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    From Bill Waddington@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 08:56:59 2022
    Hey all,

    Asked and answered years ago, but one more time: any way to run tcl/tk
    on an iPhone? My toy program turns out to be somewhat useful and
    family members would like it on their phones. Android, Windows,
    Linux, ... but no iPhones :(

    https://www.beezmo.com/geezblog/?p=1842

    thanks,
    Bill
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    William D Waddington

    "Even bugs...are unexpected signposts on
    the long road of creativity..." - Ken Burtch

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  • From Bill Waddington@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 09:02:37 2022
    Hey all,

    Asked and answered years ago, but one more time: any way to run tcl/tk
    on an iPhone? My toy program turns out to be somewhat useful and
    family members would like it on their phones. Android, Windows,
    Linux, ... but no iPhones :(

    https://www.beezmo.com/geezblog/?p=1842

    thanks,
    Bill
    --
    William D Waddington

    "Even bugs...are unexpected signposts on
    the long road of creativity..." - Ken Burtch

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  • From Andreas Leitgeb@21:1/5 to Bill Waddington on Sun Apr 24 23:05:36 2022
    Bill Waddington <[email protected]> wrote:
    Asked and answered years ago, but one more time: any way to run tcl/tk
    on an iPhone? My toy program turns out to be somewhat useful and
    family members would like it on their phones. Android, Windows,
    Linux, ... but no iPhones :(
    https://www.beezmo.com/geezblog/?p=1842

    Apple wouldn't allow any full fledged programming languages on "their"
    phones. One might "root" ones own iPhone, and try to port Androwish
    source to iOS, but even if one took that (rather big) burden, probably
    only few would be willing to root their phones.

    iPhone-using Fans of your app might easier grab some old android phone
    from some flea-market, not even register with google, but just download
    your apk with builtin browser (over Wifi, so they don't even need a sim-
    card), set security option to allow "install from any sources", and then install the apk - much less hassle than rooting their iphones.

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  • From Christian Gollwitzer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 08:20:42 2022
    Am 24.04.22 um 18:02 schrieb Bill Waddington:
    Hey all,

    Asked and answered years ago, but one more time: any way to run tcl/tk
    on an iPhone? My toy program turns out to be somewhat useful and
    family members would like it on their phones. Android, Windows,
    Linux, ... but no iPhones :(

    iOS is a pretty closed system. Even if you were to write a proper iOS
    app, you would at least a Mcbook with XCode and a developer account from
    Apple which costs $99 per year.

    Another alternative is to run your app on a server let users connect to
    it via the web; CLoudTk can do this for you: http://cloudtk.tcl-lang.org/

    The example on the wiki work like this, all you need for access is a web browser, but for providing this service you need a Linux server.

    Checkout e.g. to see if this works on the iPhone: https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/tkEngine

    Best regards,

    Christian

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  • From Robert Heller@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Apr 25 06:57:43 2022
    At Mon, 25 Apr 2022 08:20:42 +0200 Christian Gollwitzer <[email protected]> wrote:


    Am 24.04.22 um 18:02 schrieb Bill Waddington:
    Hey all,

    Asked and answered years ago, but one more time: any way to run tcl/tk
    on an iPhone? My toy program turns out to be somewhat useful and
    family members would like it on their phones. Android, Windows,
    Linux, ... but no iPhones :(

    iOS is a pretty closed system. Even if you were to write a proper iOS
    app, you would at least a Mcbook with XCode and a developer account from Apple which costs $99 per year.

    There are ways of creating a VM "Hackintosh". I think you can download and
    use XCode for free -- at least that used to be the case. At least for creating MacOSX apps, don't know about iOS exactly. In some ways Apple is actually *worse* then Microsoft. With M$ it is trivial to cross-build apps at no cost.


    Another alternative is to run your app on a server let users connect to
    it via the web; CLoudTk can do this for you: http://cloudtk.tcl-lang.org/

    The example on the wiki work like this, all you need for access is a web browser, but for providing this service you need a Linux server.

    Checkout e.g. to see if this works on the iPhone: https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/tkEngine

    Best regards,

    Christian



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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to Christian Gollwitzer on Mon Apr 25 12:57:07 2022
    On 4/25/22 2:20 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:

    Another alternative is to run your app on a server let users connect to
    it via the web; CLoudTk can do this for you: http://cloudtk.tcl-lang.org/

    The example on the wiki work like this, all you need for access is a web browser, but for providing this service you need a Linux server.


    Hello,

    This looks promising but I believe it supports single window
    applications only. I do wonder if this limitation could be avoided by
    doing some window management behind the scenes. What I am thinking is,
    when a new toplevel is requested, minimize (or unmap) the current one
    and push its name onto a stack, and when a window is closed, display (or
    map) the last one from the stack. That would make it quite powerful.

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  • From Bill Waddington@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon May 2 09:20:40 2022
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:57:07 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    On 4/25/22 2:20 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:

    Another alternative is to run your app on a server let users connect to
    it via the web; CLoudTk can do this for you: http://cloudtk.tcl-lang.org/

    The example on the wiki work like this, all you need for access is a web
    browser, but for providing this service you need a Linux server.


    Hello,

    This looks promising but I believe it supports single window
    applications only. I do wonder if this limitation could be avoided by
    doing some window management behind the scenes. What I am thinking is,
    when a new toplevel is requested, minimize (or unmap) the current one
    and push its name onto a stack, and when a window is closed, display (or
    map) the last one from the stack. That would make it quite powerful.


    Thanks all for the suggestions. The 2nd inexpensive/retired phone
    idea would work, but for some reason my casual users don't seem
    interested... guess it's not a life-or-death app after all ;)

    My one-man ISP doesn't favor the CloudTK approach. He provides
    exceptional service and responsiveness, and I can't argue with his
    reasoning as it applies to his servers. Quoting his reply below - I
    don't think I'm violating any confidence here. It's an excellent
    example of his thoughtful replies to issues and questions.

    thanks again,
    Bill

    ***I'm pretty wary of installing customized services on the servers
    here. If it requires a specialized instance of a web-like server to
    run, then it isn't something I'd like to do. The hacking attempts are
    just so intense it would mean I would have to have a customized way of
    logging and blocking the endless hacking attempts it would eventually
    create.
    ***
    ***But if you could run it via a PHP front-end through the existing
    web server, that should be doable. However, the same issue may occur,
    hackers may start pounding at it and it could then use considerable
    server resources. It would also be important that the code was auditet carefully for buffer overflows or various injections.
    ***
    ***My main goal with the servers here is to keep them very fast, and
    also secure. So it pretty much means keeping things as simple as
    possible.
    --
    William D Waddington

    "Even bugs...are unexpected signposts on
    the long road of creativity..." - Ken Burtch

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