• Re: Finally iOS 18 will be able to schedule messages

    From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 12 04:31:15 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    While Android has had scheduled messages for years, Apple finally
    added the ability for iOS to schedule messages in iOS 18.

    Since Apple religious zealots have shown to understand nothing of Apple products, allow me to be the first to inform you that yet again, Apple has shown to be incapable of properly implementing this scheduled messaging.

    Turns out, *Apple's implementation doesn't actually work!*
    <https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/ios-18-ipados-18-iphone-apple-features-fall-2024-70d28f09>

    Fancy that.
    a. Apple is a decade behind Android in scheduled messaging functionality...
    b. And then, when you look at what it does...
    c. It doesn't even work!

    Yet again, Apple proves to be incapable of writing even simple programs.
    "This only works with iMessage, so only with fellow Apple users."

    Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone; not just Android
    users or not just Apple user, showing Apple coders are high school kids.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jun 12 06:12:43 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Andy Burns wrote on Wed, 12 Jun 2024 06:26:18 +0100 :

    Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;

    Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
    birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ..

    Hi Andy,

    Thanks for that question, as every feature serves a purpose for someone,
    but at the same time, that capability may not be useful to many others.

    If you have kids and grandkids, it's a very useful feature, for the reasons that they don't wake up until later in the afternoon and they need to be reminded to do things - and - this is key - they live off of SMS/MMS text!

    Therefore, take a look at what I often use it for in this simple sequence:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/bJZBFqxK/scheduledmessage.jpg>

    Bear in mind that I've been scheduling messages for so long that even I was surprisd that Apple's messaging didn't have this basic feature - until the
    next release, and even then, it turns out it only works between iOS users alone.

    Which again proves the point Apple doesn't work outside the walled garden.

    When my own kids were in college (some are still in grad school as we
    type), I often use the scheduling to remind them to pay certain bills,
    again, because college kids tend to live & breathe by SMS/MMS messaging.

    In short, it's a great feature to be able to schedule messages, if you have reasons to schedule those messages - where they become great reminders.

    As you may recall, years ago, I tested every free adfree gsfree gsmfree
    SMS/MMS app on Android and settled on the open source PulseSMS messaging
    app as the best based on its rich feature set (which is far better than
    Apple's messages). <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>

    Given the Apple people are on this thread, and given they're always
    ignorant of what Android can do, I should note that what PulseSMS does is
    far more than the Apple messaging app ever did - including messaging on any platform - which the Apple people think only exists on their iOS devices.

    Unfortunately, the open source code was bought by MapleMedia, but the good
    news is I have been using the Klinker last known good version for years, without any issues or problems (on a variety of Android phones over time).

    However, with the advent of RCS, and particularly with Apple finally
    figuring out how to implement RCS on their iOS platform, I may need to look
    for a non-Google RCS-capable MMS/SMS messaging app in the future, as my
    great grandchild's parents send me cute baby videos every day.

    Unfortunately, that household is a purely Apple home, which, as you're
    quite well aware, don't work outside the walled garden, so we've been using WhatsApp to allow that Apple household to send videos to the family.
    iOS messaging stinks <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
    WA messaging is better <https://i.postimg.cc/QMGrqLb9/clear.jpg>

    Hopefully, when Apple figures out how RCS works, things will improve.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Jun 12 06:26:18 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Andrew wrote:

    Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;

    Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
    birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Jun 12 06:19:47 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Andrew wrote on Wed, 12 Jun 2024 06:12:43 -0000 (UTC) :

    If you have kids and grandkids, it's a very useful feature, for the reasons that they don't wake up until later in the afternoon and they need to be reminded to do things - and - this is key - they live off of SMS/MMS text!

    Ooops. Wrong link. Here's the correct link to the example I just provided.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/v86wXwtJ/scheduledmessage.jpg>

    Note that this open-source messaging app can not only schedule messages,
    but it can text from any device - which is something the Apple people think only they have - but in reality - theirs only works inside the walled
    garden.

    In summary, it's great that the primitive iOS messaging can finally
    schedule messages (for those who use that feature - as I do often).

    However...

    Like most things Apple, it doesn't actually work in the real world.
    (It only works inside the walled garden.)

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jun 12 06:50:02 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote at 05:26 this Wednesday (GMT):
    Andrew wrote:

    Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;

    Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
    birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...


    I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
    some use for it.
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Enrico Papaloma on Wed Jun 12 17:47:42 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Enrico Papaloma wrote:

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing
    that I would ever need ...

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  • From Enrico Papaloma@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 12 18:37:57 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;

    Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
    birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...

    I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
    some use for it.

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
    But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.

    It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jun 12 10:34:42 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Enrico Papaloma wrote:

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing
    that I would ever need ...


    And which you could do with...

    ..Reminders!

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  • From Harry S Robins@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jun 12 14:47:35 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    nothing that I would ever need

    What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
    night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Harry S Robins on Thu Jun 13 09:24:13 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 19:47:35 +0000, Harry S Robins said:
    On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    nothing that I would ever need

    What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

    My uncle simply sends them. It doesn't matter that it's the middle of
    the night here. That's why my mother turns her phone's sound off (or
    the phone itself) every night. Most people will be the same - they will
    simply press send and not know nor bother with scheduling. What the
    makers and developers forget is that most users are not techno-geeks,
    they do not care about all these gimmicks and just do things the simple
    way they always have.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Enrico Papaloma on Wed Jun 12 17:31:09 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 12:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
    On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;

    Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
    birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ... >>
    I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
    some use for it.

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
    But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.

    It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.

    I think it's a feature I would use but not terribly often.

    More likely to set a reminder to myself to send a message at some point
    in the future. But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might
    be useful.

    Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull. Need to test that.

    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Jun 12 17:32:48 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Enrico Papaloma wrote:

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people,
    nothing that I would ever need ...


    And which you could do with...

    ..Reminders!

    Not really.
    One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.

    This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.

    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Jun 12 14:46:21 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Enrico Papaloma wrote:

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people,
    nothing that I would ever need ...


    And which you could do with...

    ..Reminders!

    Not really.
    One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.

    This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.


    So... ...use Shortcuts:

    <https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Harry S Robins on Wed Jun 12 17:34:02 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 15:47, Harry S Robins wrote:
    On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    nothing that I would ever need

    What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

    Does it matter? Not like the message isn't waiting for them if you send
    it now and they see it when they rouse themselves.

    Get plenty of e-mail and the odd message that way.

    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Jun 12 18:09:42 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-06-12 17:51, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    in the future. But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might
    be useful.

    Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull. Need to test that.

    I guess it depends on how the messages are "cached". If they're only stored on your phone and then your phone is off or in airplane mode at the
    scheduled time, then that is not very useful.

    I regularly use schedule send for emails for when I'm working in the evenings. Not sure it's something I'll use often for texts.

    Valid point that I'd put as almost edge case.

    But it does make me wonder if the scheduled message is stored and sent
    from the (say) phone, or if it is stored and sent from an Apple server.
    Not sure if the keynote made that clear.

    Easy enough to test. Send a delayed text, then turn off the phone for
    the time that the message should be sent...

    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Jun 12 18:06:36 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 17:46, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Enrico Papaloma wrote:

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people,
    nothing that I would ever need ...


    And which you could do with...

    ..Reminders!

    Not really.
    One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.

    This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.


    So... ...use Shortcuts:

    <https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>

    Not worth the trouble.


    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Jun 12 15:17:19 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 15:06, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 17:46, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Enrico Papaloma wrote:

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people,
    nothing that I would ever need ...


    And which you could do with...

    ..Reminders!

    Not really.
    One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.

    This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.


    So... ...use Shortcuts:

    <https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>

    Not worth the trouble.



    The point being that it's never been unavailable.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Jun 13 13:02:14 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 21:31:09 +0000, Alan Browne said:
    On 2024-06-12 12:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
    On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;

    Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
    birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...

    I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
    some use for it.

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
    But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.

    It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.

    I think it's a feature I would use but not terribly often.

    More likely to set a reminder to myself to send a message at some point
    in the future. But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might
    be useful.

    Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull. Need to test that.

    I can see it being business marketing departments using scheduled text
    messages (e.g. a book release at 00:01), but they no doubt already use
    a system via computers to do that rather than on an actual mobile phone.

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Jun 13 04:09:08 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing
    that I would ever need ...

    For anyone who runs a business from their iPhone - or people who only
    remember the important things they need to text while laying in bed at 3
    a.m. - the new scheduling feature will be a much-welcomed addition. Beyond simply making life easier, like when you want to text someone across time
    zones without disturbing them, Apple's screenshot suggests you could also
    use the feature to ensure you don't miss sending someone a birthday
    greeting.

    https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/11/at-last-apples-messages-app-will-support-rcs-and-scheduling-texts/

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Enrico Papaloma on Thu Jun 13 06:10:04 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Enrico Papaloma <[email protected]> wrote at 16:37 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;

    Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
    birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ... >>
    I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
    some use for it.

    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
    But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.

    It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.


    Right, I usually just use it so it doesn't look like I'm writing emails
    at 1 in the morning.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Jun 13 18:06:12 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 08:35:36 -0000 (UTC) :

    I mean, SMS is explicitly asynchronous - there's no guarantee a text will
    be delivered at any time - so the time you send something is meaningless. Especially with kids.

    While technically that's true, how many times have you sent an SMS/MMS
    message and had it NOT arrive within seconds of you sending it?

    But, in reality, the problem with Apple's scheduled messaging
    implementation is far worse than just the inherent delay in SMS/MMS because
    it doesn't apparently even *work* outside the walled garden anyway.

    At least that's what this cite from the WSJ rather clearly says:
    <https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/ios-18-ipados-18-iphone-apple-features-fall-2024-70d28f09>
    "*This only works with iMessage, so only with fellow Apple users*."

    Ooops. Wrong link. Here's the correct link to the example I just provided. >> <https://i.postimg.cc/v86wXwtJ/scheduledmessage.jpg>

    Does it still work if the phone is off/has no signal/in airplane mode?

    Completely outside the topic of "scheduled messages", I hike often in backcountry that has low cellular service where my experience is that any queued up SMS messages get sent en masse when my phone enters a cellular service area.

    Back on the topic of scheduled messages though, based on the WSJ article
    above saying it doesn't actually work in the real world (surprise!), I
    suspect Apple isn't using the SMS/MMS system to send those scheduled
    messages (since the walled garden isn't even close to the real world).

    Given logging into Apple's walled garden is apparently required for
    scheduled messages to work, we can't answer your question until we find out WHERE the Apple scheduled messages are scheduled and eventually sent from.

    *After logging into Apple's walled garden servers...*
    *Are the scheduled messages kept on and sent from Apple's servers?*

    I don't know.

    But I doubt any of the Apple religious zealots will know either, as they
    only know what Apple has advertised in glossy marketing for herd animals.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Jun 13 17:54:48 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 07:43:40 -0000 (UTC) :


    Since Apple religious zealots have shown to understand nothing of Apple >>>> products

    Remember you're the person who both massively over-inflated the number of >>> zero days in iOS AND didn't know basic geofencing functionality in iOS.

    Who's the one who knows nothing about Apple really?

    And yet I'm the one who explained

    Nope. All you do is post other people's articles that reinforce your own bias. In short, you're the definition of a troll.

    Notice you Apple zealots hate facts, but you never provide any facts.
    *All you do is deny every fact you hate about Apple products.*

    Which... is a LOT of facts.

    For example, note that it is I who provided the cite saying that Apple's implementation of scheduled messaging in iOS 18, like most of Apple's messaging, doesn't actually work in the real world. Surprise. Surprise.

    According to this cite, it works only in the walled garden.
    <https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/ios-18-ipados-18-iphone-apple-features-fall-2024-70d28f09>
    "*This only works with iMessage, so only with fellow Apple users*."

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Peter on Thu Jun 13 14:21:05 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-12 23:09, Peter wrote:
    Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
    I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

    OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing
    that I would ever need ...

    For anyone who runs a business from their iPhone - or people who only remember the important things they need to text while laying in bed at 3
    a.m. - the new scheduling feature will be a much-welcomed addition. Beyond simply making life easier, like when you want to text someone across time zones without disturbing them, Apple's screenshot suggests you could also

    Most people have their phones set to do-not-disturb for their sleep
    period. And should unless in some sort of "on call" status.

    use the feature to ensure you don't miss sending someone a birthday
    greeting.


    Already have calendar reminders for B'days - most of whom I call
    personally to remind about their inexorable submission to entropy.

    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Jun 13 14:27:08 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-06-13 04:35, Chris wrote:


    Does it still work if the phone is off/has no signal/in airplane mode?

    This is where the distinction of the functionality being "on device" or
    on Apple's servers as a "store, wait and forward" function comes in....

    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Jun 13 19:32:05 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 18:52:46 -0000 (UTC) :

    Notice you Apple zealots hate facts

    Your understanding of facts is very limited. Most of what you post are not facts.

    but you never provide any facts.

    Apart from the time when your claim of zero days was corrected for you.

    Given zealots have no education in the sciences or engineering, you can be forgiven for not being able to discern between facts & assessments of fact.

    This is an example of a fact.

    FACT: Apple fully supports only one release, unlike every other OS vendor.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    ASSESSMENT: Apple has the worst operating system support in the industry.

    What you uneducated (and hence ignorant) Apple religious zealots constantly
    do is confuse actual facts from one person's assessment of those facts.

    1. Only a fool disagrees with facts (that's why they're fools).
    2. Yet adults can reasonably disagree with assessments (because each person
    places a different weight on the myriad facts that form assessments).

    What you Apple zealots do is confuse fact with assessment of fact.

    It's actually a fundamental part of your herd mentality, because you
    religious herd animals only know marketing BS but can't assemble facts.

    FACT: Apple MARKETING tells you that Apple products are safer than others. FACT: Yet Apple only promises five years of full operating system support. FACT: Even Microsoft fully supports Windows 10 for far longer than that.
    FACT: Worse, Apple only fully supports a single release at a time.
    FACT: Even as Samsung/Google fully support up to seven releases at a time. FACT: And Microsoft clearly fully supports more than one release at a time. etc. (lots more facts)

    ASSESSMENT: *Apple has the worst operating system support in the industry.*

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Jun 13 17:32:30 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-06-13 16:40, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-06-12 23:09, Peter wrote:

    use the feature to ensure you don't miss sending someone a birthday
    greeting.


    Already have calendar reminders for B'days - most of whom I call
    personally to remind about their inexorable submission to entropy.

    A handy tip I found out recently is if you add a date of birth to a
    contact's details on iOS it'll put a note in the calendar telling you their birthday *and* their age.

    Quite right - in effect Calendar takes birthdates from contacts and
    expresses them on your Mac or other ...

    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Jun 13 23:02:15 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 20:25:25 -0000 (UTC) :

    While technically that's true, how many times have you sent an SMS/MMS
    message and had it NOT arrive within seconds of you sending it?

    I mostly communicate via imessage or whatsapp so SMS is rare. I have had it fail, but couldn't tell you how often.

    In my experience, when I send an (unscheduled, i.e., normal) SMS message,
    the recipient gets it within seconds of me sending it.

    If I'm not in an area that has coverage at the time I initiated the
    sending, then it has been my experience that the recipient automatically
    gets it only after I move to an area that has coverage.

    Hence, it appears to be queued up on my phone; but I leave it to the
    Android experts to explain better how a failed SMS message is queued up.

    Ooops. Wrong link. Here's the correct link to the example I just provided. >>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/v86wXwtJ/scheduledmessage.jpg>

    Does it still work if the phone is off/has no signal/in airplane mode?

    Completely outside the topic of "scheduled messages", I hike often in
    backcountry that has low cellular service where my experience is that any
    queued up SMS messages get sent en masse when my phone enters a cellular
    service area.

    Back on the topic of scheduled messages though, based on the WSJ article

    You misunderstand. I was asking about *your* method. Does it work when there's no mobile signal? And if it doesn't, what happens? Do scheduled messages fail completely or is it sent next time signal is available?

    Thanks for clarifying the question, where I do NOT know what happens using
    the age-old Android method of sending scheduled messages if at the time the message is scheduled to be sent, there is no cellular coverage.

    I suspect that the same thing "should" happen that happens when I send an
    SMS message when I have no coverage, but I don't know if that is the case.

    Bear in mind the EXTREMELY IMPORTANT distinction that sending messages with
    iOS typically involves logging into Apple messaging servers, whereas on Android, you're never required to log into any server to send a message.

    Hence, I suspect that the Android method keeps trying as I don't see any distinction in HOW it's sent between sending a message NOW versus sending
    it scheduled for later. But I could be wrong on that.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Jun 13 23:20:07 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 20:25:26 -0000 (UTC) :

    Does it still work if the phone is off/has no signal/in airplane mode?

    This is where the distinction of the functionality being "on device" or
    on Apple's servers as a "store, wait and forward" function comes in....

    Exactly. I guess it's like outlook's method where it's all done on the
    server meaning it doesn't matter that your PC is off.

    As a related aside, I've been looking up details about how the Apple iOS 18 satellite messaging method works, whose encryption seems to suffer from the same classic walled-garden flaws as scheduled messages appear to suffer
    from.

    The clue that the inherent weaknesses of the walled garden are involved in
    the satellite messaging method is that Apple advertises it's E2E encrypted.
    <https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2024/06/11/apple-expands-satellite-messaging-capabilities-with-ios-18/>
    "Messages sent via satellite will have the same end-to-end encryption
    as typical iMessages."

    Note that E2E encryption is reserved for people wholly inside the walled garden, which implies that encrypted satellite messaging won't actually
    work in the real world (where 3/4 of the people on this planet are NOT
    logged into Apple servers, even as the satellite service is apparently USA
    only at this time, according to the references cited in this article).
    "It's nice to see both SMS and iMessage supported over satellite,
    even if only the latter is end-to-end encrypted."
    <https://www.engadget.com/how-messages-via-satellite-will-work-on-ios-18-and-how-much-it-will-cost-130020976.html>

    Note that RCS is NOT handled by Apple's satellite coverage.
    "Apple's decision to include SMS is thoughtful, and though I'd
    like RCS to be covered as well that platform's messages are
    too large or complicated to compress effectively"

    However, note this article says Apple's SMS will work in the real world.
    <https://explorersweb.com/apple-ios-18-will-allow-satellite-texting-for-u-s-users/>
    "Texts to non-iPhone users will also go by satellite, via SMS."

    For Android users, note T-Mobile & Verizon have Android 15 satellite plans. Android 15:
    <https://www.androidauthority.com/satellite-messaging-t-mobile-android-15-3444192/>
    T-Mobile:
    <https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2024/01/10/spacex-sends-its-text-messages-via-direct-to-cell-starlink-satellites/>
    Verizon:
    <https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2024/05/29/verizon-jumps-into-satellite-to-cell-market-with-ast-spacemobile/>

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Fri Jun 14 23:40:54 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Chris wrote on Fri, 14 Jun 2024 22:03:08 -0000 (UTC) :

    I suspect that the same thing "should" happen that happens when I send an
    SMS message when I have no coverage, but I don't know if that is the case.

    You could test it?

    The good news is it works on all platforms, so anyone can test it out.
    <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>

    Windows & macOS PC users included.
    <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/platform-mac.html>
    <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/platform-windows.html>

    I find it interesting that the Apple owners have no idea that we've been
    doing for years what Apple is only now figuring out how to give them it.

    Seamless device integration
    Send SMS and MMS from any platform, any time.
    Sync is instant and hassle free.

    Per-contact customization
    Customize color, notifications and more, for all of your conversations.

    Beautiful layouts and animations
    Pulse SMS doesn't just get the job done.
    It wraps your messages in a powerful, fluid layout.

    Pin favorite contacts
    Quick access to all your favorites at the top of the conversation list.

    Night mode
    Your perfect companion to optimizing your nighttime messaging.

    Blacklist
    Stop annoying spammers.

    Delayed sending
    To prevent those awkward mistakes in your messages.

    Dual SIM support
    Have two SIMs? Pulse SMS can manage both for you, no problem.

    Backup and Restore
    With a Pulse SMS account, your messages are automatically backed up
    and restored to any new devices.

    End-to-end encryption
    None of your data is stored un-encrypted on our backend.
    Get the full privacy of the latest encryption standards.

    Powerful searches
    Search conversations and messages, all at once.

    Mute and snooze
    Prevent distractions while you need to get stuff done.

    Smart Replies
    Get context-aware reply suggestions, to your conversations.

    Web previews
    See instant previews of any web articles or YouTube videos
    that get sent to you.

    Schedule messages
    Make sure your message gets sent out, at the right time.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 15 11:56:08 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Andrew, 2024-06-13 20:06:

    Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 08:35:36 -0000 (UTC) :

    I mean, SMS is explicitly asynchronous - there's no guarantee a text will
    be delivered at any time - so the time you send something is meaningless.
    Especially with kids.

    While technically that's true, how many times have you sent an SMS/MMS message and had it NOT arrive within seconds of you sending it?

    I have experienced this many times - especially when sending a SMS to
    someone within a different provider network.

    Sometimes messages even did not arrive at all. It seems SMS is not that important for providers nowadays since they know, that many people use messengers anyway.


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Jun 15 13:25:19 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Sat, 15 Jun 2024 09:05:21 -0000 (UTC) :

    The good news is it works on all platforms, so anyone can test it out.
    <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>

    So why don't you? You're the one who already uses it and sing its praises. You could have done it in the time it took write this post.

    It worked for me, Chris, which I tried before you even asked, but I don't
    want to risk saying it works for everyone since I only tested it once.

    I turned on airplane mode.
    I scheduled a message to my wife.
    I waited an hour and turned airplane mode off.

    It sent.

    Will it send for everyone?
    Hell if I know.

    But if I say it does, then you guys will jump all over me, like you always
    do, so I kept mum about it and simply said anyone could test it.

    Pulse SMS works with Chrome & Firefox on any platform and it runs on
    Android phones & tablets, and Android TV and macOS, Windows & Linux.

    Unlike almost everything from Apple, PulseSMS works in the real world.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Jun 15 18:04:51 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-06-14 18:03, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    But it does make me wonder if the scheduled message is stored and sent
    from the (say) phone, or if it is stored and sent from an Apple server.

    I'd suspect the latter.

    I'd _ex_pect the later but Apple don't always do as I expect (or wish
    for that matter).


    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Jun 16 17:34:46 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Sat, 15 Jun 2024 16:12:14 -0000 (UTC) :

    When? At the same time scheduled time or when you switched off airplane
    mode?

    It's good that you're asking questions.

    It sent when I turned airplane mode back on.

    Interestingly, you claim this app is free and open source, but the source doesn't exist and the github releases haven't been updated in nearly 18 months.
    https://github.com/maplemedia/pulse-sms-desktop/pull/16

    That's worrying for an election app as they require regular updates to fix vulnerabilities and bugs.

    The good news is you're asking questions.

    The bad news is that we covered this a thousand times already on this
    newsgroup (yes, both on the Apple newsgroup and on the Android newsgroup).

    There's a *reason* I called it the last known good version of PulseSMS.
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=44927&group=comp.mobile.android#44927>

    Will it send for everyone?
    Hell if I know.

    But if I say it does, then you guys will jump all over me, like you always >> do, so I kept mum about it and simply said anyone could test it.

    Pulse SMS works with Chrome & Firefox on any platform and it runs on
    Android phones & tablets, and Android TV and macOS, Windows & Linux.

    Unlike almost everything from Apple, PulseSMS works in the real world.

    Not if you look at the reviews. Almost all recent reviews complain that it doesn't work on Android (anymore) or requires a subscription. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger

    The Play Store version has been updated so it looks like they've abandoned their open source model.

    I don't want to come down too hard on you because you're at least asking questions, which is something most of the ignorant Apple zealots never do.

    The bad thing is we covered this a thousand times already, where we covered
    it in the Apple newsgroups when we explained there's nothing that messages
    does on Apple products that PulseSMS doesn't do on every platform, where
    even Steve Scharf (SMS) got into the act saying that PulseSMS was sold to
    Maple Media years ago.
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=35684&group=comp.mobile.android#35684>

    There's a *reason* I called it "the last known good version" by the Klinker brothers and why my screenshots showed that, which is you have to use the
    last known good version.

    Since we've covered this a thousand times, you'll pardon my frustration as
    I'm not used to people needing something to be told to them a thousand
    times. But I do appreciate that you looked it up.

    That's better than what the Apple morons do who never look anything up.
    So I give you credit for figuring out what I knew years ago but which the
    Apple uneducated religious zealots like Jolly Roger & Alan Browne never
    will figure out.

    Hence, you're at least smarter than they are, which is a good thing.
    So here are some searches for "last known good version pulsesms"...

    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/4xgp8Gh2JNA/m/R5lC3Sr_BAAJ> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/9MjAGIdZCd4/m/7U9iGtb-BAAJ> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/search.php> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=45000&group=comp.mobile.android#45000>

    etc.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jun 17 04:16:58 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Sun, 16 Jun 2024 21:36:24 -0000 (UTC) :

    Sorry to tell you but I don't read all your posts. I often killfile you.

    I went to the finest schools in this country and I never met a person who
    not only complains that all facts are wrong but that he never reads any.

    People like you couldn't even pass a simple high school physics test.

    a. You don't read any facts.
    b. You deny all facts.

    And you wonder why I say all you Apple religious nutcases have a low IQ.

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