Right click in the "header" area of the Thunderbird window,
... choose
"Customize", and replace your "Reply" button with the one called "Smart Reply".
On 1/18/24 16:34, Peter Moylan wrote: ...
Right click in the "header" area of the Thunderbird window,
I'm running Thunderbird 115.6.0 on Ubuntu Linux 5.15.0-91-generic,
and a right click in the "header" area has no effect.
... choose "Customize", and replace your "Reply" button with the
one called "Smart Reply".
There is, however, a button labelled "More", and one of the options
that comes up when I select "More" is "Customize...". When I select
that option, a small number of aspects of the screen are customizable
- but there is no option for replacing buttons.
On 17/01/2024 02:54, Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article <o8GpN.1462$[email protected]>, Sam PlusnetGoogle groups has gone.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 16-Jan-24 18:45, Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article <uo5vs5$1f48u$[email protected]>,
Peter Moylan <[email protected]d> wrote:
...
The situation is clear to those of us who have never relied on Google >>>>> Groups. I've noticed, though, that those who are used to using Google >>>>> Groups are very confused about the situation, and stil have the
impression that newsgroups are being closed down.
Because from their point of view, it is.
From their point of view, Usenet is (i.e., will be) no more.
An up to date version of:
"Fog in channel. Continent Isolated!"
Exactly. That was the old cliche/joke line that I had in mind.
I just couldn't quite remember the phrasing. Thanks.
I've had to go to Mozilla ThunderBird and Eternal September.
An hour to configure, and I think I replied to Kenny's personal email
by accident.
It's much less convenient.
Grrr.
Google groups has gone.
I've had to go to Mozilla ThunderBird and Eternal September.
An hour to configure, and I think I replied to Kenny's personal email
by accident.
It's much less convenient.
On 18.01.2024 16:03, Malcolm McLean wrote:
Google groups has gone.
I've had to go to Mozilla ThunderBird and Eternal September.
An hour to configure, and I think I replied to Kenny's personal
email by accident.
It's much less convenient.
The initial Thunderbird configuration is sick; they support a more
sensible "Smart Reply" feature but instead use an inappropriate one
as default. The user interface to fix that is non-intuitive, even if
you manage to land on the right window by accident after selecting
the "right" menu it's not intuitive. The menus also vary depending
on version (and probably also depending on platform), as I noticed,
and I had problems to find the right window again after an update.
Anyway, my suggestion to try is; right click on the 'Reply' button, ->"Customize...", then you can drag and drop from the new window
with the icons elements to the other window's bar and/or remove
'Reply' button by dragging it to the opened window. - This is what at
least works in my rather old Thunderbird version. - Good luck!
Once you've done the configuration it works pretty well, though.
I got so tired of Thunderbird that I chose to install
Dialog under Wine, though I prefer clean Linux programs.
For my email I asked for alternatives and was advised
about Claws Mail. It's the best email program that I have
tried, small and effective. I think that it runs under
Windows too.
Yes, that's exactly what I recommended. Get rid of the original "Reply" button, and Thunderbird works a whole lot better.
In addition, earlier versions of Thunderbird work a whole lot better
than later versions. I'm using a fairly old version. I tried a later
version, but didn't like it. I have a lot of respect for the Thunderbird development team, but I think they've been sucked in to the Microsoft
"bells and whistles" philosophy. In my opinion they need to delete a lot
of the bells, and even more of the whistles.
In addition, earlier versions of Thunderbird work a whole lot better
than later versions. I'm using a fairly old version.
I tried a later version, but didn't like it.
I have a lot of respect for the Thunderbird
development team, but I think they've been sucked in to the Microsoft
"bells and whistles" philosophy. In my opinion they need to delete a lot
of the bells, and even more of the whistles.
A pity. It was one of the best mail/news programs a few years ago. It's
still a whole lot better than Google Groups, but that's not saying much.
I already spoke about a stupid default, and the
unintuitive GUI. If GUI oriented, why don't they just use
the images of the buttons for example? (Just a rhetorical
question.)
The Unix command line newsreader I used in the 1990's
called 'nn' was (as far as memory serves) much better
usable; no graphic UI though, so not everyones preference.
My objection is that you've got to install special
software to read newsgroups, and it's tied to that
machine.
Eternal September allowed me to subscribe and gave me a
user id and a password. But it wasn't obvious how to set
up Thunderbird to pass it back to Eternal September. The
secret is that you have to check the "ask for
authorisation" box, then close down Thunderbird and
relaunch it.
The Unix command line newsreader I used in the 1990's
called 'nn' was (as far as memory serves) much better
usable
THunderbird GUI isn't great, but that's not my objection. Though I'm typing the first line in blue then it goes to black for the second line,
and it's obviously bugged.
My objection is that you've got to install
special software to read newsgroups, and it's tied to that machine.
Eternal September allowed me to subscribe and gave me a user id and a password. But it wasn't obvious how to set up Thunderbird to pass it
back to Eternal September. The secret is that you have to check the "ask
for authorisation" box, then close down Thunderbird and relaunch it.
From downloading Thunderbird to getting that working took about a hour, mainly because you are looking for fields in the "settings" dialog, and
not finding them. And I'm a professional computer programmer. For a
consumer product, this is just not acceptable.
Janis Papanagnou:
I already spoke about a stupid default, and the
unintuitive GUI. If GUI oriented, why don't they just use
the images of the buttons for example? (Just a rhetorical
question.)
It is an established fact (see /The Humane Interface/ by Jef
Ruskin) from UI design that a text label is better than a
pictogram or image without annotation.
The Unix command line newsreader I used in the 1990's
called 'nn' was (as far as memory serves) much better
usable; no graphic UI though, so not everyones preference.
Not a command-line, but a text-mode newsreader. Command-
line programs have no GUI, whereas text-modes have one,
which is not raster-based but character-cell-based. I have
never used `nn', but have used other command-line
newsreader -- `tin' and `slrn'.
Janis Papanagnou:
I already spoke about a stupid default, and the
unintuitive GUI. If GUI oriented, why don't they just use
the images of the buttons for example? (Just a rhetorical
question.)
It is an established fact (see /The Humane Interface/ by Jef
Ruskin) from UI design that a text label is better than a
pictogram or image without annotation.
The Unix command line newsreader I used in the 1990's
called 'nn' was (as far as memory serves) much better
usable; no graphic UI though, so not everyones preference.
Not a command-line, but a text-mode newsreader.
[...] I have
never used `nn', but have used other command-line
newsreader -- `tin' and `slrn'.
I'm trying out the sig. But is it clickable?
--
Check out Basic Algorithms and my other books: https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/bgy1mm
THunderbird GUI isn't great, but that's not my objection. Though I'm typing the first line in blue then it goes to black for the second line, and
On 18.01.2024 16:03, Malcolm McLean wrote:
Google groups has gone.
I've had to go to Mozilla ThunderBird and Eternal September.
An hour to configure, and I think I replied to Kenny's personal email
by accident.
It's much less convenient.
The initial Thunderbird configuration is sick; they support a more
sensible "Smart Reply" feature but instead use an inappropriate one
as default. The user interface to fix that is non-intuitive, even if
you manage to land on the right window by accident after selecting
the "right" menu it's not intuitive. The menus also vary depending
on version (and probably also depending on platform), as I noticed,
and I had problems to find the right window again after an update.
Anyway, my suggestion to try is; right click on the 'Reply' button, ->"Customize...", then you can drag and drop from the new window
with the icons elements to the other window's bar and/or remove
'Reply' button by dragging it to the opened window. - This is what
at least works in my rather old Thunderbird version. - Good luck!
Once you've done the configuration it works pretty well, though.
Malcolm McLean:
I'm trying out the sig. But is it clickable?
--
Check out Basic Algorithms and my other books:
https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/bgy1mm
Depends on one's client. The convention, however, is to
enclose URLs in angular brackets:
<https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/bgy1mm>
In many clients, this causes URLs to become clickable. I
much prefer to copy them into the browser by hand, though.
On 19-Jan-24 11:55, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
On 18.01.2024 16:03, Malcolm McLean wrote:
Google groups has gone.
I've had to go to Mozilla ThunderBird and Eternal September.
An hour to configure, and I think I replied to Kenny's personal email
by accident.
It's much less convenient.
The initial Thunderbird configuration is sick; they support a more
sensible "Smart Reply" feature but instead use an inappropriate one
as default. The user interface to fix that is non-intuitive, even if
you manage to land on the right window by accident after selecting
the "right" menu it's not intuitive. The menus also vary depending
on version (and probably also depending on platform), as I noticed,
and I had problems to find the right window again after an update.
Anyway, my suggestion to try is; right click on the 'Reply' button,
"Customize...", then you can drag and drop from the new windowwith the icons elements to the other window's bar and/or remove
'Reply' button by dragging it to the opened window. - This is what
at least works in my rather old Thunderbird version. - Good luck!
Once you've done the configuration it works pretty well, though.
Thanks for the suggestion, but here (version 115.6.1 (64 bit) running on Win10), right clicking on the "Reply" button does nothing.
If I hit the "More" button at the far right of that row of buttons, "Customise" then appears as the last entry in a drop down menu.
However that "Customise" only offers a very few options, & none of them
allow any changes to the buttons.
I'm still at square one.
Ah, right. When my ISP shut down Usenet access and I wend to E.S.
I was repelled by the necessity to login with credentialy - my
ISP access had not required that (and I think AIOE.org also not),
and this may be (if only small) an obstacle; I forget about it
despite the necessity to re-enter credentials from time to time.
On 19.01.2024 17:17, Malcolm McLean wrote:
THunderbird GUI isn't great, but that's not my objection. Though I'm typing >> the first line in blue then it goes to black for the second line,
Strange. (I've never seen that.)
and it's obviously bugged.
(A platform or version issue? - We cannot clarify that here.)
My objection is that you've got to install
special software to read newsgroups, and it's tied to that machine.
The first part is understandable; NNTP is an own protocol that
requires a piece of software (an application) to implement it.
(Here I must note that I'm not a fan of all-web-based-software
all done in a browser.)
I see your point about being machine bound; sort of "non-cloud".
Eternal September allowed me to subscribe and gave me a user id and a
password. But it wasn't obvious how to set up Thunderbird to pass it
back to Eternal September. The secret is that you have to check the "ask
for authorisation" box, then close down Thunderbird and relaunch it.
Ah, right. When my ISP shut down Usenet access and I wend to E.S.
I was repelled by the necessity to login with credentialy - my
ISP access had not required that (and I think AIOE.org also not),
and this may be (if only small) an obstacle; I forget about it
despite the necessity to re-enter credentials from time to time.
From downloading Thunderbird to getting that working took about a hour,
mainly because you are looking for fields in the "settings" dialog, and
not finding them. And I'm a professional computer programmer. For a
consumer product, this is just not acceptable.
I see.
I probably took it easier because in former configurations there
was the necessity, IIRC, to configure yet more details manually.
That's what probably influenced by positive view on how easy it
appeared to me with the newer versions.
Janis
From their point of view, Usenet is (i.e., will be) no more.
That was the old cliche/joke line that I had in mind.
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