• Long story short: Not everybody was blended by Bart Demoen (Was: Bart D

    From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Wed Jul 9 02:08:24 2025
    Hi,

    Although Paulo Moura followed the lead of Bart
    Demoen and started mobbing me. Many people were
    rather shaking their head over Bart Demoen.

    When Bart Demoen posted:

    Programming vs. Specification

    ?- X = a, setof(Y, p(X, Y), S).
    and
    ?- setof(Y, p(X, Y), S), X = a.

    not for the following definition of p/2:

    p(b,1) :- ! .
    p(_,2) .

    Fernando Pereira, sighted:

    Sigh... We were discussing *logical* advantages.
    Of course setof cannot give a declarative reading
    to a program that doesn't have one to start with.

    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.prolog/c/-oerQs4l2Zw/m/v0kjwLIwuI0J

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    That Prolog missed the AI Boom is quite amazing,
    given that neural networks have a lot to do
    with physics, and there were even Prologers with

    a physics PhD, well almost if there werent a typo:

    Name: Bart Demoen
    Dissertation: Stability and Equilibrium for Clasical infinite Systems Advisor:  Andre Frans Maria Verbeure https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=70951

    What does Clasical mean? But then there is a famous
    test case, which can melt Bart Demoen's brain:

    Gap in Section 7.6.2 and some Insecurity Arising from it

    ?- call((Z=!, a(X), Z)).
    Z = !
    X = 1 ?;
    Z = !
    X = 2
    yes

    ?- findall(Z-X,call((Z=!, a(X), Z)),L).
    L = [!-1]


    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.prolog/c/FNou9Z-A_Zs/m/NSSTmbx4E4wJ

    Bart Demoen's memorable reaction in 04.11.2011, 23:06:47 was:

    PLEASE, DO NOT ALARM THIS NEWSGROUP ABOUT "FUNNY" RESULTS
    WITHOUT TELLING US WHICH SYSTEM CAUSED THE RESULTS

    LoL

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:

    Inductive logic programming at 30
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.10556

    The paper contains not a single reference to autoencoders!

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Wed Jul 9 02:12:46 2025
    Hi,

    Ok, one last sample, barty boy in full swing:

    Oh, but you did much better: you tried to ridicule
    my research, my home country and the size of my
    Prolog programs. I can't match that.

    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.prolog/c/uh_HUytRGJE/m/tXc7euv1KngJ

    So he got into struggle with industry? I would
    add not only small programms, but also a micro
    penis and an empty head.

    LoL

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Although Paulo Moura followed the lead of Bart
    Demoen and started mobbing me. Many people were
    rather shaking their head over Bart Demoen.

    When Bart Demoen posted:

    Programming vs. Specification

    ?- X = a, setof(Y, p(X, Y), S).
    and
    ?- setof(Y, p(X, Y), S), X = a.

    not for the following definition of p/2:

    p(b,1) :- ! .
    p(_,2) .

    Fernando Pereira, sighted:

    Sigh... We were discussing *logical* advantages.
    Of course setof cannot give a declarative reading
    to a program that doesn't have one to start with.


    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.prolog/c/-oerQs4l2Zw/m/v0kjwLIwuI0J

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    That Prolog missed the AI Boom is quite amazing,
    given that neural networks have a lot to do
    with physics, and there were even Prologers with

    a physics PhD, well almost if there werent a typo:

    Name: Bart Demoen
    Dissertation: Stability and Equilibrium for Clasical infinite Systems
    Advisor:  Andre Frans Maria Verbeure
    https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=70951

    What does Clasical mean? But then there is a famous
    test case, which can melt Bart Demoen's brain:

    Gap in Section 7.6.2 and some Insecurity Arising from it
    ;
    ?- call((Z=!, a(X), Z)).
    Z = !
    X = 1 ?;
    Z = !
    X = 2
    yes
    ;
    ?- findall(Z-X,call((Z=!, a(X), Z)),L).
    L = [!-1]
    ;
    ;
    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.prolog/c/FNou9Z-A_Zs/m/NSSTmbx4E4wJ

    Bart Demoen's memorable reaction in 04.11.2011, 23:06:47 was:

    PLEASE, DO NOT ALARM THIS NEWSGROUP ABOUT "FUNNY" RESULTS
    WITHOUT TELLING US WHICH SYSTEM CAUSED THE RESULTS

    LoL

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:

    Inductive logic programming at 30
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.10556

    The paper contains not a single reference to autoencoders!


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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Wed Jul 9 02:23:02 2025
    Hi,

    I hope he doesn't get a heart attack.
    But he really made it too easy for me:

    Isaiah 30:8 (NIV): “Go now, write it
    on a tablet for them, inscribe it on a
    scroll, that for days to come it may
    be an everlasting witness.”

    Enjoy your free time:

    Bart Demoen retired ...
    I retired on 1 october 2018.
    https://people.cs.kuleuven.be/~bart.demoen/

    Its not that comp.lang.prolog would somehow
    track people and their biography. This
    was my little contribution.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Ok, one last sample, barty boy in full swing:

    Oh, but you did much better: you tried to ridicule
    my research, my home country and the size of my
    Prolog programs. I can't match that.


    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.prolog/c/uh_HUytRGJE/m/tXc7euv1KngJ

    So he got into struggle with industry? I would
    add not only small programms, but also a micro
    penis and an empty head.

    LoL

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Although Paulo Moura followed the lead of Bart
    Demoen and started mobbing me. Many people were
    rather shaking their head over Bart Demoen.

    When Bart Demoen posted:

    Programming vs. Specification
    ;
    ?- X = a, setof(Y, p(X, Y), S).
    and
    ?- setof(Y, p(X, Y), S), X = a.
    ;
    not for the following definition of p/2:
    ;
    p(b,1) :- ! .
    p(_,2) .

    Fernando Pereira, sighted:

    Sigh... We were discussing *logical* advantages.
    Of course setof cannot give a declarative reading
    to a program that doesn't have one to start with.
    ;
    ;
    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.prolog/c/-oerQs4l2Zw/m/v0kjwLIwuI0J

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    That Prolog missed the AI Boom is quite amazing,
    given that neural networks have a lot to do
    with physics, and there were even Prologers with

    a physics PhD, well almost if there werent a typo:

    Name: Bart Demoen
    Dissertation: Stability and Equilibrium for Clasical infinite Systems >>>  > Advisor:  Andre Frans Maria Verbeure
    https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=70951

    What does Clasical mean? But then there is a famous
    test case, which can melt Bart Demoen's brain:

    Gap in Section 7.6.2 and some Insecurity Arising from it
    ;
    ?- call((Z=!, a(X), Z)).
    Z = !
    X = 1 ?;
    Z = !
    X = 2
    yes
    ;
    ?- findall(Z-X,call((Z=!, a(X), Z)),L).
    L = [!-1]
    ;
    ;
    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.prolog/c/FNou9Z-A_Zs/m/NSSTmbx4E4wJ >>>

    Bart Demoen's memorable reaction in 04.11.2011, 23:06:47 was:

    PLEASE, DO NOT ALARM THIS NEWSGROUP ABOUT "FUNNY" RESULTS
    WITHOUT TELLING US WHICH SYSTEM CAUSED THE RESULTS

    LoL

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:

    Inductive logic programming at 30
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.10556

    The paper contains not a single reference to autoencoders!



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