Hi,

When did the quantum leap happen in Dogelog Player?
Well very early on: The first binary release was here:

ANN: Dogelog Player 0.9.7
The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog
player now masters DCG.
Admin User, created 09/06/2025

And '$YIELD'/1 stuff came 9 months (sic!) later:

ANN: Dogelog Player 0.9.8
The Dogelog Player supports a new interpreter
that can relinquish control.
Admin User, created 21/03/2022

See for your self:

https://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/home/12_news/package.html

9 months, like Homo sapiens gestation period. (*)

LoL

Bye

(*) To be frank, it was the perfect pass time during
the COVID-19 pandemic.

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Somebody wrote:

Right, but what I’m saying is that with the
current implementation as a separate process,
running independently of the editor and only
communicating over the channel defined by the
protocol, the ability to have fine-grained
asynchronous communication is limited.

Not my problem not seeking the state of the art. You
need of course a Prolog system that is all flesh
and blood cooperative multitasking. If you want

to do a GUI in Prolog similar like JavaScript
does it now, or a native GUI adapter. And I don't
count Tau-Prolog, although they showed amazing

stuff. But not amazing enough, still based
on continuations, and not based on promises. Or then
async/await. I am not sure what SWI WASM now delivers?

SWI Tinker shows me errors talking about threads when
I use the query background execution feature and if I
abort. But people from cooperative multitasking tend

to not use the terminology "thread", they prefer to
talk about "tasks". Ciao Playground doesn't count either,
since their channels to a background worker can even

not process an interrupt correctly.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

The fukkers stole my name:

Jan - Local AI Assistant
https://github.com/menloresearch/jan

Bye

P.S.: Meanwhile I am struggling with Quantum Paper
whille doing a dark/light CSS. Look my light olive turned dark
olive, that is somewhere near chocolate or is it dog shit?

P.P.S.: Just figured out yesterday that some browser defaults
are more Motif/OSF than Material/Google, aka Quantum Paper.

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I wasted a half dozen months with simulated
“threads” by using CheerpJ. This was a very
interesting experience, I could run formerly
Jekejeke Prolog written in Java inside JavaScript.

Main problem a simulation of “threads” cannot
use certain GUI programming patterns from
JavaScript. Because then you have still pre-emptive
yield, like if you do it with auto-yield.

But in JavaScript you have critical regions
for free, just between two awaits, there will
be no yield. Such properties might impact how
you model your “concurrent” logic.

This puts some weight on having a shield/1
primitive. The CheerpJ threads were not that
bad, I added auto yield, but shield/1 is a
later invention from Dogelog Player.

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

When did the quantum leap happen in Dogelog Player?
Well very early on: The first binary release was here:

ANN: Dogelog Player 0.9.7
The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog
player now masters DCG.
Admin User, created 09/06/2025

And '$YIELD'/1 stuff came 9 months (sic!) later:

ANN: Dogelog Player 0.9.8
The Dogelog Player supports a new interpreter
that can relinquish control.
Admin User, created 21/03/2022

See for your self:

https://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/home/12_news/package.html

9 months, like Homo sapiens gestation period. (*)

LoL

Bye

(*) To be frank, it was the perfect pass time during
the COVID-19 pandemic.

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Somebody wrote:

Right, but what I’m saying is that with the
current implementation as a separate process,
running independently of the editor and only
communicating over the channel defined by the
protocol, the ability to have fine-grained
asynchronous communication is limited.

Not my problem not seeking the state of the art. You
need of course a Prolog system that is all flesh
and blood cooperative multitasking. If you want

to do a GUI in Prolog similar like JavaScript
does it now, or a native GUI adapter. And I don't
count Tau-Prolog, although they showed amazing

stuff. But not amazing enough, still based
on continuations, and not based on promises. Or then
async/await. I am not sure what SWI WASM now delivers?

SWI Tinker shows me errors talking about threads when
I use the query background execution feature and if I
abort. But people from cooperative multitasking tend

to not use the terminology "thread", they prefer to
talk about "tasks". Ciao Playground doesn't count either,
since their channels to a background worker can even

not process an interrupt correctly.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

The fukkers stole my name:

Jan - Local AI Assistant
https://github.com/menloresearch/jan

Bye

P.S.: Meanwhile I am struggling with Quantum Paper
whille doing a dark/light CSS. Look my light olive turned dark
olive, that is somewhere near chocolate or is it dog shit?

P.P.S.: Just figured out yesterday that some browser defaults
are more Motif/OSF than Material/Google, aka Quantum Paper.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Corr.: wrong date, should read 2021 here:

ANN: Dogelog Player 0.9.7
The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog
player now masters DCG.
Admin User, created 09/06/2025

The date was this:

Admin User, created 09/06/2021

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

When did the quantum leap happen in Dogelog Player?
Well very early on: The first binary release was here:

ANN: Dogelog Player 0.9.7
The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog
player now masters DCG.
Admin User, created 09/06/2025

And '$YIELD'/1 stuff came 9 months (sic!) later:

ANN: Dogelog Player 0.9.8
The Dogelog Player supports a new interpreter
that can relinquish control.
Admin User, created 21/03/2022

See for your self:

https://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/home/12_news/package.html

9 months, like Homo sapiens gestation period. (*)

LoL

Bye

(*) To be frank, it was the perfect pass time during
the COVID-19 pandemic.

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Somebody wrote:

Right, but what I’m saying is that with the
current implementation as a separate process,
running independently of the editor and only
communicating over the channel defined by the
protocol, the ability to have fine-grained
asynchronous communication is limited.

Not my problem not seeking the state of the art. You
need of course a Prolog system that is all flesh
and blood cooperative multitasking. If you want

to do a GUI in Prolog similar like JavaScript
does it now, or a native GUI adapter. And I don't
count Tau-Prolog, although they showed amazing

stuff. But not amazing enough, still based
on continuations, and not based on promises. Or then
async/await. I am not sure what SWI WASM now delivers?

SWI Tinker shows me errors talking about threads when
I use the query background execution feature and if I
abort. But people from cooperative multitasking tend

to not use the terminology "thread", they prefer to
talk about "tasks". Ciao Playground doesn't count either,
since their channels to a background worker can even

not process an interrupt correctly.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

The fukkers stole my name:

Jan - Local AI Assistant
https://github.com/menloresearch/jan

Bye

P.S.: Meanwhile I am struggling with Quantum Paper
whille doing a dark/light CSS. Look my light olive turned dark
olive, that is somewhere near chocolate or is it dog shit?

P.P.S.: Just figured out yesterday that some browser defaults
are more Motif/OSF than Material/Google, aka Quantum Paper.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)