• Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the

    From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 08:05:03 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Am 31.05.24 um 23:20 schrieb Larry Wolff:
    In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop on and collect data from phones.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices
    Does this advice hold true for PC's also?

    A cellphone is nothing else than a desktop machine or laptop: A
    computer. If it is correct which I doubt the answer is yes.

    The link does not load on my Mac/Firefox. Is this a trustworthy site?
    Even if I allow Java-script.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Jun 2 00:06:27 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 1 Jun 2024 08:05:03 +0200, J�rg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

    Am 31.05.24 um 23:20 schrieb Larry Wolff:
    In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA
    recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to >> protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop >> on and collect data from phones.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices
    Does this advice hold true for PC's also?

    A cellphone is nothing else than a desktop machine or laptop: A

    I was going to point out that Android has many and major differences
    from Windows, but that would just lead to a fight, so I won't say
    anything.

    computer. If it is correct which I doubt the answer is yes.

    The link does not load on my Mac/Firefox. Is this a trustworthy site?



    Even if I allow Java-script.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 2 07:05:31 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Am 02.06.24 um 06:06 schrieb micky:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 1 Jun 2024 08:05:03 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
    A cellphone is nothing else than a desktop machine or laptop: A

    I was going to point out that Android has many and major differences
    from Windows, but that would just lead to a fight, so I won't say
    anything.

    The only *relevant* difference is that Android runs apps in sandboxes
    that require elevated rights. And who cares about Windows?

    BTW: You are not knowing much about the devices you use and now you want
    to brag? Hint: You cannot solve your social issues with a cellphone.

    *ROTFLSTC*

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Jun 2 11:25:35 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 2 Jun 2024 07:05:31 +0200, J�rg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

    Am 02.06.24 um 06:06 schrieb micky:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 1 Jun 2024 08:05:03 +0200, J�rg Lorenz
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    A cellphone is nothing else than a desktop machine or laptop: A

    I was going to point out that Android has many and major differences
    from Windows, but that would just lead to a fight, so I won't say
    anything.

    The only *relevant* difference is that Android runs apps in sandboxes
    that require elevated rights. And who cares about Windows?

    LOL If you don't like my stories, don't read them.

    BTW: You are not knowing much about the devices you use and now you want
    to brag? Hint: You cannot solve your social issues with a cellphone.

    *ROTFLSTC*

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Peter on Sun Jun 2 22:50:36 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Peter wrote:

    Both Google's and Apple's latest phones don't allow you to turn them off
    for real. The iPhones and the latest Pixels are still running Google's and Apple's tracking activities even when you think you've turned them off.

    Now, I don't claim to know or care much about Apple products, but I
    think airtags are relatively popular? Because of that, Google were
    /bound/ to want to match that feature, hence the [very] new
    functionality to findmydevice.

    Yes, in a limited sense certain parts of your phone may never be "off",
    I suspect we don't know yet whether disabling the findmydevice feature
    *does* allow it to be really off.

    Some people were paranoid about the covid tracking feature, but you
    could turn it off, or not install the app, and I don't remember any
    actual issue with it in the end?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jun 3 08:34:21 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote:

    Peter wrote:

    2. The bluetooth radios turn back on despite you turning them off.

    Not true on ios. You can turn it off permanently.

    The auto turning back on is only present in Android 15, which isn't out
    of beta yet, things could change.

    If people want to disable these new features, that's fine, but it should prevent them from benefitting from the new features. If you don't want
    to contribute to the findmydevice network that's OK, but don't expect to
    be able to use the findmydevice network when/if you lose your own phone ...

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 3 17:43:04 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris, 2024-06-03 16:52:

    Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote on Mon, 3 Jun 2024 10:45:39 +0100 :

    My point only is that this doesn't portend an ability to turn off bluetooth
    in later releases because Google & Apple make too much $ off tracking us. >>>
    But do they really make money from knowing where I am?

    I appreciate that you're asking good questions, where I think in this very >> thread we saw an article that Mayayana cited that says yes.

    Apple & Google make money off of keeping track of our location.

    Is this another of your unsubstantiated claims?

    No, it is called "location based service". This was already a business
    model way before smartphones existed. In the past phone companies sold
    location based services based on triangulation of the base stations
    connected to the phone.

    BTDT - I have written software using this to locate the next available
    pharmacy with emergency services in Germany when a user requests this by
    either sending an SMS to a specific number and he will then get the list
    of pharmacies as response or by using a WAP browser and visiting a
    specific WAP site which offers this as a service.

    Of course the phone company asked for money for every location request.
    And this had to be paid by the company providing that pharmacy location
    service and not by the users.

    Nowadays location based services are of course more often used to
    distribute advertisements or to determine good locations to open the
    next fast food restaurant etc..

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    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 3 16:25:47 2024
    Newyana2 wrote:

    Interesting link.

    Just to make you aware, that every(?) time you reply to this group,
    you're also cc:ing individuals by email, it doesn't bother me, I wasn't
    sure if you're aware you're doing it?

    If you use the reply button in TB's main toolbar it won't happen, I
    think it's the follow-up button in the message header toolbar that does
    do it ... Or maybe TB78 behaves differently?

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Jun 3 18:08:22 2024
    On 03/06/2024 16:25, Andy Burns wrote:
    Newyana2 wrote:

    Interesting link.

    Just to make you aware, that every(?) time you reply to this group,
    you're also cc:ing individuals by email, it doesn't bother me, I wasn't
    sure if you're aware you're doing it?

    If you use the reply button in TB's main toolbar it won't happen, I
    think it's the follow-up button in the message header toolbar that does
    do it ... Or maybe TB78 behaves differently?

    I don't think so. In Thunderbird, usually I <rt-click> the post to
    which I intend to reply and choose 'Followup to newsgroup', but on this occasion I also tried the 'Followup' button in the post header in the
    Message Pane, and the resulting post had exactly the same addressing as
    my usual method, whereas clicking 'Reply' in the post header created a
    PM to your given email address.

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    Fake news kills!

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Jun 3 16:14:42 2024
    On 6/3/2024 11:25 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Newyana2 wrote:

    Interesting link.

    Just to make you aware, that every(?) time you reply to this group,
    you're also cc:ing individuals by email, it doesn't bother me, I wasn't
    sure if you're aware you're doing it?

    If you use the reply button in TB's main toolbar it won't happen, I
    think it's the follow-up button in the message header toolbar that does
    do it ... Or maybe TB78 behaves differently?

    Thanks. I was trying to remember to remove the direct
    replies, thinking it was a quirk of newer TBird. In OE I used
    to have to use Reply All or it wouldn't go through. I'm trying
    your advice now.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Jun 4 11:45:41 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Tue, 4 Jun 2024 08:58:11 -0000 (UTC) :

    So, before slinging insults at people have a look in the mirror first.


    What did you learn by reading the reference you were supposed to read? <https://xdaforums.com/t/privacy-do-you-know-a-way-to-permanently-disable-google-location-accuracy-precise-location-wi-fi-scanning-while-keeping-only-the-gps-radio-on.4543135/>

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