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  • Re: OT: Re: Oh d-ai-ry d-ai-ry me

    From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Vir Campestris on Thu Jun 5 16:28:31 2025
    Vir Campestris <[email protected]d> writes:
    On 03/06/2025 17:06, Ar Rakin wrote:
    This is the reason why I tell people who write code that AI/LLMs can't
    ever replace them like this.  AI tools can only be a tool that you use.
    To write code, you'd still need to know something by yourself at the end
    of the day.

    As the sage said, never is a very long time.

    I started my career writing assembler. Nobody uses it any more for
    system work - it's much easier and cheaper to use a higher level
    language. Those skills I learned back then will never be performed by an
    API. But nor are they performed by humans any more (at least on that
    obsolete ISA!)

    In recent years I used C++. I understand a lot of code now is written in >languages like Python. You could regard them merely as a detailed spec
    for the processes you need the computer to carry out.

    Get that spec right, and the computer behaves. Perhaps one day the AI
    will be able to read a spec in English - but it will probably have to be >lawyer's English to avoid ambiguities.

    Or maybe we'll have an AI that is truly intelligent...

    I hope not. All the foibles of the human creators with no off switch.

    Don't call it AI, it's just simple machine learning and pattern matching;
    for true intelligence, self-awareness is a prerequisite. I don't think humanity really wants to go there.

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  • From Vir Campestris@21:1/5 to Ar Rakin on Thu Jun 5 17:23:10 2025
    On 03/06/2025 17:06, Ar Rakin wrote:
    This is the reason why I tell people who write code that AI/LLMs can't
    ever replace them like this.  AI tools can only be a tool that you use.
    To write code, you'd still need to know something by yourself at the end
    of the day.

    As the sage said, never is a very long time.

    I started my career writing assembler. Nobody uses it any more for
    system work - it's much easier and cheaper to use a higher level
    language. Those skills I learned back then will never be performed by an
    API. But nor are they performed by humans any more (at least on that
    obsolete ISA!)

    In recent years I used C++. I understand a lot of code now is written in languages like Python. You could regard them merely as a detailed spec
    for the processes you need the computer to carry out.

    Get that spec right, and the computer behaves. Perhaps one day the AI
    will be able to read a spec in English - but it will probably have to be lawyer's English to avoid ambiguities.

    Or maybe we'll have an AI that is truly intelligent...

    Andy

    --
    Do not listen to rumour, but, if you do, do not believe it.
    Ghandi.

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  • From Ar Rakin@21:1/5 to Vir Campestris on Fri Jun 6 00:39:12 2025
    On 6/5/25 10:23 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
    On 03/06/2025 17:06, Ar Rakin wrote:
    This is the reason why I tell people who write code that AI/LLMs can't
    ever replace them like this.  AI tools can only be a tool that you
    use. To write code, you'd still need to know something by yourself at
    the end of the day.

    As the sage said, never is a very long time.

    I started my career writing assembler. Nobody uses it any more for
    system work - it's much easier and cheaper to use a higher level
    language. Those skills I learned back then will never be performed by an
    API. But nor are they performed by humans any more (at least on that
    obsolete ISA!)

    Saying *nobody* uses assembler today would be wrong - many low level
    projects still need to write assembly code. They may be not as relevant
    as before, but it is still used. For example, compiler developers still
    need to have a very good understanding of the assembly languages of the
    systems they target.

    In recent years I used C++. I understand a lot of code now is written in languages like Python. You could regard them merely as a detailed spec
    for the processes you need the computer to carry out.

    Get that spec right, and the computer behaves. Perhaps one day the AI
    will be able to read a spec in English - but it will probably have to be lawyer's English to avoid ambiguities.

    Or maybe we'll have an AI that is truly intelligent...

    Andy


    Maybe. Nothing is impossible, but I wouldn't like the idea of AI/LLMs
    taking over. Wouldn't want to see another THERAC-25 incident, caused by AI/LLMs writing code.

    --
    Rakin

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  • From Kaz Kylheku@21:1/5 to Vir Campestris on Thu Jun 5 20:41:55 2025
    On 2025-06-05, Vir Campestris <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 03/06/2025 17:06, Ar Rakin wrote:
    This is the reason why I tell people who write code that AI/LLMs can't
    ever replace them like this.  AI tools can only be a tool that you use.
    To write code, you'd still need to know something by yourself at the end
    of the day.

    As the sage said, never is a very long time.

    Well, always/forever is a very long time. Never is its complement, and therefore extremely short: it contains no time at all.

    A fact that has never been true has been true for 0.000000 femtoseconds.

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