School Day" to social media.

<https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/515550/school-cellphone-ban-what-you-need-to-know>


The ban here includes during playtime / breaks and lunchtime, so some
kids have started using walkie-talkies instead to contact their friends
in other classrooms during breaks, while most others just use email,
etc. on the laptop or tablet device that schools ridiculously insist
parents have to buy.

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On 2024-06-22 11:16, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/22/24 5:49 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:

Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication
that outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying'
thing is

You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
service.  You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while
at school.

This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.

Rewrite:
This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.

I posit that some/many/most students will sneak their phones in and
devise ways to use them.  When a phone is discovered, is the teacher empowered to wrest it from the clutching hands of the owner?  What if
the student is much larger and heavier and stronger than the teacher?
"Go to the Principal's office immediately" doesn't seem to carry the
weight it once did.

Action against breaking the rules doesn't have to be immediate.

When the kid has to explain to his parents that's he's been suspended
from school for the balance of the week ... that is the active part.

(Or whatever punishment the school devises).

Kids also bring guns and knives to school and are only discovered if
they do something stupid.  Why should phones be any different?

You're looking for perfect cases. Sure, the odd phone will get into the school. And because it's rare, it will more likely be discovered and
action taken.

Change the law to allow jamming in schools.  Period.

No. Why put others at risk just to solve one problem? Your solution is drastic where less drastic solutions are demonstrated to exist and not
only function well, but have collateral benefits.

Jamming is illegal for good reason.


--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 2024-06-22 14:34, Chris wrote:

Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:

The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote in
news:v55frl$3itu4$[email protected]:

On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:

<[email protected]> wrote:

Not all progress is good.

And yet they still call it progress.

It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.

"Woke"

ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.

That's because it has no meaning.

I woke this morning from a very pleasant sleep.

So there.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 2024-06-23 17:21, Chris wrote:

science. Of course things will change after 34 years of doing the same job.

In high school we had the usual spectrum of teachers including a few who
were still teaching from their "plan" that was 20+ years old.
Thankfully they were in the minority. Best seemed to be the science
teachers. Worst was history (perhaps).

My sister mentioned a prank where the kids found a teacher's plan and
swiped it, and despite his decades of plying his trade, refused to teach
class without it.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 6/23/24 17:21, Chris wrote:

bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

t the

dilemma arises not from the phones and pads (as
hardware) but from what they run so one altenative
might be to outlaw the digital giants, as many
intend to do and as some have already done.

Or we take the teaching to where the kids are at. Not stick to outmoded methods which aren't realistic anymore.

Too much screen time is bad, but there are potential benefits to be
grabbed.

Having tablets belonging to and programmed by the school and mirrored to
the students' own is probably a very good idea but I'm no pedagogue and
that's likely for them to call. All academic content should be decided
by the teachers/state/parents triad. I was very fortunate all my life
having had really excellent teachers (except the odd loser).

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On 2024-06-25 11:30, The Real Bev wrote:

On 6/24/24 8:09 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-06-22 11:16, The Real Bev wrote:

Change the law to allow jamming in schools.  Period.

No.  Why put others at risk just to solve one problem?  Your solution is >> drastic where less drastic solutions are demonstrated to exist and not
only function well, but have collateral benefits.

What risk?  Presumably the jammer has a switch, to be used in case of
alien invasion or active shooter.  How did people deal with emergencies before cellphones?  You call the school and The Office Lady does something.  Alternate -- the kid goes to the office and asks The Office
Lady to call his parents.

Which is why jamming is not needed. Kids w/o cell phones in the school
can still go to the front office; or the front office can call them on
the intercom when the parents call in.

Jamming is illegal for good reason.

Are you telling me that Law Enforcement never does it?

Very rarely (if at all) as they are subject to FCC laws where radio use
is employed. (Though I have heard the USSS does use it in some
situations where moving the President around "requires it").

But please do prove me wrong.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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