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    From Rob Pyott@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 3 15:32:47 2021
    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not sent. Need MAIL command."

    Does this ring any bells?

    Thank you, --Rob

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Rob Pyott on Thu Mar 4 02:10:04 2021
    On 04/03/2021 00.32, Rob Pyott wrote:
    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not sent. Need MAIL command."

    Does this ring any bells?

    In Linux, there should be a command named "mail". I don't know in what
    cases Alpine would use it, or if it would use it at all.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From William Unruh@21:1/5 to Rob Pyott on Thu Mar 4 01:39:13 2021
    On 2021-03-03, Rob Pyott <[email protected]> wrote:
    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not sent. Need MAIL command."

    MAIL suggests an variable. Perhaps it means the sendmail command.
    Look in pinerc and see what the
    sendmail_path=
    says. Ie, you may not have the equivalent of sendmail on your system.

    Does this ring any bells?

    Thank you, --Rob

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  • From Rob Pyott@21:1/5 to William Unruh on Wed Mar 3 18:41:10 2021
    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:39:15 PM UTC-5, William Unruh wrote:
    On 2021-03-03, Rob Pyott <[email protected]> wrote:
    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not sent. Need MAIL command."
    MAIL suggests an variable. Perhaps it means the sendmail command.
    Look in pinerc and see what the
    sendmail_path=
    says. Ie, you may not have the equivalent of sendmail on your system.

    Does this ring any bells?

    Thank you, --Rob
    Well, I didn't have sendmail! I installed it. Now Alpine tries to send, but returns the error "recipients name must be specified." Pointers...? Thx.

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  • From Eduardo Chappa@21:1/5 to Rob Pyott on Wed Mar 3 22:21:20 2021
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021, Rob Pyott wrote:

    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not
    sent. Need MAIL command."

    Does this ring any bells?

    That is your smtp server giving you that error.

    Press M S C and enable

    [X] Enable Verbose SMTP Posting

    then exit and save the change in configuration, and repeat the error (do
    not use sendmail). After you have repeated the error, press M J D 9
    and look for lines that start with the string "IMAP DEBUG" that show the transaction between Alpine and the SMTP server. That will tell you what
    the error was. If you cannot distinguish the error, post the output of the relevant lines, and we will be able to tell you what the error was.

    Thank you.

    --
    Eduardo
    https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
    http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Thu Mar 4 09:30:04 2021
    On 04/03/2021 02.10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 00.32, Rob Pyott wrote:
    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not sent. Need MAIL command."

    Does this ring any bells?

    In Linux, there should be a command named "mail". I don't know in what

    The package is usually called mailx that provides the mail command.


    --

    //Aho

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Rob Pyott on Thu Mar 4 15:39:35 2021
    On 04/03/2021 03.41, Rob Pyott wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:39:15 PM UTC-5, William Unruh wrote:
    On 2021-03-03, Rob Pyott <[email protected]> wrote:
    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not sent. Need MAIL command."
    MAIL suggests an variable. Perhaps it means the sendmail command.
    Look in pinerc and see what the
    sendmail_path=
    says. Ie, you may not have the equivalent of sendmail on your system.

    Does this ring any bells?

    Thank you, --Rob
    Well, I didn't have sendmail! I installed it. Now Alpine tries to send, but returns the error "recipients name must be specified." Pointers...?

    You actually installed the "sendmail" package? Wow, almost nobody uses
    that one. Notice that it will not work unless you configure it.

    Typically people nowdays uses postfix, which includes a sendmail program
    which does what is expected of it without being really sendmail. Even in
    that case, postfix also needs to be configured. Depending on the
    distribution, it will only work for internal mail inside the LAN, not
    Internet.


    I have, in .pinerc:

    # List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail. smtp-server=localhost

    ...

    # This names the path to an alternative program, and any necessary
    arguments,
    # to be used in posting mail messages. Example:
    # /usr/lib/sendmail -oem -t -oi
    # or,
    # /usr/local/bin/sendit.sh
    # The latter a script found in Pine distribution's contrib/util directory.
    # NOTE: The program MUST read the message to be posted on standard input,
    # AND operate in the style of sendmail's "-t" option.
    sendmail-path=




    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to J.O. Aho on Thu Mar 4 15:34:12 2021
    On 04/03/2021 09.30, J.O. Aho wrote:

    On 04/03/2021 02.10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 00.32, Rob Pyott wrote:
    One more issue  :)  When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail
    not sent.  Need MAIL command."

    Does this ring any bells?

    In Linux, there should be a command named "mail". I don't know in what

    The package is usually called mailx that provides the mail command.

    Yes, openSUSE replaced "mail" with the mailx implementation long ago.
    Initially we had mailx as an option, then as a replacement by default. I
    think I was one of the people suggesting this.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Thu Mar 4 17:40:24 2021
    On 04/03/2021 15.39, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 03.41, Rob Pyott wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:39:15 PM UTC-5, William Unruh wrote:
    On 2021-03-03, Rob Pyott <[email protected]> wrote:
    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not sent. Need MAIL command."
    MAIL suggests an variable. Perhaps it means the sendmail command.
    Look in pinerc and see what the
    sendmail_path=
    says. Ie, you may not have the equivalent of sendmail on your system.

    Does this ring any bells?

    Thank you, --Rob
    Well, I didn't have sendmail! I installed it. Now Alpine tries to send, but returns the error "recipients name must be specified." Pointers...?

    You actually installed the "sendmail" package? Wow, almost nobody uses
    that one. Notice that it will not work unless you configure it.

    For sending, sendmail comes with a default configuration, it's if you
    use it as MTA that you will need to configure it.


    Typically people nowdays uses postfix, which includes a sendmail program which does what is expected of it without being really sendmail.

    Each SMTP server provides their own version of sendmail replacement
    which is more or less option compatible with sendmail.

    Even in
    that case, postfix also needs to be configured. Depending on the distribution, it will only work for internal mail inside the LAN, not Internet.

    Not even that, as it will only listen to 127.0.0.1


    --

    //Aho

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  • From William Unruh@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Fri Mar 5 01:45:19 2021
    On 2021-03-04, Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 09.30, J.O. Aho wrote:

    On 04/03/2021 02.10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 00.32, Rob Pyott wrote:
    One more issue  :)  When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail
    not sent.  Need MAIL command."

    Does this ring any bells?

    In Linux, there should be a command named "mail". I don't know in what

    The package is usually called mailx that provides the mail command.

    Yes, openSUSE replaced "mail" with the mailx implementation long ago. Initially we had mailx as an option, then as a replacement by default. I think I was one of the people suggesting this.

    Except I do not think that his problem has anything to do with the mail
    or mailx command.MAIL (all capitols) is usually some sort of environment
    of local variable, not a command.

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  • From Rob Pyott@21:1/5 to Eduardo Chappa on Thu Mar 4 18:17:23 2021
    Here's the "Need MAIL Command" debug file. I took some parts out. I think the SEND portion is after a two-line break I inserted.

    I'm afraid it doesn't mean anything to me... Grateful for your support as usual!


    IMAP DEBUG 20:49:58 3/4: * OK [CAPABILITY XAPPLEPUSHSERVICE IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 SASL-IR AUTH=ATOKEN AUTH=PLAIN] (2104B55-b52
    def638b9f) st43p00im-tygg09060501.me.com
    IMAP DEBUG 20:49:58 3/4: 00000000 AUTHENTICATE PLAIN
    mm_login_work trial=0 user=pyott service=imap port=993
    mm_login: using non-default port=:993
    mm_login: host=[17.42.251.32]:993
    mm_login: orighost=imap.mail.me.com:993
    imap_get_passwd: checking user=pyott alt=1 host=[17.42.251.32]:993, imap.mail.me.com:993
    imap_get_passwd: no match
    read_passfile
    Looking for passfile "/home/arp/.pine-passfile"
    === optionally_enter called ===
    utf8string:"" y:0 x:-3 length: 1025 append: 0
    passwd:1 utf8prompt:"Enter password of key <MasterPassword> to unlock password file: " label:""
    suspend_busy_cue
    0 ^G Help 2
    1 ^C Cancel 0
    2 (null) xxx 16
    3 Ret Accept 13
    4 (null) (null) 26
    5 (null) (null) 26
    6 (null) (null) 40
    7 (null) (null) 40
    8 (null) (null) 53
    9 (null) (null) 53
    10 (null) (null) 66
    11 (null) (null) 66
    row: -2, real_row: 22, column: 0
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    Read char returning: <hidden char>
    resume_busy_cue
    imap_set_passwd
    imap_set_passwd: user=pyott altflag=1
    imap_set_passwd: host=[17.42.251.56]:993
    imap_set_passwd: host=imap.mail.me.com:993
    imap_set_passwd
    imap_set_passwd: user=[email protected] altflag=1
    imap_set_passwd: host=[17.42.251.41]:587
    imap_set_passwd: host=smtp.mail.me.com:587
    imap_set_passwd
    imap_set_passwd: user=pyott altflag=1
    imap_set_passwd: host=[17.42.251.32]
    imap_set_passwd: host=imap.mail.me.com
    imap_get_passwd: checking user=pyott alt=1 host=[17.42.251.32]:993, imap.mail.me.com:993
    imap_get_passwd: match
    imap_set_passwd
    imap_set_passwd: user=pyott altflag=1
    imap_set_passwd: host=[17.42.251.32]:993
    imap_set_passwd: host=imap.mail.me.com:993
    mm_login: found a password in passfile to try
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:02 3/4: <suppressed>
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000000 OK user pyott authenticated imap_cmd({imap.mail.me.com/user=pyott:993/ssl}inbox, CAPABILITY, 0x0)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000001 CAPABILITY
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * CAPABILITY XAPPLEPUSHSERVICE IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 CONDSTORE ENABLE QRESYNC QUOTA NAMESPACE UIDPLUS
    CHILDREN BINARY UNSELECT SORT CATENATE URLAUTH LANGUAGE ESEARCH ESORT
    THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES CONTEXT=S
    EARCH CONTEXT=SORT WITHIN SASL-IR SEARCHRES METADATA ID XMSEARCH X-SUN-SORT ANNOTATE-EXPERIMENT-1 X-UNAUTHENTICATE X-SUN
    -IMAP XUM1 MULTISEARCH IDLE
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000001 OK Completed imap_cmd({imap.mail.me.com/user=pyott:993/ssl}inbox, ID, 0x0)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000002 ID ("name" "alpine" "version" "2.24")
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * ID ("name" "iCloud Mail" "version" "2103B209")
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000002 OK ID completed (took 0 ms) imap_cmd({imap.mail.me.com/user=pyott:993/ssl}inbox, SELECT, 0x0)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000003 SELECT inbox
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * 230 EXISTS
    === mm_exists(230,{imap.mail.me.com/user=pyott:993/ssl}inbox) called ===
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * OK [UNSEEN 223]
    IMAP 20:50:03 3/4 mm_notify babble:
    {imap.mail.me.com/user=pyott:993/ssl}inbox: [UNSEEN 223]
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1218223843]
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * OK [UIDNEXT 98450]
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen \Recent $MailFlagBit0 $MailFlagBit1 $MailFlag
    Bit2 $Forwarded Redirected $NotJunk NotJunk)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen \Recent $MailFlagBit0 $MailFlagB
    it1 $MailFlagBit2 $Forwarded Redirected $NotJunk NotJunk \*)]
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000003 OK [READ-WRITE] SELECT completed (took 15
    ms)
    pine_mail_open: mail_open returns stream:
    original_mailbox={imap.mail.me.com/user=pyott:993/ssl}inbox
    mailbox={imap.mail.me.com.akadns.net:993/imap/nostarttls/ssl/user="pyott"}inbo
    x
    driver=imap rdonly=0 halfopen=0 secure=0 nmsgs=230 recent=0
    pine_mail_open: next TAG 00000004 sp_flag({imap.mail.me.com.akadns.net:993/imap/nostarttls/ssl/user="pyott"}inbox,
    0x37000000): set SP_LOCKED SP_PERMLOCKE
    D SP_INBOX SP_USERFLDR SP_USEPOOL
    pine_mail_open: reset: ref cnt set to 1 sp_add({imap.mail.me.com.akadns.net:993/imap/nostarttls/ssl/user="pyott"}inbox, 67108864)
    sp_add: allocate more space, using new slot 0
    Opened folder 0x5602a2582a50 "{imap.mail.me.com.akadns.net:993/imap/nostarttls/ssl/user="pyott"}inbox" (context: "{imap.
    mail.me.com/ssl/user=pyott}%s")
    Opened folder "{imap.mail.me.com.akadns.net:993/imap/nostarttls/ssl/user="pyott"}inbox"
    with 230 messages
    any_patterns(0x100010)
    open_any_patterns(0x100010)
    any_patterns(0x1810)
    any_patterns(0x1010)
    cancel_busy_cue(0)
    stop_after(join=0) tid=42a03980
    process_filter_patterns(stream=inbox, recent=0)
    any_patterns(0x80010)
    open_any_patterns(0x80010)
    cleanup_after() tid=3e2e4700
    q_status_message(Opening "INBOX" DONE)
    any_patterns(0x100010)
    Sorting by Arrival
    imap_cmd(INBOX, SEARCH, 0x1)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000004 SEARCH UNANSWERED UNDELETED UNSEEN
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: * SEARCH 223 224 225 229 230
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000004 OK SEARCH completed (took 30 ms) q_status_message(Folder "INBOX" opened with 230 messages - 5 new) any_patterns(0x100010)
    imap_cmd(INBOX, SEARCH, 0x1)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:03 3/4: 00000005 SEARCH UNDELETED FLAGGED
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:04 3/4: 00000005 OK SEARCH completed (took 17 ms) First_sorted_flagged didn't find a winner, look for undeleted
    imap_cmd(INBOX, SEARCH, 0x1)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:04 3/4: 00000006 SEARCH UNDELETED
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:04 3/4: * SEARCH 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
    18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
    33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57
    58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72
    73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97
    98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 10
    9 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127
    128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 13
    9 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157
    158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 16
    9 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187
    188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 19
    9 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217
    218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 22
    9 230
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:04 3/4: 00000006 OK SEARCH completed (took 37 ms) First_sorted_flagged returning winner = 230
    First_sorted_flagged returning winner = 230


    imap_cmd(INBOX, LIST, 0x0)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:22 3/4: 00000008 LIST "" "Sent Messages"
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: * LIST () "/" "Sent Messages"
    mm_list "{imap.mail.me.com/user=pyott:993/ssl}Sent Messages": delim: '/',
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 00000008 OK LIST completed (took 88 ms) cancel_busy_cue(-1)
    stop_after(join=0) tid=42a03980
    Sending mail...
    q_status_message(Sending mail | |)
    output_message(Sending mail | |)
    Sending mail | |
    start_after() created 3e2e4700: done
    call_mailer: via TCP
    IMAP 20:50:23 3/4 mm_log babble: Trying IP address [17.42.251.41]
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 220 iCloud SMTP - st43p00im-ztdg10061801.me.com
    3.4.7 (2007B210-fd57bebd7148)
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: EHLO AEPmac
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-st43p00im-ztdg10061801.me.com
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-PIPELINING
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-SIZE 28311552
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-ETRN
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-STARTTLS
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-8BITMIME
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-DSN
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250 CHUNKING
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: STARTTLS
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: EHLO AEPmac
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-st43p00im-ztdg10061801.me.com
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-PIPELINING
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-SIZE 28311552
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-ETRN
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN ATOKEN
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-8BITMIME
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250-DSN
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 250 CHUNKING
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: AUTH PLAIN
    mm_login_work trial=0 user=[email protected] service=smtp port=587
    mm_login: using non-default port=:587
    mm_login: host=[17.42.251.41]:587
    mm_login: orighost=smtp.mail.me.com:587
    imap_get_passwd: checking user=[email protected] alt=1
    host=[17.42.251.41]:587, smtp.mail.me.com:587
    imap_get_passwd: no match
    imap_get_passwd: checking user=[email protected] alt=1
    host=[17.42.251.41]:587, smtp.mail.me.com:587
    imap_get_passwd: match
    imap_set_passwd
    imap_set_passwd: user=[email protected] altflag=1
    imap_set_passwd: host=[17.42.251.41]:587
    imap_set_passwd: host=smtp.mail.me.com:587
    mm_login: found a password in passfile to try
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: <suppressed>
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 235 2.7.0 Authentication successful (CKUSER)
    Opened SMTP server "smtp.mail.me.com.akadns.net"
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: MAIL FROM:<[email protected]>
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 550 5.7.0 From address is not one of your addresses IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: RCPT TO:<[email protected]>
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:24 3/4: 503 5.5.1 Error: need MAIL command
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:24 3/4: RSET
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:25 3/4: 250 2.0.0 Ok
    Mail not sent. Sending error: 554 One or more recipients failed
    Send Error: "503 5.5.1 Error: need MAIL command"
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:25 3/4: QUIT
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:26 3/4: 221 2.0.0 Bye
    cancel_busy_cue(0)
    stop_after(join=0) tid=42a03980
    q_status_message(Mail not sent: Error: need MAIL command)
    call_mailer ERROR: Mail not sent: Error: need MAIL command
    Send failed, continuing
    cleanup_after() tid=3e2e4700
    Error: need MAIL command)
    ---- COMPOSER ----
    fix_windsize()
    new win size -----<24 80>------
    STATUS: diff:4, displayed: 1614909026, now: 1614909026
    output_message(Mail not sent: Error: need MAIL command)
    Mail not sent: Error: need MAIL command
    New_mail_count zeroed
    new mail called (force=0 VeryBad flags=0x7)
    INBOX: force=0 interval=15 exp_reap_to=180 adj_idle_to=1650
    since_last_ping=7 since_last_reap=7
    ******** new mail returning -1 ********
    fix_windsize()
    new win size -----<24 80>------
    suspend_busy_cue
    0 ? Help 1
    1 ^C Cancel 0
    2 C Confirm 13
    3 N [No] 13
    4 26
    5 (null) (null) 26
    6 (null) (null) 40
    7 (null) (null) 40
    8 (null) (null) 53
    9 (null) (null) 53
    10 (null) (null) 66
    11 (null) (null) 66
    row: -2, real_row: 22, column: 0
    Read char returning: 0x63 c
    Want_to read: c (0x63)
    resume_busy_cue
    ... composer returns (0x2)
    fix_windsize()
    new win size -----<24 80>------
    init_signals()
    busy_cue(Busy, (nil), 1)
    start_after() created 3e2e4700: done
    busy_cue(Busy, (nil), 1)
    busy_cue(Busy, (nil), 1)
    cancel_busy_cue(-1)
    stop_after(join=0) tid=42a03980
    pine_send:CANCEL handling
    00
    -- pine_rfc822_output
    busy_cue(Busy, (nil), 1)
    start_after() created 3e2e4700: done
    -- pine_encode_body: 0
    -- pine_rfc822_output_body: 0
    -- pine_rfc822_output_body: segment 20 bytes
    -- gf_reset local_nvtnl
    -- gf_pipe:
    done.
    cancel_busy_cue(-1)
    stop_after(join=0) tid=42a03980
    busy_cue(Saving to "/home/arp/dead.letter", (nil), 1)
    cleanup_after() tid=3e2e4700
    0: done
    -- gf_reset nvtnl_local
    -- gf_pipe:
    done.
    cancel_busy_cue(-1)
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    On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:21:23 AM UTC-5, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021, Rob Pyott wrote:

    One more issue :) When I try to send mail, I get the error "Mail not
    sent. Need MAIL command."

    Does this ring any bells?
    That is your smtp server giving you that error.

    Press M S C and enable

    [X] Enable Verbose SMTP Posting

    then exit and save the change in configuration, and repeat the error (do
    not use sendmail). After you have repeated the error, press M J D 9
    and look for lines that start with the string "IMAP DEBUG" that show the transaction between Alpine and the SMTP server. That will tell you what
    the error was. If you cannot distinguish the error, post the output of the relevant lines, and we will be able to tell you what the error was.

    Thank you.

    --
    Eduardo
    https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
    http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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  • From Eduardo Chappa@21:1/5 to William Unruh on Thu Mar 4 21:59:44 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021, William Unruh wrote:

    Yes, openSUSE replaced "mail" with the mailx implementation long ago.
    Initially we had mailx as an option, then as a replacement by default.
    I think I was one of the people suggesting this.

    Except I do not think that his problem has anything to do with the mail
    or mailx command.MAIL (all capitols) is usually some sort of environment
    of local variable, not a command.

    I agree that this has nothing to do with the mail or mailx command, but
    this also does not have to do with environment variables. MAIL is a SMTP command:

    https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321#page-19

    --
    Eduardo
    https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
    http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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  • From Eduardo Chappa@21:1/5 to Rob Pyott on Thu Mar 4 22:34:46 2021
    On Thu, 4 Mar 2021, Rob Pyott wrote:

    Here's the "Need MAIL Command" debug file. I took some parts out. I
    think the SEND portion is after a two-line break I inserted.

    There was an error when you attempted to send the message, and Alpine
    continued as if that command had been successful.

    You are trying to send email as "[email protected]" instead of
    [email protected]. You need to change the From field. THre are several ways
    to do it. Please read this excellent guide for Pine (but also valid for
    Alpine) by Nancy McGough.

    http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/

    Thank you.

    --
    Eduardo
    https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
    http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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  • From William Unruh@21:1/5 to Rob Pyott on Fri Mar 5 06:27:12 2021
    On 2021-03-05, Rob Pyott <[email protected]> wrote:
    ...
    Opened SMTP server "smtp.mail.me.com.akadns.net"
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: MAIL FROM:<[email protected]>
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: 550 5.7.0 From address is not one of your addresses IMAP DEBUG 20:50:23 3/4: RCPT TO:<[email protected]>
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:24 3/4: 503 5.5.1 Error: need MAIL command
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:24 3/4: RSET
    IMAP DEBUG 20:50:25 3/4: 250 2.0.0 Ok
    Mail not sent. Sending error: 554 One or more recipients failed
    Send Error: "503 5.5.1 Error: need MAIL command"

    That third line would seem to be the critical line. [email protected] is
    not one of your addresses. The remote side rejects your FROM: address,
    and it wants a proper from address.

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  • From Henning Hucke@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Fri Mar 5 06:14:21 2021
    On 2021-03-04, Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Hi Carlos, hello all,

    [...]
    You actually installed the "sendmail" package? Wow, almost nobody uses
    that one. Notice that it will not work unless you configure it.

    you are aware that this statement has aspects of fake news? "almost
    nobody" is not proovable as false because even if I can tell that I know
    some people who use it and like it one can still state that these are
    the "few" people who use it.

    Beside of that the distributions usually have the sendmail package that
    way that I works as an MTA for the local system out of the box. This
    applies to every other MTA since the distribution itself can't have informations to configure an MTA in any other way and still be reliable.
    And if I remember correctly you can even start a reconfigure on sendmail
    on debian to get sendmail configured for some other scenarios.

    But!

    There are certainly other MTAs which fit the needs of a normal stand
    alone system or one which is a simple server within a local network and
    not a mail server. And its totally legit to use such an MTA if this
    system is not supposed to be a mail server.
    On the other hand: If its supposed to be a mail server sendmail is a
    good choice as exim is because these are configurable for a wide range
    range of requirements where postfix is a good choice for up to mid sized
    mail servers or ones with more or less stringend requirements.

    Any further communication about this issue either via e-mail or a
    suitable newsgroup.

    [...]

    Regards,
    Henning
    --
    Applause, n:
    The echo of a platitude from the mouth of a fool.
    -- Ambrose Bierce

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  • From Rob Pyott@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 5 18:52:12 2021
    Nancy McGough's instructions worked like a charm -- I am up and running! (On three machines now!!!)

    Thanks, --Rob

    You are trying to send email as "[email protected]" instead of [email protected]. You need to change the From field. THre are several ways
    to do it. Please read this excellent guide for Pine (but also valid for Alpine) by Nancy McGough.

    http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/
    Thank you.


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  • From Eduardo Chappa@21:1/5 to Henning Hucke on Fri Mar 5 19:52:23 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021, Henning Hucke wrote:

    On 2021-03-04, Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Hi Carlos, hello all,

    [...] You actually installed the "sendmail" package? Wow, almost nobody
    uses that one. Notice that it will not work unless you configure it.

    you are aware that this statement has aspects of fake news? "almost
    nobody" is not proovable as false because even if I can tell that I know
    some people who use it and like it one can still state that these are
    the "few" people who use it.

    Beside of that the distributions usually have the sendmail package that
    way that I works as an MTA for the local system out of the box. This
    applies to every other MTA since the distribution itself can't have informations to configure an MTA in any other way and still be reliable.
    And if I remember correctly you can even start a reconfigure on sendmail
    on debian to get sendmail configured for some other scenarios.

    But!

    There are certainly other MTAs which fit the needs of a normal stand
    alone system or one which is a simple server within a local network and
    not a mail server. And its totally legit to use such an MTA if this
    system is not supposed to be a mail server. On the other hand: If its supposed to be a mail server sendmail is a good choice as exim is
    because these are configurable for a wide range range of requirements
    where postfix is a good choice for up to mid sized mail servers or ones
    with more or less stringend requirements.

    Any further communication about this issue either via e-mail or a
    suitable newsgroup.

    And if anyone feels like contributing their reply to this forum, feel free
    to do so.

    --
    Eduardo
    https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
    http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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  • From Roderick@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Fri Mar 12 23:40:40 2021
    On Thu, 4 Mar 2021, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    You actually installed the "sendmail" package? Wow, almost nobody uses
    that one. Notice that it will not work unless you configure it.

    [...]

    I have, in .pinerc:

    # List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail. smtp-server=localhost

    Then, instead of putting "localhost" there, leave it blank and do the following:

    https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/mail-metamail-gpg-openssl-sendmail-fetchmail-etc-as-mail-client.79285/

    But a simpler solution is to leave alpine do the work to connect to your
    mail provider.

    Rod.

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