• The Dumbphone Boom Is Real

    From stan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 14 23:08:57 2024
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    AI will help accelerate this trend. It's already becoming annoying. Who
    needs 100 different AI sources pushing their crap in your face every
    minute?

    Will Stults spent too much time on his iPhone, doom-scrolling the site
    formerly known as Twitter and tweeting angrily at Elon Musk as if the billionaire would actually notice. Stults�s partner, Daisy Krigbaum, was addicted to Pinterest and YouTube, bingeing videos on her iPhone before
    going to sleep. Two years ago, they both tried Apple�s Screen Time
    restriction tool and found it too easy to disable, so the pair decided to
    trade out their iPhones for more low-tech devices. They�d heard about so- called dumbphones, which lacked the kinds of bells and whistles�a high- resolution screen, an app store, a video camera�that made smartphones so addictive. But they found the process of acquiring one hard to navigate.
    �The information on it was kind of disparate and hard to get to. A lot of people who know the most about dumbphones spend the least time online,� Krigbaum said. A certain irony presented itself: figuring out a way to be
    less online required aggressive online digging.

    The couple�Stults is twenty-nine, and Krigbaum is twenty-five�saw a
    business opportunity. �If somebody could condense it and simplify it to
    the best options, maybe more people would make the switch,� Krigbaum said.
    In late 2022, they launched an e-commerce company, Dumbwireless, to sell phones, data plans, and accessories for people who want to reduce time
    spent on their screens. This wasn�t Stults�s first attempt at
    entrepreneurship; his past efforts included a made-in-America clothing
    brand in Colorado (�That went under,� he said) and a coffee shop in the
    back of an ill-attended Hollywood comedy club (�A doomed enterprise,�
    Krigbaum said). Dumbwireless, however, has been much more successful.

    The couple�s home, in East Los Angeles, has turned into a kind of
    dumbphone emporium, with five hundred boxed devices stacked up in what was supposed to be a dining room. Stults takes business calls on his personal
    cell, and on one recent morning the first call came at 5 a.m. (As the lead
    on customer service, he has to use a smartphone�go figure.) They pack each order by hand, sometimes with handwritten notes. They have not yet quit
    their day jobs, which are in the service industry, but Dumbwireless sold
    more than seventy thousand dollars� worth of products last month, ten
    times more than in March, 2023. Krigbaum and Stults noticed an
    acceleration in sales last October, which they speculate may have had
    something to do with the onslaught of holiday-shopping season. Some of
    their popular phone offerings include the Light Phone, an e-ink device
    with almost no apps; the Nokia 2780, a traditional flip phone; and the
    Punkt., a calculator-ish Swiss device that looks like something designed
    for Neo to carry in �The Matrix� (which, to be fair, is a movie of the dumbphone era).

    The growing dumbphone fervor may be motivated, in part, by the discourse
    around child safety online. Parents are increasingly confronted with
    evidence that sites like Instagram and TikTok intentionally try to hook
    their children. Using those sites can increase teens� anxiety and lower
    their self-esteem, according to some studies, and smartphones make it so
    that kids are logged on constantly. Why should this situation be any
    healthier for adults? After almost two decades with iPhones, the public
    seems to be experiencing a collective ennui with digital life. So many
    hours of each day are lived through our portable, glowing screens, but the Internet isn�t even fun anymore. We lack the self-control to wean
    ourselves off, so we crave devices that actively prevent us from getting
    sucked into them. That means opting out of the prevailing technology and
    into what Cal Newport, a contributing writer for The New Yorker, has
    called a more considered �digital minimalism.�

    The Light Phone d�buted in 2017, before smartphone exhaustion became a mainstream ailment. The company�s co-founders, Kaiwei Tang and Joe
    Hollier, have sold tens of thousands of phones. The Light Phone II,
    released in 2019, features a monochrome touch screen that allows users to
    make calls, send text messages, and use a few custom apps: an alarm and
    timer, a calendar, directions, notes, music and podcast libraries. There
    are no social-media apps or streaming apps. �The point is to create useful utility that does not have the attention economy built in,� Tang said.
    Like Dumbwireless, Light Phone has recently been experiencing a surge in demand. From 2022 to 2023, its revenue doubled, and it is on track to
    double again in 2024, the founders told me. Hollier pointed to Jonathan
    Haidt�s new book, �The Anxious Generation,� about the adverse effects of smartphones on adolescents. Light Phone is receiving increased inquiries
    and bulk-order requests from churches, schools, and after-school programs.
    In September, 2022, the company began a partnership with a private school
    in Williamstown, Massachusetts, to provide Light Phones to the
    institution�s staff members and students; smartphones are now prohibited
    on campus. According to the school, the experiment has had a salutary
    effect both on student classroom productivity and on campus social life.
    Tang told me, �We�re talking to twenty to twenty-five schools now.�

    To Tang and Hollier�s surprise, some of the most willing Light Phone
    converts are Gen Z-ers. Some of them are younger than the iPhone. Digital technology has been an inevitable feature of their lives, yet they are
    also better equipped, or better motivated, than generations past to
    confront its negative impacts. Apple recently allowed third-party
    developers to write software that accesses the iPhone�s Screen Time
    function, meaning that some new programs can now help users limit their
    screen time by blocking apps. T. J. Driver and Zach Nasgowitz, two
    engineers in their early twenties, took advantage of this change to create
    an iPhone accessory called Brick, to fight their own excessive phone
    usage. Brick, which launched in September of 2023, is a magnetized plastic
    cube with a corresponding app that allows you to select which features you
    want to block on your smartphone. Tapping the brick activates or lifts the blockage. Driver and Nasgowitz started with one 3-D printer to produce the accessories; now they have fifteen machines running around the clock and
    are shipping a few hundred products a day.

    There is no one dumbphone solution for everyone. Each digital addict is addicted in her own way. Stults, of Dumbwireless, uses an app called
    Unpluq, which works similarly to Brick, blocking specific apps from his smartphone while allowing him to maintain the store�s customer-service channels, including e-mail and Shopify. Krigbaum has been a committed
    Light Phone user for the past two years. She said that she doesn�t miss
    her smartphone, but that her new device can cause some awkwardness when
    she meets other young people who ask how to keep in touch. They mean on
    social media, of course; for the vast swath of Gen Z-ers who don�t use dumbphones, exchanging numbers to text message or, God forbid, call seems archaic. �I�ve been saying, �I guess I�ll see you if I see you,� �
    Krigbaum said.

    When I want to escape from my iPhone, I pop the sim card out (which, unfortunately, is not possible on some newer iPhones) and install it in a
    red Nokia 2780 flip phone�the closing snap of which brings me back
    instantly to my high-school days, when flip phones were cutting edge.
    After the surprisingly easy switching process, I take the simple device
    with me on my daily walks with my dog. If I had my smartphone in hand, I�d
    be refreshing Instagram or compulsively checking my e-mail while my hound
    does her business or sniffs tree trunks. With the Nokia, I�ve cut myself
    off from such meaningless digital stimuli but preserved my ability to
    answer texts or phone calls if necessary. (I�m too much of a millennial to actually leave the house without any phone.) I find myself looking more at
    my surroundings, which are particularly enjoyable in springtime, and I am
    more relaxed when I return from the excursions. When I switch the sim card
    back into my iPhone, the device seems momentarily absurd: an enormous
    screen filled with infinite entertainment and information that follows me wherever I go. Then I open all my usual apps in quick succession�e-mail, Instagram, Slack�to see what I�ve missed. ?

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/the-dumbphone-boom-is-
    real

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to stan on Sun Apr 14 17:26:29 2024
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    On 2024-04-14 17:08, stan wrote:
    AI

    Yes. This will kill smartphones. Short the Apple and Samsung stock
    now! Plow your proceeds into DJT! That's the winner!

    --
    “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
    nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
    - Charles de Gaulle.

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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Apr 14 17:14:17 2024
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    On 4/14/2024 2:26 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-04-14 17:08, stan wrote:
    AI

    Yes.  This will kill smartphones.  Short the Apple and Samsung stock now!  Plow
    your proceeds into DJT!  That's the winner!

    --
    “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
     nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
    - Charles de Gaulle.

    That's a great quote from de Gaulle, and it describes Trump and his stooges perfectly.

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  • From Lil-man-ball@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon Apr 15 09:48:12 2024
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    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:14:17 -0700
    Lou Bricano <[email protected]> wrote:

    That's a great quote
    Poor Phil Hendry/tRudy Canoza, he wanted all the notoriety the late Art
    Bell had in the fringe radio market, but everyone hated him for his manipulative voice-overs of characters that existed only in his
    tortured mind.

    In essence tRudy used Phil's functional mental illness as a proxy for
    his own decrepit schizophrenia and MPD.

    Bit of a case of life imitating art, this one is...

    Well sheeitburgers from Suckramento...here he goes again!

    It's another tRudy sock up:

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    Now tRudy, can you fire up your Gunner Asch sock too?

    You pathetic slithering traitor to America.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Apr 15 19:43:42 2024
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:26:29 -0400, Alan Browne
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2024-04-14 17:08, stan wrote:
    AI

    Yes. This will kill smartphones. Short the Apple and Samsung stock
    now! Plow your proceeds into DJT! That's the winner!

    I'd luv to be able to buy a simple flip phone that fit in my pocket
    and did nothing else except be a simpe phone and NOTHING else.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Apr 16 12:46:01 2024
    [email protected] wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:26:29 -0400, Alan Browne
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2024-04-14 17:08, stan wrote:
    AI

    Yes. This will kill smartphones. Short the Apple and Samsung stock
    now! Plow your proceeds into DJT! That's the winner!

    I'd luv to be able to buy a simple flip phone that fit in my pocket
    and did nothing else except be a simpe phone and NOTHING else.

    Does it need to be a *flip* phone or is, as the subject mentions, a
    'dumb' phone what you want?

    If the latter, in our country (The Netherlands) and probably most of
    Europe (and elsewhere?), small 'dumb' phones are still for sale, for
    example the Nokia 8210 4G. Also some 'senior' phones are of the 'dumb'
    variety.

    Before smartphones, I always used - mostly Nokia - 'dumb' phones and
    they fitted easily in my - mostly shirt - pocket.

    Of course in this century, 'dumb' phones aren't that dumb anymore, but
    they are mostly oriented towards voice calls and SMS.

    <https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/914413/nokia-8210-4g-blue.html>

    --
    Frank Slootweg, proud owner of <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6310i>

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 16 15:54:44 2024
    On 16 Apr 2024 12:46:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    [email protected] wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:26:29 -0400, Alan Browne

    I'd luv to be able to buy a simple flip phone that fit in my pocket
    and did nothing else except be a simpe phone and NOTHING else.

    Does it need to be a *flip* phone or is, as the subject mentions, a
    'dumb' phone what you want?


    I want a flip phone that is small in size, folds up to fit in my
    pocket, and takes up less room than does my wallet. Forget e-mail and
    all the spam crapola that comes from such. Also, I don't need
    "texting". If I have something to say to someone, I *say* it, not
    type it. That's what a phone originally was supposed to do.

    The fact that I'm 90 years of age might somewhat explain my choice of
    phones.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Apr 17 11:15:15 2024
    [email protected] wrote:
    On 16 Apr 2024 12:46:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    [email protected] wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:26:29 -0400, Alan Browne

    I'd luv to be able to buy a simple flip phone that fit in my pocket
    and did nothing else except be a simpe phone and NOTHING else.

    Does it need to be a *flip* phone or is, as the subject mentions, a
    'dumb' phone what you want?

    I want a flip phone that is small in size, folds up to fit in my
    pocket, and takes up less room than does my wallet. Forget e-mail and
    all the spam crapola that comes from such. Also, I don't need
    "texting". If I have something to say to someone, I *say* it, not
    type it. That's what a phone originally was supposed to do.

    The fact that I'm 90 years of age might somewhat explain my choice of
    phones.

    If that's what you want, then why don't you just *buy* one!?

    I don't know where you live, but I did a quick search on "simple flip
    phone" and get tons of results/choices, including 4G ones, in case your
    network requires a 4G phone.

    Amongst the results are worldwide suppliers like Amazon, so go for it!

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Wed Apr 17 22:41:04 2024
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    On 15.04.2024 02:14, Lou Bricano wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:26 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-04-14 17:08, stan wrote:
    AI

    Yes.  This will kill smartphones.  Short the Apple and Samsung stock now!  Plow
    your proceeds into DJT!  That's the winner!

    --
    “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
     nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
    - Charles de Gaulle.

    That's a great quote from de Gaulle, and it describes Trump and his stooges perfectly.

    +1

    --
    "Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

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  • From Danart@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 00:30:01 2024
    stan wrote:
    AI will help accelerate this trend. It's already becoming
    annoying. Who
    needs 100 different AI sources pushing their crap in your face
    every
    minute?

    Will Stults spent too much time on his iPhone, doom-scrolling the
    site
    formerly known as Twitter and tweeting angrily at Elon Musk as if
    the
    billionaire would actually notice. Stults�s partner, Daisy
    Krigbaum, was
    addicted to Pinterest and YouTube, bingeing videos on her iPhone
    before
    going to sleep. Two years ago, they both tried Apple�s Screen Time restriction tool and found it too easy to disable, so the pair
    decided to
    trade out their iPhones for more low-tech devices. They�d heard
    about so-
    called dumbphones, which lacked the kinds of bells and whistles�a
    high-
    resolution screen, an app store, a video camera�that made
    smartphones so
    addictive. But they found the process of acquiring one hard to
    navigate.
    �The information on it was kind of disparate and hard to get to. A
    lot of
    people who know the most about dumbphones spend the least time
    online,�
    Krigbaum said. A certain irony presented itself: figuring out a way
    to be
    less online required aggressive online digging.

    The couple�Stults is twenty-nine, and Krigbaum is twenty-five�saw a

    business opportunity. �If somebody could condense it and simplify
    it to
    the best options, maybe more people would make the switch,�
    Krigbaum said.
    In late 2022, they launched an e-commerce company, Dumbwireless, to
    sell
    phones, data plans, and accessories for people who want to reduce
    time
    spent on their screens. This wasn�t Stults�s first attempt at entrepreneurship; his past efforts included a made-in-America
    clothing
    brand in Colorado (�That went under,� he said) and a coffee shop in
    the
    back of an ill-attended Hollywood comedy club (�A doomed
    enterprise,�
    Krigbaum said). Dumbwireless, however, has been much more
    successful.

    The couple�s home, in East Los Angeles, has turned into a kind of
    dumbphone emporium, with five hundred boxed devices stacked up in
    what was
    supposed to be a dining room. Stults takes business calls on his
    personal
    cell, and on one recent morning the first call came at 5 a.m. (As
    the lead
    on customer service, he has to use a smartphone�go figure.) They
    pack each
    order by hand, sometimes with handwritten notes. They have not yet
    quit
    their day jobs, which are in the service industry, but Dumbwireless
    sold
    more than seventy thousand dollars� worth of products last month,
    ten
    times more than in March, 2023. Krigbaum and Stults noticed an
    acceleration in sales last October, which they speculate may have
    had
    something to do with the onslaught of holiday-shopping season. Some
    of
    their popular phone offerings include the Light Phone, an e-ink
    device
    with almost no apps; the Nokia 2780, a traditional flip phone; and
    the
    Punkt., a calculator-ish Swiss device that looks like something
    designed
    for Neo to carry in �The Matrix� (which, to be fair, is a movie of
    the
    dumbphone era).

    The growing dumbphone fervor may be motivated, in part, by the
    discourse
    around child safety online. Parents are increasingly confronted
    with
    evidence that sites like Instagram and TikTok intentionally try to
    hook
    their children. Using those sites can increase teens� anxiety and
    lower
    their self-esteem, according to some studies, and smartphones make
    it so
    that kids are logged on constantly. Why should this situation be
    any
    healthier for adults? After almost two decades with iPhones, the
    public
    seems to be experiencing a collective ennui with digital life. So
    many
    hours of each day are lived through our portable, glowing screens,
    but the
    Internet isn�t even fun anymore. We lack the self-control to wean
    ourselves off, so we crave devices that actively prevent us from
    getting
    sucked into them. That means opting out of the prevailing
    technology and
    into what Cal Newport, a contributing writer for The New Yorker,
    has
    called a more considered �digital minimalism.�

    The Light Phone d�buted in 2017, before smartphone exhaustion
    became a
    mainstream ailment. The company�s co-founders, Kaiwei Tang and Joe
    Hollier, have sold tens of thousands of phones. The Light Phone II,

    released in 2019, features a monochrome touch screen that allows
    users to
    make calls, send text messages, and use a few custom apps: an alarm
    and
    timer, a calendar, directions, notes, music and podcast libraries.
    There
    are no social-media apps or streaming apps. �The point is to create
    useful
    utility that does not have the attention economy built in,� Tang
    said.
    Like Dumbwireless, Light Phone has recently been experiencing a
    surge in
    demand. From 2022 to 2023, its revenue doubled, and it is on track
    to
    double again in 2024, the founders told me. Hollier pointed to
    Jonathan
    Haidt�s new book, �The Anxious Generation,� about the adverse
    effects of
    smartphones on adolescents. Light Phone is receiving increased
    inquiries
    and bulk-order requests from churches, schools, and after-school
    programs.
    In September, 2022, the company began a partnership with a private
    school
    in Williamstown, Massachusetts, to provide Light Phones to the
    institution�s staff members and students; smartphones are now
    prohibited
    on campus. According to the school, the experiment has had a
    salutary
    effect both on student classroom productivity and on campus social
    life.
    Tang told me, �We�re talking to twenty to twenty-five schools now.�

    To Tang and Hollier�s surprise, some of the most willing Light
    Phone
    converts are Gen Z-ers. Some of them are younger than the iPhone.
    Digital
    technology has been an inevitable feature of their lives, yet they
    are
    also better equipped, or better motivated, than generations past to

    confront its negative impacts. Apple recently allowed third-party
    developers to write software that accesses the iPhone�s Screen Time

    function, meaning that some new programs can now help users limit
    their
    screen time by blocking apps. T. J. Driver and Zach Nasgowitz, two
    engineers in their early twenties, took advantage of this change to
    create
    an iPhone accessory called Brick, to fight their own excessive
    phone
    usage. Brick, which launched in September of 2023, is a magnetized
    plastic
    cube with a corresponding app that allows you to select which
    features you
    want to block on your smartphone. Tapping the brick activates or
    lifts the
    blockage. Driver and Nasgowitz started with one 3-D printer to
    produce the
    accessories; now they have fifteen machines running around the
    clock and
    are shipping a few hundred products a day.

    There is no one dumbphone solution for everyone. Each digital
    addict is
    addicted in her own way. Stults, of Dumbwireless, uses an app
    called
    Unpluq, which works similarly to Brick, blocking specific apps from
    his
    smartphone while allowing him to maintain the store�s
    customer-service
    channels, including e-mail and Shopify. Krigbaum has been a
    committed
    Light Phone user for the past two years. She said that she doesn�t
    miss
    her smartphone, but that her new device can cause some awkwardness
    when
    she meets other young people who ask how to keep in touch. They
    mean on
    social media, of course; for the vast swath of Gen Z-ers who don�t
    use
    dumbphones, exchanging numbers to text message or, God forbid, call
    seems
    archaic. �I�ve been saying, �I guess I�ll see you if I see you,� �
    Krigbaum said.

    When I want to escape from my iPhone, I pop the sim card out
    (which,
    unfortunately, is not possible on some newer iPhones) and install
    it in a
    red Nokia 2780 flip phone�the closing snap of which brings me back
    instantly to my high-school days, when flip phones were cutting
    edge.
    After the surprisingly easy switching process, I take the simple
    device
    with me on my daily walks with my dog. If I had my smartphone in
    hand, I�d
    be refreshing Instagram or compulsively checking my e-mail while my
    hound
    does her business or sniffs tree trunks. With the Nokia, I�ve cut
    myself
    off from such meaningless digital stimuli but preserved my ability
    to
    answer texts or phone calls if necessary. (I�m too much of a
    millennial to
    actually leave the house without any phone.) I find myself looking
    more at
    my surroundings, which are particularly enjoyable in springtime,
    and I am
    more relaxed when I return from the excursions. When I switch the
    sim card
    back into my iPhone, the device seems momentarily absurd: an
    enormous
    screen filled with infinite entertainment and information that
    follows me
    wherever I go. Then I open all my usual apps in quick
    succession�e-mail,
    Instagram, Slack�to see what I�ve missed. ?


    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/the-dumbphone-boom-is-
    real

    Welll not really. It is because why do I need a PC in
    my life.

    I do not mind using outdated phones because a "Dumb-phone"
    could just be a computer as well.

    Like you could plug it into a device and access a display and make
    changes or use the device as a computing tool.

    In terms of parenting. Yes I see tons of girls.... all what look like
    donated backpacks with these monochrome phones. All huddled around the
    one smart phone watching a video. If more parents did this then things
    would be a lot better.


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