Hi,

Concerning notebooks, here is a Franz Lisp thingy
but not yet notebooks, a couple of document windows:

GI/S: A Graphical User Interface
For Symbolic Computation Systelns
Douglas A. Young and Paul S. Wang https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747717187800135

But notebooks are more tidy, aren't they? I basically
wish for a combination of both. Like a feature for

selecting an output cell and detach it from the notebook
into a separate window. This would be swell!

YouTube took a while to provide this for their videos,
mostlikely some notebooks can do that already.

Bye

P.S: The hardware spec of the GI/S host:
Although every attempt was made to keep the design of the
GI/S as device independent as possible, the choice of the
Tektronix 4404 naturally influenced the final design. The
4404 is equipped with 1.9 Megabytes of RAM, a 40 Megabyte
hard disk, and uses a 68000 based CPU running a Unix-like
operating system. The monochrome bitmapped graphics display
provides 480 by 640 pixels resolution on a 9.5 inch by 7.0
inch screen. The 4404 supports Franz Lisp [Foderaro, 1981],
Version 42, which adds flavors, packages, objects,
and other enhancements to Franz Lisp.

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Maybe there is a strategy involved delaying
a start up and patents, until some stuff becomes hot.

Or delaying stuff until the required hardware
becomes affordable to everybody. Not an issue

for ChatGPT since it is anyway client server.
But you find GUIs for math symbolic systems

basically derived from REDUCE in the dozens!

The development of REDUCE was started in 1963 by
Anthony C. Hearn; since then, many scientists from
all over the world have contributed to its development.
REDUCE was open-sourced in December 2008 and is
available for free under a modified BSD license
on SourceForge. Previously it had cost $695. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduce_%28computer_algebra_system%29

Bye

Julio Di Egidio schrieb:

On 15/06/2025 04:04, Mild Shock wrote:

So they came up with a patent already in 2012:

<< The conceptual step of converting an abstract
representation (design or specification) of a software
system, into a more concrete representation in the form
of program code. >>

"Already" in 2012?  That's the most ridiculous as well
as the least original "invention" I have ever seen...

-Julio

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Hi,

Interstingly JavaScript appeared already in 1995.
But it was mostoften totally ingnored as a means
for web 2.0, i.e. to include activity in a web site,

I guess the reason was speed, before Chrome V8
it was perceived as slow. Also with Chrome V8 people
shyed away because of transpilation effort.

What was winning more people was probably WASM,
here an example of REDUCE for the web:

Web REDUCE consists of a graphical user interface
(GUI) implemented using HTML, CSS and JavaScript
that runs a Wasm (WebAssembly) version of the
REDUCE engine developed by Arthur Norman and Avery Laird https://reduce-algebra.sourceforge.io/web-reduce/about.php?start

I think it showed up in 2020.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Concerning notebooks, here is a Franz Lisp thingy
but not yet notebooks, a couple of document windows:

GI/S: A Graphical User Interface
For Symbolic Computation Systelns
Douglas A. Young and Paul S. Wang https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747717187800135

But notebooks are more tidy, aren't they? I basically
wish for a combination of both. Like a feature for

selecting an output cell and detach it from the notebook
into a separate window. This would be swell!

YouTube took a while to provide this for their videos,
mostlikely some notebooks can do that already.

Bye

P.S: The hardware spec of the GI/S host:
Although every attempt was made to keep the design of the
GI/S as device independent as possible, the choice of the
Tektronix 4404 naturally influenced the final design. The
4404 is equipped with 1.9 Megabytes of RAM, a 40 Megabyte
hard disk, and uses a 68000 based CPU running a Unix-like
operating system. The monochrome bitmapped graphics display
provides 480 by 640 pixels resolution on a 9.5 inch by 7.0
inch screen. The 4404 supports Franz Lisp [Foderaro, 1981],
Version 42, which adds flavors, packages, objects,
and other enhancements to Franz Lisp.

Mild Shock schrieb:

Hi,

Maybe there is a strategy involved delaying
a start up and patents, until some stuff becomes hot.

Or delaying stuff until the required hardware
becomes affordable to everybody. Not an issue

for ChatGPT since it is anyway client server.
But you find GUIs for math symbolic systems

basically derived from REDUCE in the dozens!

The development of REDUCE was started in 1963 by
Anthony C. Hearn; since then, many scientists from
all over the world have contributed to its development.
REDUCE was open-sourced in December 2008 and is
available for free under a modified BSD license
on SourceForge. Previously it had cost $695.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduce_%28computer_algebra_system%29

Bye

Julio Di Egidio schrieb:

On 15/06/2025 04:04, Mild Shock wrote:

So they came up with a patent already in 2012:

<< The conceptual step of converting an abstract
representation (design or specification) of a software
system, into a more concrete representation in the form
of program code. >>

"Already" in 2012?  That's the most ridiculous as well
as the least original "invention" I have ever seen...

-Julio

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