• Re: [telecom] My VoIP phone is dead

    From Bill Horne@21:1/5 to fred on Tue Sep 6 21:22:41 2022
    On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 02:35:46PM +0000, fred wrote:
    On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:49:48 +0000, Bill Horne wrote:
    My callcentric VoIP phone stopped working yesterday, and it's still out.

    Quite some years back, there was an ISP in North Carolina that blocked
    all of its VOIP ports outgoing [towards the Internet]. It's a
    foregone conclusion that they were forcing everyone to subscribe to
    the VOIP service that they provided or do without.

    Their subscribers were furious. Apparently, one very bold subscriber
    made a complaint with the FCC. No, it was not me.

    The FCC socked that ISP with a nasty fine and very promptly ordered
    them to unblock those VOIP ports.

    A few days later, they did so. So everyone was then able to subscribe
    to the VOIP service of their choice.

    I'll try to get through to one of the regulators without doing a
    formal complaint: that worked the last time, and I hope it'll work
    again.

    The ultimate solution is to go with a different ISP. That assumes
    that there is a second one in your area. If all else fails, you could
    go with satellite Internet.

    I do not recommend that approach. ...

    Nor I: the transit time to and from the Clarke belt is just too high
    for any kind of interactive conversation. As for using a different
    ISP, my only choice would be an ADSL line from Frontier, my local
    ILEC, but I don't know what restrictions they place on Internet
    traffic, so better the frying pan I know than the fire I don't.

    Bill Horne

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  • From fred@21:1/5 to Bill Horne on Tue Sep 6 14:35:46 2022
    On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 20:49:48 +0000, Bill Horne wrote:
    My callcentric VoIP phone stopped working yesterday, and it's still out.

    Quite some years back, there was an ISP in North Carolina that blocked
    all of its VOIP ports outgoing [towards the Internet]. It's a
    foregone conclusion that they were forcing everyone to subscribe to
    the VOIP service that they provided or do without.

    Their subscribers were furious. Apparently, one very bold subscriber
    made a complaint with the FCC. No, it was not me.

    The FCC socked that ISP with a nasty fine and very promptly ordered
    them to unblock those VOIP ports.

    A few days later, they did so. So everyone was then able to subscribe
    to the VOIP service of their choice.

    You might try going that route. But I had a situation where a local
    phone company was breaking rules about putting foreign listings for
    subscribers other than their own. I filed a complaint with the state
    PSC in New Mexico. They did nothing [even though I was successful
    doing that with NC, SC, and GA PSCs when I lived in those states]. I
    never got my foreign listing in New Mexico. I always got it in NC,
    SC, and GA. But I had to make a complaint with the PSC each time.
    This was because no one in the business office had a clue that this
    could be done much less knew how to have it done.

    So I filed a complaint against Centurylink with the FCC. They sent a
    complaint to Centurylink. Centurylink sent a reply saying they
    weren't required to do it [which is not true]. The FCC closed the
    case without further action. I wrote back to the FCC and protested.
    But they did nothing.

    My point is that today's FCC might not give you the same results that
    those at the FCC all those years ago gave.

    I have gotten issues like yours resolved by contacting the county
    franchise office [where I then lived] to make a complaint. Usually
    that worked for me until I moved to New Mexico. The franchise office
    would not intervene [in Dona Ana county where I then lived]. New
    Mexico was a very different animal in my humble experience. .

    But you might give that a try.

    The ultimate solution is to go with a different ISP. That assumes
    that there is a second one in your area. If all else fails, you could
    go with satellite Internet.

    I do not recommend that approach. Hamshack Hotline (HH) does not work
    well on satellite Internet. I know that because I spoke to someone in
    South Carolina [who used satellite Internet] via HH. The quality was
    terrible. And I remember reading [on the HH Web site] that they will
    not provide technical support for those who use satellite Internet. Additionally, the time delay can be quite annoying when using
    geosynchronous satellites.

    Regulatory oversight by PSCs are failing today as well. I live in
    Mesa, Arizona now. Our neighborhood has frequent power outages.
    After getting nowhere with SRP (Salt River Project (our local power
    company)), I wrote a letter to the Arizona Corporation Commission
    (ACC) (Arizona's equivalent agency that functions as a PSC)
    documenting the exact dates/times of the outages we had over the last
    year. Most of them were within the three month period just prior to
    when I wrote that letter.

    The ACC responded by saying that SRP was not under their jurisdiction.
    They did forward a copy of my letter to the SRP Ombudsman office.

    SRP's Ombusdsman responded to me saying they were 'aware of the
    problem'. They also said that they were replacing power cables in our neighborhood and surrounding areas. They said the project would take
    two years [before we got any relief]. What a joke.

    I email the lady in their Ombudsman's office each time we have a power
    failure in the neighborhood. For a while, they kept saying that it
    would be resolved in two years.

    However, the last time they said it would take *three* more years.

    So for our neighborhood, trying to handle things through regulatory is
    a complete and total joke.

    Regulatory isn't what it once was.

    I am very near writing our state politicians to see if they can apply
    some pressure to SRP.

    Rotsa ruck,


    Fred

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  • From Fred Atkinson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 10:49:23 2022
    On Sep 8, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Bill Horne
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Yesterday (Wednesday, 9/7), I got a call from someone at "Galaxy Cablevision," and he told me that my VoIP lines are out-of-service
    because of "Cee-Gee NAT." He did his best to convince me that the
    ports used for the "new" Internet layout that my local cable company
    is using can't be "mapped" to my VoIP phone, and that there was
    nothing he could do about the problem.

    I did my best to explain to him that I used to be a Certified
    NetWare Engineer(tm), and that I have been the Moderator of the
    Telecom Digest for about fifteen years, and that my job gives me extraordinary access to world-class experts on the subject of
    Network Address Translation, the TCP three-way handshake, and VoIP
    in general, and that there was no "port mapping" involved. I told
    him that I didn't need any ports mapped, and that such capability
    wasn't what I had sought after.

    He told me that my problem would be solved by a "Fixed IP Address,"
    but when I advised him that I wasn't interested in paying for a
    capability which isn't guaranteed to solve the problem, he said he'd
    do some more research and get back to me.

    So, I'd appreciate your help: please point me to a source of easy-to-understand information about current VoIP practice,
    especially as it relates to NAT of any flavor, and let me thank you
    in advance for your help. I'd also like to know if there are more
    current versions of the story about being born at night in the back
    of a turnip truck, since I'd like to have answers ready if and when
    someone at Galaxy Cablevision calls me again.

    Bill Horne

    P.S. I'll also call Alexis Rosen at Panix, and ask if he can support
    the "OpenVPN" capability of my ASUS router. Here's hoping ...

    Bill,

    This is typical. If they can't solve the customer's issue, they try
    to sell him/her a solution that they don't really need. You were wise
    not to buy into it.

    If you can'r dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with ................ !

    I am sure you've heard that one before.

    I often ask questions that I already know the answer to so I can find
    out if they are going to lie to me. Usually, they are.

    I have [so many times] been lied to by a salesman, CSR, or tech
    support. I lost count of how many times many years ago.

    Those high tech representatives don't realize they are talking to
    someone with my level of technical expertise. I am not a 'guru', but
    I know enough to know when I am being lied to or when the person I am
    talking to does not know what they are talking about.

    Yes, do call on your technical cohorts for advice on the matter.
    Hopefully, they will be able to help you!

    Rotsa ruck!


    Fred

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