Hi,

Of course Teachers have better quality
than Nerds when they formulate questions.
Better reseacherd. But the goal of a teacher

is always orthodoxification. So ensentially
SWI-Prolog discourse is abused as a wiki,
with dozen of questions and answer harnessing

hundred of links. The food that teachers need.

Bye

P.S.: Its obvious what is killed in the process:
- Get rid of silly WAM and ZIP!
- Going towards web 2.0 with Prolog
- The AU Boom and Prolog
- What else...?

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Now SWI-Prolog has amassed 1/4 Million of
student notebooks, the SWI-Prolog discourse
has become a cest pool of stupid teachers

asking stupid questions. Development and
innovation in Prolog has totally stalled.
All Prolog systems are based on completely

silly WAM or ZIP, and cannot run this trivial
constant caching test case in linear time:

data(1,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]). data(2,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]). data(3,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]).

test(N) :- between(1,1000000,_), data(N, _), fail; true.

Here some results:

/* Trealla Prolog 2.74.10 */

?- between(1,3,N), time(test(N)), fail; true.
% Time elapsed 0.236s, 3000004 Inferences, 12.692 MLips
% Time elapsed 0.318s, 3000004 Inferences, 9.429 MLips
% Time elapsed 0.371s, 3000004 Inferences, 8.095 MLips

/* Scryer Prolog 0.9.4-411 */

?- between(1,3,N), time(test(N)), fail; true.
   % CPU time: 0.793s, 7_000_100 inferences
   % CPU time: 1.150s, 7_000_100 inferences
   % CPU time: 1.481s, 7_000_100 inferences

Guess what formerly Jekejeke Prolog and Dogelog
Player show? They are not based on WAM or ZIP.
Its rather DAM, Dogelog Abtract Machine.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:

Web 2.0 is all about incremental content!

don’t think it could really do
the “ghost text” effect.

It wouldn’t do the ghost text, only assist
it. There was a misunderstanding how “ghost
texts” work. Maybe you were thinking, that
the “ghost text” is part of the first response.

But usually the “ghost text” is a second response:

waiting for completion candidates to be suggested

Well you don’t use it for your primary
typing completion which is preferably fast.
The first response might give context information,
for the second request which provides a
different type of completion.

But the first response is not responsible
for any timing towards the second request.
That anyway happens in the client. And it
doesn’t hurt if the first response is
from a stupid channel.

Web 2.0 is all about incremental content!

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Hi,

ISO is loosing it because it gives in to Teachers.
GUPU from Ulrich Neumerkel is also a Teaching project.
Notebooks can be also viewed as a Teaching project.

Still there were once rumors that Prolog was used
in Industry. But this was long long ago, and these
roots are possibly totally gone.

I don't believe anybody is using CLP or s(CASP).
Or CLP(Z) from Scryer Prolog. Also the USA
compiler builders are total cluless about logic,

and USA is dominant when it comes to compiler
builder. Take the dissertation of

Combining Analyses, Combining Optimizations
Clifford Noel Click, Jr. - February, 1995

He does't know a bit how conditional constant
propagation relates to logic.

Bye

P.S.: Compiler builders never had a formal education
in mathematical logic. Not enough time. They
were always busy in guzzling in machine code

operations, building highly sophisticated tables
that describe the machine code operations and
building simlarly highly sophisticated backends,

that are sniffing these tables. You don't find
such People in Prolog anymore. Somebody that
knows aassembly, just like Linus Torwald started...

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Of course Teachers have better quality
than Nerds when they formulate questions.
Better reseacherd. But the goal of a teacher

is always orthodoxification. So ensentially
SWI-Prolog discourse is abused as a wiki,
with dozen of questions and answer harnessing

hundred of links. The food that teachers need.

Bye

P.S.: Its obvious what is killed in the process:
- Get rid of silly WAM and ZIP!
- Going towards web 2.0 with Prolog
- The AU Boom and Prolog
- What else...?

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Now SWI-Prolog has amassed 1/4 Million of
student notebooks, the SWI-Prolog discourse
has become a cest pool of stupid teachers

asking stupid questions. Development and
innovation in Prolog has totally stalled.
All Prolog systems are based on completely

silly WAM or ZIP, and cannot run this trivial
constant caching test case in linear time:

data(1,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]).
data(2,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]).
data(3,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]).

test(N) :- between(1,1000000,_), data(N, _), fail; true.

Here some results:

/* Trealla Prolog 2.74.10 */

?- between(1,3,N), time(test(N)), fail; true.
% Time elapsed 0.236s, 3000004 Inferences, 12.692 MLips
% Time elapsed 0.318s, 3000004 Inferences, 9.429 MLips
% Time elapsed 0.371s, 3000004 Inferences, 8.095 MLips

/* Scryer Prolog 0.9.4-411 */

?- between(1,3,N), time(test(N)), fail; true.
    % CPU time: 0.793s, 7_000_100 inferences
    % CPU time: 1.150s, 7_000_100 inferences
    % CPU time: 1.481s, 7_000_100 inferences

Guess what formerly Jekejeke Prolog and Dogelog
Player show? They are not based on WAM or ZIP.
Its rather DAM, Dogelog Abtract Machine.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:

Web 2.0 is all about incremental content!

don’t think it could really do
the “ghost text” effect.

It wouldn’t do the ghost text, only assist
it. There was a misunderstanding how “ghost
texts” work. Maybe you were thinking, that
the “ghost text” is part of the first response.

But usually the “ghost text” is a second response:

waiting for completion candidates to be suggested

Well you don’t use it for your primary
typing completion which is preferably fast.
The first response might give context information,
for the second request which provides a
different type of completion.

But the first response is not responsible
for any timing towards the second request.
That anyway happens in the client. And it
doesn’t hurt if the first response is
from a stupid channel.

Web 2.0 is all about incremental content!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Hi,

You could still make it to London:

API enthusiasts in London! Join the
AsyncAPI Conference for deep dives into
event-driven architecture and open-source
collaboration.
https://conference.asyncapi.com/venue/London

You might have:

- Real-world examples of AsyncAPI in action
- Live demos using AsyncAPI Studio and the CLI
- The tooling and ecosystem that surrounds the spec

But more than the slides and demos, it was the
questions that told the story:

- "Tell me more about AsyncAPI"
- “How do I introduce AsyncAPI into our hybrid systems?”
- “Can I use this with Kafka and MQTT?”
- “How do we contribute to the spec or tooling?”
- "How do other AsyncAPI adopters use AsyncAPI?"

LoL

Bye

P.S.: Mostlikely an attempt to revive React,
looks like a big pile of shit to me:

https://github.com/asyncapi/spec/blob/master/spec/asyncapi.md

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

ISO is loosing it because it gives in to Teachers.
GUPU from Ulrich Neumerkel is also a Teaching project.
Notebooks can be also viewed as a Teaching project.

Still there were once rumors that Prolog was used
in Industry. But this was long long ago, and these
roots are possibly totally gone.

I don't believe anybody is using CLP or s(CASP).
Or CLP(Z) from Scryer Prolog. Also the USA
compiler builders are total cluless about logic,

and USA is dominant when it comes to compiler
builder. Take the dissertation of

Combining Analyses, Combining Optimizations
Clifford Noel Click, Jr. -  February, 1995

He does't know a bit how conditional constant
propagation relates to logic.

Bye

P.S.: Compiler builders never had a formal education
in mathematical logic. Not enough time. They
were always busy in guzzling in machine code

operations, building highly sophisticated tables
that describe the machine code operations and
building simlarly highly sophisticated backends,

that are sniffing these tables. You don't find
such People in Prolog anymore. Somebody that
knows aassembly, just like Linus Torwald started...

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Of course Teachers have better quality
than Nerds when they formulate questions.
Better reseacherd. But the goal of a teacher

is always orthodoxification. So ensentially
SWI-Prolog discourse is abused as a wiki,
with dozen of questions and answer harnessing

hundred of links. The food that teachers need.

Bye

P.S.: Its obvious what is killed in the process:
- Get rid of silly WAM and ZIP!
- Going towards web 2.0 with Prolog
- The AU Boom and Prolog
- What else...?

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Now SWI-Prolog has amassed 1/4 Million of
student notebooks, the SWI-Prolog discourse
has become a cest pool of stupid teachers

asking stupid questions. Development and
innovation in Prolog has totally stalled.
All Prolog systems are based on completely

silly WAM or ZIP, and cannot run this trivial
constant caching test case in linear time:

data(1,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]).
data(2,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]).
data(3,[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]).

test(N) :- between(1,1000000,_), data(N, _), fail; true.

Here some results:

/* Trealla Prolog 2.74.10 */

?- between(1,3,N), time(test(N)), fail; true.
% Time elapsed 0.236s, 3000004 Inferences, 12.692 MLips
% Time elapsed 0.318s, 3000004 Inferences, 9.429 MLips
% Time elapsed 0.371s, 3000004 Inferences, 8.095 MLips

/* Scryer Prolog 0.9.4-411 */

?- between(1,3,N), time(test(N)), fail; true.
    % CPU time: 0.793s, 7_000_100 inferences
    % CPU time: 1.150s, 7_000_100 inferences
    % CPU time: 1.481s, 7_000_100 inferences

Guess what formerly Jekejeke Prolog and Dogelog
Player show? They are not based on WAM or ZIP.
Its rather DAM, Dogelog Abtract Machine.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:

Web 2.0 is all about incremental content!

don’t think it could really do
the “ghost text” effect.

It wouldn’t do the ghost text, only assist
it. There was a misunderstanding how “ghost
texts” work. Maybe you were thinking, that
the “ghost text” is part of the first response.

But usually the “ghost text” is a second response:

waiting for completion candidates to be suggested

Well you don’t use it for your primary
typing completion which is preferably fast.
The first response might give context information,
for the second request which provides a
different type of completion.

But the first response is not responsible
for any timing towards the second request.
That anyway happens in the client. And it
doesn’t hurt if the first response is
from a stupid channel.

Web 2.0 is all about incremental content!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)