On 28/03/2025 16:25, James Harris wrote:

On 28/03/2025 15:13, James Harris wrote:

I hesitate to post this request to c.l.c as I recall some of the
arguments - not of the function-call kind! Unfortunately, I have been
unable to find the list by other means.

In 2014 Bart posted a list of over 100 things he disliked about C. I
was looking for that list just now and couldn't find it.

To Bart, if he is reading this, could you post the list somewhere
again? The only one I found was in 2014:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.misc/c/nlKwe1SdRKs/m/XQHn-KJH_6YJ

To be clear, that link only references the list. The list details were
in a pastebin link that has long ago expired.

It may or may not have grown since then. Even if it's not in a
polished form I'd still like to see it. I remember agreeing with a lot
of it and wanted to compare my own language against it so a post to
comp.lang.misc would be just as good as a reply here, whichever is
convenient.

Bart's email address is, as far as I know, valid. It seems appropriate
to contact him by email here. If you want your discussion about your
language to be in public, rather than just with Bart, then
comp.lang.misc is probably the best place.

It would be a good idea if Bart's list did not come up here in
comp.lang.c again. It would likely lead to a lengthy thread that goes
nowhere - most C programmers are already aware of the real issues with
C, and Bart has never shown any interest in correcting his
misunderstandings about the language. But if you think looking at the
list could help improve your own language, then I hope Bart can help you
out.

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On 28/03/2025 15:13, James Harris wrote:

I hesitate to post this request to c.l.c as I recall some of the
arguments - not of the function-call kind! Unfortunately, I have been
unable to find the list by other means.

In 2014 Bart posted a list of over 100 things he disliked about C. I was looking for that list just now and couldn't find it.

To Bart, if he is reading this, could you post the list somewhere again?
The only one I found was in 2014:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.misc/c/nlKwe1SdRKs/m/XQHn-KJH_6YJ

It may or may not have grown since then. Even if it's not in a polished
form I'd still like to see it. I remember agreeing with a lot of it and wanted to compare my own language against it so a post to comp.lang.misc would be just as good as a reply here, whichever is convenient.

TIA

I've put a collection of those files here: https://github.com/sal55/langs/tree/master/cthings

I haven't looked through them, but CTHINGS2016.TXT looks ancient; I'd concentrate on CTHINGS.MD and CTHING2022.MD (which confusingly is dated
2016 inside).

There is also CANDM.MD which is expanded to /200/ things, and is a more
direct comparison with my language, but that I expect is now quite
dated. I like to move mine along!

I no longer do this kind of comparison, and there is now a bit of a gulf between the two languages anyway, even if both are still at the same
level compared with anything else.

An overview of my current one is in MFEATURES.MD which is one directory
level above.

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On 28/03/2025 16:06, bart wrote:

On 28/03/2025 15:13, James Harris wrote:

I hesitate to post this request to c.l.c as I recall some of the
arguments - not of the function-call kind! Unfortunately, I have been
unable to find the list by other means.

In 2014 Bart posted a list of over 100 things he disliked about C. I
was looking for that list just now and couldn't find it.

To Bart, if he is reading this, could you post the list somewhere
again? The only one I found was in 2014:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.misc/c/nlKwe1SdRKs/m/XQHn-KJH_6YJ

It may or may not have grown since then. Even if it's not in a
polished form I'd still like to see it. I remember agreeing with a lot
of it and wanted to compare my own language against it so a post to
comp.lang.misc would be just as good as a reply here, whichever is
convenient.

TIA

I've put a collection of those files here: https://github.com/sal55/ langs/tree/master/cthings

I haven't looked through them, but CTHINGS2016.TXT looks ancient; I'd concentrate on CTHINGS.MD and CTHING2022.MD (which confusingly is dated
2016 inside).

There is also CANDM.MD which is expanded to /200/ things, and is a more direct comparison with my language, but that I expect is now quite
dated. I like to move mine along!

I've now read through that and it is actually quite a decent comparison.
I think I'll update that and make it available as CANDM2025.MD in due
course.

It gives a snappier overview than the 'mfeatures' file I posted recently
that goes into more detail.

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