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  • Re: =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CA?= sobering, short-term warning about artificia

    From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to John McCue on Wed Aug 6 10:37:47 2025
    On 2025-08-06, John McCue wrote:
    Followups trimmed to: comp.lang.fortran

    In comp.lang.fortran Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    “A sobering, short-term warning about artificial intelligence and
    white-collar jobs”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2025/08/a-sobering-short-term-warning-about.html

    <snip>

    I just do not see it for software developers of anything complicated.
    I’ve got 1.4 million lines of Fortran and C++ that I am dragging
    around the place. I cannot imagine an AI figuring it out.

    I agree with this, & do not forget COBOL :) Github's
    CEO came out with something similar as what Bayou said
    yesterday I think. Remember, almost all CEOs moved up
    through marketing or finance. They have do idea what
    development is.

    I think these CEOs are in a dreamworld about AI. I have
    been programming for multiple decades and have seen many
    iterations of that dream. All it did was create more jobs
    for developers and raised their pay. I expect nothing
    different from AI.

    The main problem with "AI" as we know it today is that it's going to gut
    a lot of the "junior" roles (programmer, what-have-you), since there is
    kind of a big push of "you don't need that new kid to do this for you,
    just ask the AI!"

    Which kind of has echoes of a story my grandma told me once (she was a
    computer for a bit) along the lines of her department having to re-do a
    week's work because "The IBM" came up with a different answer. Turned
    out the machine was wrong...

    I'm not sure it's going away, but it's definitely going to change the
    landscape (unless / until it absolutely cripples some big name company).


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  • From John McCue@21:1/5 to John McCue on Wed Aug 6 12:15:52 2025
    In comp.lang.fortran John McCue <[email protected]d> wrote:
    Followups trimmed to: comp.lang.fortran

    Found a typo, this statement:
    Remember, almost all CEOs moved up through
    marketing or finance. They have do idea what
    development is.

    Was suppose to say :)
    Remember, almost all CEOs moved up through
    marketing or finance. They have *NO* idea
    what development is.

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    - Paraphrasing Star Wars

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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Aug 7 18:53:56 2025
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> schrieb:
    On 8/6/2025 9:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 22:24:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    I want to forget Cobol. I tried to learn Cobol back in the 1970s.
    Never again.

    There were apparently a lot of very-high-paying jobs in maintaining old
    Cobol code, certainly around the time of Y2K, but I thought some of it did >> continue after.

    Has that all gone?

    I hear that Cobol is still going strong in ports from Mainframe
    MVS/CMS/etc to Linux operating systems.

    Lynn





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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Aug 7 18:57:04 2025
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> schrieb:
    On 8/6/2025 9:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 22:24:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    I want to forget Cobol. I tried to learn Cobol back in the 1970s.
    Never again.

    There were apparently a lot of very-high-paying jobs in maintaining old
    Cobol code, certainly around the time of Y2K, but I thought some of it did >> continue after.

    Has that all gone?

    I hear that Cobol is still going strong in ports from Mainframe
    MVS/CMS/etc to Linux operating systems.

    Gcc just added GCC cobol: https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-15/changes.html#cobol
    I guess somebody must want it for something.


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