On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 0:31:17 +0000, John Levine wrote:

According to George Neuner <[email protected]>:

I used an LG flip phone from 2008..2020. Prior to that I had a Nokia >>"stick" from 1995. Before that I had a Motorola flip phone from early
80's that was on my parents' plan.

Only reasons I have ever upgraded was because carriers changed service >>requirements: 2G->3G, 3G->4G. I have never had to replace a phone
because it was damaged.

I generally get a new phone because the battery gets tired, and it's
been a while since anyone made phones you would want to use that have removable batteries.

If people used their phones like phones that hang off the wall, a few
texts now and again, batteries will last 5-odd days per charge.

If, on the other hand, they use their phones as a mobile access to
all sorts of life distracting services, then one still needs bigger
batteries.

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According to George Neuner <[email protected]>:

I used an LG flip phone from 2008..2020. Prior to that I had a Nokia
"stick" from 1995. Before that I had a Motorola flip phone from early
80's that was on my parents' plan.

Only reasons I have ever upgraded was because carriers changed service >requirements: 2G->3G, 3G->4G. I have never had to replace a phone
because it was damaged.

I generally get a new phone because the battery gets tired, and it's been a while since anyone made phones you would want to use that have removable batteries.

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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:31:17 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

... it's been a while since anyone made phones you would want to use
that have removable batteries.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?idBatRemovable=1>

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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:31:17 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
<[email protected]> wrote:

According to George Neuner <[email protected]>:

I used an LG flip phone from 2008..2020. Prior to that I had a Nokia >>"stick" from 1995. Before that I had a Motorola flip phone from early
80's that was on my parents' plan.

Only reasons I have ever upgraded was because carriers changed service >>requirements: 2G->3G, 3G->4G. I have never had to replace a phone
because it was damaged.

I generally get a new phone because the battery gets tired, and it's been a >while since anyone made phones you would want to use that have removable >batteries.

On average I get several days to a charge. Bluetooth, GPS and
cellular data are kept off unless I need them.

As it happens, my home is in a signal node: I get 1..2 bars and voice
calling is fine, but data throughput is pathetic to nonexistant unless
I go out of the roof or across the street.

So I have the phone set to use (trusted!) WiFi connections whenever in
range, and I keep cellular data turned off unless there is no WiFi
available. In this area, I can use Xfinity WiFi many places, so there
is little need for cellular data.

Turning off cell and using WiFi calling doesn't seem to save much
power, but turning off cell data where WiFi is available seems to save
a lot.

YMMV, it probably varies considerably by phone.

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John Levine <[email protected]> wrote:

I generally get a new phone because the battery gets tired, and it's
been a while since anyone made phones you would want to use that have removable batteries.

Starting my 1st one in 1997 I always could get one with removable
battery.

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According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d>:

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:31:17 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

... it's been a while since anyone made phones you would want to use
that have removable batteries.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?idBatRemovable=1>

Well, yeah. Half of those are a decade old, the rest are funky little
flip phones which I suppose are fine if you don't use Signal or maps
and don't ever want to check your mail on your phone.

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John Levine <[email protected]> writes:

According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d>:

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:31:17 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

... it's been a while since anyone made phones you would want to use
that have removable batteries.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?idBatRemovable=1>

Well, yeah. Half of those are a decade old, the rest are funky little
flip phones which I suppose are fine if you don't use Signal or maps
and don't ever want to check your mail on your phone.

https://www.wired.com/story/iphone-16-battery-is-easier-to-replace/

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According to Scott Lurndal <[email protected]>:

Well, yeah. Half of those are a decade old, the rest are funky little
flip phones which I suppose are fine if you don't use Signal or maps
and don't ever want to check your mail on your phone.

https://www.wired.com/story/iphone-16-battery-is-easier-to-replace/

You can replace any phone's battery if you have the tools and the parts,
but that's hardly the same thing as one where you can pop the back off
and unplug the battery.

I have one of these that Tracfone sent me when they went Verizon-only
and my old AT&T phone stopped working. It has a replacable battery
but its main virtue is that it is so cheap that if you dropped it in
the toilet, it's not worth reaching down to retrieve it.

https://www.gsmarena.com/blu_view_2-10915.php

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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:53:41 -0000 (UTC)
John Levine <[email protected]> wrote:

According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d>:

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:31:17 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

... it's been a while since anyone made phones you would want to
use that have removable batteries.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?idBatRemovable=1>

Well, yeah. Half of those are a decade old, the rest are funky little
flip phones which I suppose are fine if you don't use Signal or maps
and don't ever want to check your mail on your phone.

This one looks not bad. A solid mid-range phone. https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

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