• folder collections

    From mechanic@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 20 16:26:35 2022
    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP
    clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside
    INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have
    ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email
    folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to
    access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but
    what's the Alpine way?

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to mechanic on Thu Jan 20 17:43:26 2022
    mechanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP
    clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside
    INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have
    ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email
    folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to
    access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but
    what's the Alpine way?

    From the main menu, S > L > A to add a collection. There's
    some trial and error involved. Don't forget to include your user name
    (probably an email address) to provide credentials to the IMAP server, user=

    The .pinerc entry is folder-collections, which is a comma-separated
    list.

    If it works right, then you'll see the whole list under L from the main
    menu but understand that there will be a noticeable delay as each server
    is contacted.

    Note also that there's no standard names for certain system folders,
    like Spam and Saved-msgs and Draft. For instance, I have "Bulk Mail" on
    one server and "Junk" on another.

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Jan 20 20:47:06 2022
    On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 17:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    mechanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP
    clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside
    INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have
    ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email
    folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to
    access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but
    what's the Alpine way?

    From the main menu, S > L > A to add a collection. There's
    some trial and error involved. Don't forget to include your user name (probably an email address) to provide credentials to the IMAP server, user=

    Yes I know that.

    The .pinerc entry is folder-collections, which is a comma-separated
    list.

    If it works right, then you'll see the whole list under L from the main
    menu but understand that there will be a noticeable delay as each server
    is contacted.

    Just the one server involved.
    I can get the list of collections but maybe I've put the wrong
    detail in 'Path' in the folder collection edit screen - I've the
    same entry under Server as in the default collection that points to
    INBOX, what I need is a pointer to 'mailboxes in the rest of the
    server outside INBOX' - if that's clear? Thanks for the response!
    Maybe it depends on the server - I've no idea which type it is.

    Note also that there's no standard names for certain system folders,
    like Spam and Saved-msgs and Draft. For instance, I have "Bulk Mail" on
    one server and "Junk" on another.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to mechanic on Thu Jan 20 21:23:40 2022
    mechanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 17:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    mechanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP
    clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside
    INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have
    ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email
    folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to >>>access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but
    what's the Alpine way?

    From the main menu, S >L >A to add a collection. There's
    some trial and error involved. Don't forget to include your user name >>(probably an email address) to provide credentials to the IMAP server, user=

    Yes I know that.

    The .pinerc entry is folder-collections, which is a comma-separated
    list.

    If it works right, then you'll see the whole list under L from the main >>menu but understand that there will be a noticeable delay as each server
    is contacted.

    Just the one server involved.
    I can get the list of collections but maybe I've put the wrong
    detail in 'Path' in the folder collection edit screen -

    I don't use Path because I typically don't have to deal with special syntax
    for the namespace nor a non-default path to folders. Read the help text
    on this entry and you'll see what I mean. I put the server and variables
    in the Server field.

    I've the
    same entry under Server as in the default collection that points to
    INBOX, what I need is a pointer to 'mailboxes in the rest of the
    server outside INBOX' - if that's clear? Thanks for the response!
    Maybe it depends on the server - I've no idea which type it is.

    It does depend on the server.

    At this point, I'll need to look at your folder-collections entry from
    your .pinerc to eyeball the syntax. Also, I'm a little suspicious that
    you accidentally specified POP3 somewhere.

    Eduardo may ask you to send him your .pinerc if you want his help.

    Note also that there's no standard names for certain system folders,
    like Spam and Saved-msgs and Draft. For instance, I have "Bulk Mail" on
    one server and "Junk" on another.

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  • From Eduardo Chappa@21:1/5 to mechanic on Thu Jan 20 20:46:29 2022
    On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, mechanic wrote:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP clients.
    In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside INBOX. which do
    not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have ended up there rather
    than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in the pinerc file. I can't see
    how to get these 'outsider' email folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to access them in order to move items
    into INBOX./savemail, or whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but what's the Alpine way?

    Can you show us the settings for this collection? I do not care about the
    name of the server, I want to see the rest.

    Thank you.

    --
    Eduardo
    https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
    http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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  • From Holger Schieferdecker@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 21 09:58:25 2022
    Am 20.01.2022 um 17:26 schrieb mechanic:
    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP
    clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside
    INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have
    ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email
    folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to
    access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but
    what's the Alpine way?

    The entry for the folder collection in my pinerc looks like the following:

    folder-collections="Collection name" {server/user=xxx/ssl}[]

    This collection shows the INBOX and all folders at the same level as the
    inbox (in parallel to the INBOX).

    Hope that helps,
    Holger

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to you on Fri Jan 21 12:44:03 2022
    On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 09:58:25 +0100, in comp.mail.pine you wrote:

    Am 20.01.2022 um 17:26 schrieb mechanic:
    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP
    clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside
    INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have
    ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email
    folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to
    access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but
    what's the Alpine way?

    The entry for the folder collection in my pinerc looks like the following:

    folder-collections="Collection name" {server/user=xxx/ssl}[]

    This collection shows the INBOX and all folders at the same level as the inbox (in parallel to the INBOX).

    Hope that helps,
    Holger

    folder-collections="Posteo.de folders" {posteo.de/user=******@posteo.de/tls}INBOX.[],
    all_folders {posteo.de/user=*****@posteo.de/tls}/[[]][]

    -- that's one entry for the original default INBOX folders and a
    second one that I tried various settings for but without success.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to mechanic on Fri Jan 21 18:02:47 2022
    mechanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 09:58:25 +0100, in comp.mail.pine you wrote:
    Am 20.01.2022 um 17:26 schrieb mechanic:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP
    clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside
    INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have
    ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email
    folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to >>>access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but
    what's the Alpine way?

    The entry for the folder collection in my pinerc looks like the following:

    folder-collections="Collection name" {server/user=xxx/ssl}[]

    This collection shows the INBOX and all folders at the same level as the >>inbox (in parallel to the INBOX).

    folder-collections="Posteo.de folders" >{posteo.de/user=******@posteo.de/tls}INBOX.[],
    all_folders {posteo.de/user=*****@posteo.de/tls}/[[]][]

    -- that's one entry for the original default INBOX folders and a
    second one that I tried various settings for but without success.

    "[[]][]" doesn't make sense. Try "[]"

    To access Gmail pseudofolders, I use "[[Gmail]]/[]" but that's probably
    not the model the site you are access uses.

    Also, verify that the site wants tls and not ssl.

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  • From Eduardo Chappa@21:1/5 to mechanic on Fri Jan 21 19:26:48 2022
    On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, mechanic wrote:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP clients.
    In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside INBOX. which do
    not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have ended up there rather
    than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in the pinerc file. I can't see
    how to get these 'outsider' email folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to access them in order to move items
    into INBOX./savemail, or whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but what's the Alpine way?

    Something I've been wondering is why there is a slash "/" after "INBOX."
    That does not make much sense to me. You should be accessing
    INBOX.savemail, not INBOX./savemail. Who is adding the slash there, you
    or Alpine?

    Thank you.

    --
    Eduardo
    https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
    http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 22 10:47:36 2022
    On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:02:47 -0000 (UTC), in comp.mail.pine you
    wrote:

    mechanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 09:58:25 +0100, in comp.mail.pine you wrote:
    Am 20.01.2022 um 17:26 schrieb mechanic:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP >>>>clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside >>>>INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have >>>>ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email
    folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to >>>>access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but
    what's the Alpine way?

    The entry for the folder collection in my pinerc looks like the following:

    folder-collections="Collection name" {server/user=xxx/ssl}[]

    This collection shows the INBOX and all folders at the same level as the >>>inbox (in parallel to the INBOX).

    folder-collections="Posteo.de folders" >>{posteo.de/user=******@posteo.de/tls}INBOX.[],
    all_folders {posteo.de/user=*****@posteo.de/tls}/[[]][]

    -- that's one entry for the original default INBOX folders and a
    second one that I tried various settings for but without success.

    "[[]][]" doesn't make sense. Try "[]"

    To access Gmail pseudofolders, I use "[[Gmail]]/[]" but that's probably
    not the model the site you are access uses.

    Also, verify that the site wants tls and not ssl.

    Thanks Adam, after trying various settings again I put the '[]' into
    the 'Folder Collection Edit' screen and restarted Alpine; this
    worked ok. Checking that screen after restart the system deleted the
    Path line but the pinerc file now shows the collections line as
    quoted above, and these extra folders now show up.

    I'm not sure where these other mailboxes came from, I suspect they
    are due to other email clients I've used, with the same server
    setup. A few items in one of these but nothing of consequence.

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to you on Sat Jan 22 10:32:32 2022
    On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 19:26:48 -0700, in comp.mail.pine you wrote:

    On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, mechanic wrote:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP clients.
    In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside INBOX. which do
    not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have ended up there rather
    than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in the pinerc file. I can't see
    how to get these 'outsider' email folders to show up in the folder
    collections page - I would like to access them in order to move items
    into INBOX./savemail, or whatever. I guess I could make these changes in
    Claws Mail, but what's the Alpine way?

    Something I've been wondering is why there is a slash "/" after "INBOX."
    That does not make much sense to me. You should be accessing
    INBOX.savemail, not INBOX./savemail. Who is adding the slash there, you
    or Alpine?

    Thank you.

    That was just me, writing the path down without thinking!

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Jan 22 22:36:05 2022
    mechanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:02:47 -0000 (UTC), in comp.mail.pine you
    wrote:

    mechanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 09:58:25 +0100, in comp.mail.pine you wrote:
    Am 20.01.2022 um 17:26 schrieb mechanic:

    I notice the mail folder displays are different in various IMAP >>>>>clients. In Claws Mail for instance I have some mailboxes outside >>>>>INBOX. which do not show up in Alpine. Some saved email items have >>>>>ended up there rather than in INBOX./savemail which is defined in
    the pinerc file. I can't see how to get these 'outsider' email >>>>>folders to show up in the folder collections page - I would like to >>>>>access them in order to move items into INBOX./savemail, or
    whatever. I guess I could make these changes in Claws Mail, but >>>>>what's the Alpine way?

    The entry for the folder collection in my pinerc looks like the following: >>
    folder-collections="Collection name" {server/user=xxx/ssl}[]

    This collection shows the INBOX and all folders at the same level as the >>>>inbox (in parallel to the INBOX).

    folder-collections="Posteo.de folders" >>>{posteo.de/user=******@posteo.de/tls}INBOX.[],
    all_folders {posteo.de/user=*****@posteo.de/tls}/[[]][]

    -- that's one entry for the original default INBOX folders and a
    second one that I tried various settings for but without success.

    "[[]][]" doesn't make sense. Try "[]"

    To access Gmail pseudofolders, I use "[[Gmail]]/[]" but that's probably
    not the model the site you are access uses.

    Also, verify that the site wants tls and not ssl.

    Thanks Adam, after trying various settings again I put the '[]' into
    the 'Folder Collection Edit' screen and restarted Alpine; this
    worked ok.

    If you use the built-in editor, don't put brackets in. The editor adds
    them for you. That might result in doubling them.

    Checking that screen after restart the system deleted the
    Path line but the pinerc file now shows the collections line as
    quoted above, and these extra folders now show up.

    Excellent!

    I'm not sure where these other mailboxes came from, I suspect they
    are due to other email clients I've used, with the same server
    setup. A few items in one of these but nothing of consequence.

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