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Apple can, and will unilaterally destroy your iPhone or iPad if you don't follow Apple's walled-garden tracking rules (like VPN use when logging in).

1. Apple "ID Verification" prompts come up ten, twenty or more times a day.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>
2. Apple "Sign-in to iCloud" prompts come up a dozen or more times a day.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg>
3. Apple won't let you sign in even with the _correct_ login & password.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg>
4. The Apple web site is so poorly designed it doesn't even tell you why.
<https://i.postimg.cc/SKGfmgnK/appleid05.jpg>
5. Eventually, as it did with one of my iPads already, Apple destroys it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg>
6. On my 2nd iPad, the Apple apps stop working (but everything else works!)
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg>
7. Every single day, many times a day, you're confronted with tracking crap
such as this "Some account services require you to sign in again"
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg>
8. Interestingly, you can update your iOS (which I almost never do) as shown
here where I updated this week from iOS 13 to iOS 15 (and it let me).
<https://i.postimg.cc/nLjqk2HD/osupdate03.jpg>
9. And you can wipe out your Siri recordings (due to the recent zero-day).
<https://i.postimg.cc/sfZ0XP71/osupdate02.jpg>
10. Yet Apple tracking servers still require "Apple ID Verification"
<https://i.postimg.cc/gj0r2cBP/osupdate01.jpg>
11. And, you can install an app, but if you delete it, you can't re-install.
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg>
12. In the end, if you attempt that forced validation on VPN, Apple
unilaterally destroys your investment by locking you out of it forever!
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg>
13. All because Apple tracking servers _require_ periodic ID verification.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg>

BTW, almost _everything_ is poorly designed at Apple, even the trust prompt.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvCnqdj4/trust01.jpg> 9:35PM PC trust established
<https://i.postimg.cc/qMzV3gqn/trust02.jpg> 9:36PM PC trust required again!

Notice Apple never bothers to tell you that the prompt will come up forever, every single time you connect to a PC that doesn't have iTunes installed!
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202778>

a. All this happens if you don't log into Apple tracking servers
periodically.
b. Or because you used VPN in the Apple-tracking "ID Verification" step.)
c. Or because you didn't install the iTunes abomination on Windows

Be advised.

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On 2022-02-18, nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:

In article <suomre$83r$[email protected]>, Andy Burnelli
<[email protected]> wrote:

Apple can, and will unilaterally destroy your iPhone or iPad

if only they would destroy yours. the sooner the better.

*slow clap*

The fact that Arlen is willfully ignorant enough to get himself locked
out of his own account for the purpose of trolling says way more about
him than anyone else. Arlen is nothing more than an ignorant
know-nothing idiot troll.

Cry harder, Arlen. : D

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nospam wrote:

Apple can, and will unilaterally destroy your iPhone or iPad

if only they would destroy yours. the sooner the better.

Do you _ever_ respond to any facts about Apple like an adult would?

These facts remain facts even though you _hate_ these facts, nospam.
a. To put any data on the iCloud is to risk losing it all. Poof! Gone.
b. To add an iCloud account is to risk Apple destroying your device.
c. Apple insists you live imprisoned inside the walled garden - or else.

These things don't happen to you only if you stay inside the walled garden.
a. If you don't frequently log into Apple tracking servers - they force it.
b. If then, when you log in, you use VPN, Apple locks you out - permanently.
c. And, if you don't use the iTunes abomination - Apple considers it unsafe.

These are facts borne out by the images I presented which you can't deny. Nobody knows the solution as the help thread has no resolution for weeks.
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The evidence is irrefutable that the walled garden is dangerous to leave!
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> Apple _locks_ you out!
<https://i.postimg.cc/SKGfmgnK/appleid05.jpg> Apple won't let you back in!

<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> Apple fails App Store test
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwN6P0QR/appleid08.jpg> Only Apple requires a login
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login

<https://i.postimg.cc/gj0r2cBP/osupdate01.jpg> iOS 13.5 to iOS 15.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/sfZ0XP71/osupdate02.jpg> Deleting Siri stuff works
<https://i.postimg.cc/nLjqk2HD/osupdate03.jpg> Even iOS updates work
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg> Can't download an app twice
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gt39Q7Pp/osupdate05.jpg> iCloud TOC is again accepted

<https://i.postimg.cc/hvCnqdj4/trust01.jpg> 9:35PM PC trust established
<https://i.postimg.cc/qMzV3gqn/trust02.jpg> 9:36PM PC trust required again! All that simply because I refused to be locked inside the walled garden.

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Andy Burnelli wrote:

[...]

Be advised.

You're a merkin (US citizen) and you are complaining about Apple
devices including tablets. So which part of the newsgroup name uk.telecom.mobile is confusing you, Arlen? You thick twat.

FU set.

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In article <suomre$83r$[email protected]>, Andy Burnelli
<[email protected]> wrote:

Apple can, and will unilaterally destroy your iPhone or iPad

if only they would destroy yours. the sooner the better.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

Cry harder

Notice the iKooks have no _adult_ response to facts they _hate_ about Apple. They're sadistic. Hateful. Vindictive. Ill educated. And always childish.

Also notice I don't care about the iOS devices as I use them to learn. Otherwise, after four years of not logging in, I would have done so.

Now what I've learned is that you can't avoid the Draconian walled garden. Apple _requires_ you to periodically establish yourself on their trackers.

Do so on VPN, for example, and Apple permanently locks you out
a. You're locked out of your own hardware
b. And you're locked out of all your own data (on the iCloud)

The fact remains if you refuse the walled garden, Apple will destroy your expensive hardware investment, and all your precious data on the iCloud.

Poof. Gone.
Simple as that.

Ask me how I know.
(See unequivocal proof in the aforementioned screenshots.)

This is knowledge others out there won't know unless I teach them this.
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On 2022-02-18 19:13:11 +0000, Steve said:

You're a merkin (US citizen) and you are complaining about Apple
devices including tablets. So which part of the newsgroup name uk.telecom.mobile is confusing you, Arlen? You thick twat.

Why are you so angry because you learned something you didn't know?

He's not complaining.
He's teaching you.

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gtr wrote:

On 2022-02-18 19:13:11 +0000, Steve said:

You're a merkin (US citizen) and you are complaining about Apple
devices including tablets. So which part of the newsgroup name uk.telecom.mobile is confusing you, Arlen? You thick twat.

Why are you so angry because you learned something you didn't know?

He's not complaining.
He's teaching you.

I'm not angry, I'm fed up with the aspie tosspot posting his shit
where it don't belong. I don't have an apple device, but if I did
I'd sub to the other groups where this on topic. It's as relevant
here in utm as it would be on a gardening newsgroup.

FU set again.
You lot are worse than Jehovah's Witnesses.

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On 2022-02-18, gtr <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2022-02-18 19:13:11 +0000, Steve said:

You're a merkin (US citizen) and you are complaining about Apple
devices including tablets. So which part of the newsgroup name
uk.telecom.mobile is confusing you, Arlen? You thick twat.

Why are you so angry because you learned something you didn't know?

He's not complaining. He's teaching you.

No, he's full of shit and trolling with a self-created "problem" in
order to reach a pre-conceived conclusion (that Apple BAD), as he does
over and over again in the Apple newsgroups (often cross-posted to
completely irrelevant newsgroups as he has also done here. The fact that
you are gullible enough to fall for it (or willingly going along with
the obvious grift) is more a reflection on your own character than
anything else.

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🙄

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On 2022-02-18 21:12:19 +0000, gtr said:

On 2022-02-18 19:13:11 +0000, Steve said:

You're a merkin (US citizen) and you are complaining about Apple
devices including tablets. So which part of the newsgroup name
uk.telecom.mobile is confusing you, Arlen? You thick twat.

Why are you so angry because you learned something you didn't know?

He's not complaining.
He's teaching you.

He's a moronic know-nothing spamming troll. Add the idiot's various ever-changing nicknames to your killfile.

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On 2/18/2022 6:49 PM, Your Name wrote:

Why are you so angry because you learned something you didn't know?

He's not complaining.
He's teaching you.

He's a moronic know-nothing spamming troll. Add the idiot's various ever-changing nicknames to your killfile.

What does your post above make you?

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In message <sup23t$3t9$[email protected]> gtr <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2022-02-18 19:13:11 +0000, Steve said:

You're a merkin (US citizen) and you are complaining about Apple
devices including tablets. So which part of the newsgroup name
uk.telecom.mobile is confusing you, Arlen? You thick twat.

Why are you so angry because you learned something you didn't know?

You are also a cunt, just like Arlen.

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nospam wrote:

the same would happen if you tried to connect to google, banks and many
other companies from a russia vpn, or even a local vpn. some companies
take security very seriously.

Wrong. Look at the pictures. You make up excuses for Apple that are garbage. The VPN happens later. Way later. Years later in fact.

What happened can happen in Windows now that they _force_ a login.
1. Apple forced a login and I gave it to them
2. Two years go by and Apple forces a _re_ validation!
3. Two years later, Apple locks up the iPads

It's in the _unlock_ step _after_ two years that I used the VPN.
And I gave it the correct login and correct password (the shots prove that).

For whatever reason, Apple didn't unlock their permanent lockup.
I don't care. They're just iPads. I have plenty of them. Two are affected.
I still have a third.

That Apple does this isn't up for debate as it's a fact what Apple does.

The question is only whether Microsoft can do the same thing to its users.
Can they?

Bear in mind there's _nothing_ wrong with my login.
Nothing wrong with my password.

except for it being disposable and you don't remember it, which you
readily admit.

1. It's the correct login and password (which the pictures prove).
2. Besides, I'm still logged into the iCloud (I never logged out).
3. It's _Apple_ who requires the _re_ validation step.

Anyway, you _hate_ all facts about Apple so you are wasting our time.
You _despise_ what Apple does so much that you lie for Apple, nospam.

This thread isn't about Apple.
It's about whether or not Microsoft will do the sleazy things Apple does.

Now that Microsoft is forcing the requirement of a login on every user.

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rabidR04CH wrote:

Agreed here.

The question in this thread isn't about Apple. It's about Microsoft.
*Can Microsoft now lock up your device if you refuse to re-validate?*

Even if we discuss Apple (which we don't need to do), nospam is wrong.
What nospam does is fabricate any excuse for what he _hates_ about Apple.

The fact is clear what Apple is trying to do (didn't you look at the pics?)
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg>

What nospam say is bullshit because he is wrong about everything he said.
Look at the screenshot above. It's clear _exactly_ what Apple wants to do.

Besides...
This isn't about iKooks' endless fabrications in support of Apple anyway.

I don't care that Apple permanently locked up my iPads in the least.
What I _learned_ is what matters for the purpose of this thread.

*Because of the required login, Apple has the power to disable your PC!*

If Apple can do it (as Apple _does_ do it), why can't Microsoft?

from one location to another through the VPN as I stated previously but
that he went from one city to another and another and another until
Apple's security triggered his behaviour as suspicious. I had the same
kind happen to me using a VPN with sports service DAZN. I was curious as
to what content was available in each country so I tried Germany,
England, the United States and so on until the service flagged my
behaviour as suspicious and, like Apple, asked me to log in again from
my original Canadian location.

You didn't look at a _single_ screenshot as that is _not_ what happened.
Look at this screenshot again which shows _exactly_ what Apple is up to.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg>

Apple wants you to _periodically_ update all your settings with them.
And that's fine as I wanted to see what happens if you refuse that demand.

Just like Finland wanted to see what happens when they refused Russia's
demands and just like the Ukraine is going to find out refusing anew.

Remember, I don't care that Apple locked up the iPads, one by one.
What I care about for this thread is whether M$ can do the same thing.

Can they?
*Can Microsoft now lock up your device if you refuse to re-validate?*

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rabidR04CH wrote:

If Apple merely locked you out because you were using a VPN

This thread isn't asking about Apple - it's asking about M$.
*With the new login requirement, _can_ Microsoft do what Apple does?*

That is, Apple _requires_ you to periodically _validate_ your login.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg>

The VPN issue happens _later_ (didn't you look at _any_ of the pics)?
Besides, it doesn't matter why Apple unilaterally destroyed my iPad.

What matters is the question in this thread now that M$ forces the login.
*Can Microsoft also lock you out of your PC in Windows 11 or not?*

quite shocking but it is probably the result of them expecting that you
would log on from one location and suddenly finding it odd that you're logging in from another at a significant distance from the first.

It has _nothing_ to do with that.

Stop listening to the bullshit that nospam spews because he _hates_ Apple.
More specifically, nospam _hates_ what Apple is so he fabricates that crap.
He will defend Apple to the death by blaming the user for everything.

If you didn't look at the pictures, at least _look_ at this one shot.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg>
The fact is clear what Apple is trying to do!

But that doesn't matter because I don't care what Apple does to my iPads.
What I want to know in this thread is whether Microsoft can do that to me.

Can they?

they know you to be a person living in Chicago, for instance, then they
would find it abnormal for you to suddenly be logging in from Miami. I imagine that you set the VPN for a different city, of course. It's hypersensitive but I imagine that a lot of users would find it
understandable as a security measure.

The VPN issue happened _two years_ after the original issues.
Didn't you _look_ at any of the screenshots?

Or do you only listen to nospam (who is a world class bullshitter).
That nospam will defend Apple to the death, no matter what.

Anyway, this isn't about Apple.
It's about Microsoft.

*Now that Microsoft requires a login, can they lock up your PC too?*

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