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    From Reindl Wolfgang@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 28 11:24:32 2017
    Hi,

    I'd need the upsidedown version of the Hammer and Pick symbol (inactive minimg), but I only can find the upwright ⚒ (active mininig, Unicode
    2692) in my Mac's menue.
    Anybody here knows where I can find the inactive mining?

    Thanks for help
    Wolfgang


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  • From Jukka K. Korpela@21:1/5 to Reindl Wolfgang on Wed Jun 28 23:55:34 2017
    Reindl Wolfgang wrote 28.6.2017 klo 12.24:

    I'd need the upsidedown version of the Hammer and Pick symbol (inactive minimg), but I only can find the upwright ⚒ (active mininig, Unicode
    2692) in my Mac's menue.

    Is there any reason to think that an upside-down hammer and pick symbol
    exists as a coded character, in Unicode? If not, we can’t really expect
    to find it in fonts.

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  • From Reindl Wolfgang@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 29 01:27:22 2017
    Am 28.06.17 22:55, schrieb Jukka K. Korpela:
    Reindl Wolfgang wrote 28.6.2017 klo 12.24:

    I'd need the upsidedown version of the Hammer and Pick symbol
    (inactive minimg), but I only can find the upwright ⚒ (active mininig,
    Unicode 2692) in my Mac's menue.

    Is there any reason to think that an upside-down hammer and pick symbol exists as a coded character, in Unicode?

    "Inactive mining" is as common as a sign as "active mining" (upsidedown
    vs. upwright 'Hammer and Pick').
    "Active mining" I was able to find as a coded caracter so I Don't see
    any reason why there should not be "inactive mining" as well.
    In Germany and Austria there are more mines that have been closed down
    than there are active ones.


    If not, we can’t really expect
    to find it in fonts.

    At least I hope there is one.

    Wolfgang



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  • From Jukka K. Korpela@21:1/5 to Reindl Wolfgang on Thu Jun 29 08:34:48 2017
    Reindl Wolfgang wrote 29.6.2017:

    "Inactive mining" is as common as a sign as "active mining" (upsidedown
    vs. upwright 'Hammer and Pick').

    I cannot recall ever seeing in, in a text or otherwise.

    "Active mining" I was able to find as a coded caracter so I Don't see
    any reason why there should not be "inactive mining" as well.

    U+2692 isn’t really defined as “active mining”, but as HAMMER AND PICK (its Unicode name), with the annotation (in the Unicode Standard)
    “mining symbol, working day (in timetables)”. http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf

    I guess it’s the latter use that made the Unicode Consortium encode it
    as a character. After all, Unicode is about text characters, not about
    graphic symbols used as standalone symbols e.g. in signs, logos, etc.

    If not, we can’t really expect
    to find it in fonts.

    At least I hope there is one.

    Anyone can design a glyph for an “inactive mining” symbol and include it
    in a font, but then it would have to be placed in a Private Use area
    (or, worse, made to occupy a code position of a different symbol). But I don’t see much reason to do so, unless there is substantial evidence for needing it in texts.

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  • From Reindl Wolfgang@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 29 09:53:49 2017
    Am 29.06.17 07:34, schrieb Jukka K. Korpela:
    Reindl Wolfgang wrote 29.6.2017:

    "Inactive mining" is as common as a sign as "active mining"
    (upsidedown vs. upwright 'Hammer and Pick').

    I cannot recall ever seeing in, in a text or otherwise.

    It's surely a matter of your private and professional context.
    If you don't get in touch with earth science or mining or cartography
    (in areas with old mining) then you probably won't see it your whole
    live. If you get in touch with one of those subjecs you surely will see
    it almost every day.

    "Active mining" I was able to find as a coded caracter so I Don't see
    any reason why there should not be "inactive mining" as well.

    U+2692 isn’t really defined as “active mining”, but as HAMMER AND PICK

    In German it's "Hammer und Eisen" and that's the tools of miners since
    roman times or before.

    (its Unicode name), with the annotation (in the Unicode Standard)
    “mining symbol, working day (in timetables)”.

    "Active" was added by me in contrast to "inactive"

    http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf

    There are several symbols with the explanation "in maps" or similar on
    that single side - so why not "Hammer and Pick upsidedown" it's used in maps

    I guess it’s the latter use that made the Unicode Consortium encode it
    as a character. After all, Unicode is about text characters, not about graphic symbols used as standalone symbols e.g. in signs, logos, etc.

    "Map symbols from ARIB STD B24" …
    Many of them.

    At least I hope there is one.

    My hope is over.

    Anyone can design a glyph for an “inactive mining” symbol and include it in a font, but then it would have to be placed in a Private Use area
    (or, worse, made to occupy a code position of a different symbol). But I don’t see much reason to do so, unless there is substantial evidence for needing it in texts.

    OK, I'll have to find some workaround.

    Wolfgang



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