• ICE Is Out Of Control

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 12 09:41:49 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    An NZ woman who lives and works in the US disappeared, leading to
    fears among her friends that she had been kidnapped. Turns out that
    was mostly correct: she had been arrested by ICE, along with her
    six-year-old son, who put the both of them into a detention centre for
    illegal immigrants, having to share a cell with a bunch of other
    people, and neglected to tell anybody where they were for over two
    weeks <https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360788876/us-immigration-police-reportedly-detain-kiwi-mum-and-son>
    <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-woman-sarah-shaw-and-six-year-old-son-detained-by-us-immigration/JWE6CAZ2KFG5FPISN57XGSVAX4/>.

    This is not how a civilized country operates. This is how a
    banana-republic police state operates. This is not the rule of law:
    the USA is now a country ruled by thugs.

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  • From greybeard@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Aug 13 10:15:43 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On 12/08/25 21:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    An NZ woman who lives and works in the US disappeared, leading to
    fears among her friends that she had been kidnapped. Turns out that
    was mostly correct: she had been arrested by ICE, along with her
    six-year-old son, who put the both of them into a detention centre for illegal immigrants, having to share a cell with a bunch of other
    people, and neglected to tell anybody where they were for over two
    weeks <https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360788876/us-immigration-police-reportedly-detain-kiwi-mum-and-son>
    <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-woman-sarah-shaw-and-six-year-old-son-detained-by-us-immigration/JWE6CAZ2KFG5FPISN57XGSVAX4/>.

    This is not how a civilized country operates. This is how a
    banana-republic police state operates. This is not the rule of law:
    the USA is now a country ruled by thugs.


    Arrested on Canadian border. Detained in Texas!

    Q. Since when has the USA been civilised??

    (My) A. NEVER.

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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to greybeard on Wed Aug 13 13:54:20 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    greybeard <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 12/08/25 21:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    An NZ woman who lives and works in the US disappeared, leading to
    fears among her friends that she had been kidnapped. Turns out that
    was mostly correct: she had been arrested by ICE, along with her
    six-year-old son, who put the both of them into a detention centre for
    illegal immigrants, having to share a cell with a bunch of other
    people, and neglected to tell anybody where they were for over two
    weeks
    <https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360788876/us-immigration-police-reportedly-detain-kiwi-mum-and-son>
    <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-woman-sarah-shaw-and-six-year-old-son-detained-by-us-immigration/JWE6CAZ2KFG5FPISN57XGSVAX4/>.

    This is not how a civilized country operates. This is how a
    banana-republic police state operates. This is not the rule of law:
    the USA is now a country ruled by thugs.


    Arrested on Canadian border. Detained in Texas!

    Q. Since when has the USA been civilised??

    (My) A. NEVER.

    I believe that this womens Visa expired and she never did anything
    about it. It bit her in the bum when she went to Canada and tried to
    cross back. If this is the case no sympathy for her.

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOlivei@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 20 03:54:43 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 09:41:49 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

    An NZ woman who lives and works in the US disappeared, leading to
    fears among her friends that she had been kidnapped. Turns out that
    was mostly correct: she had been arrested by ICE, along with her
    six-year-old son ...

    She has been released on some kind of bail and is back home in
    Washington State, with an ankle monitor (without any court order for
    same), and left unable to go to work. Her passport, driver’s licence
    and ID have all been confiscated <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sarah-shaw-opens-up-about-life-after-being-detained-by-us-immigration-with-son-6-remains-heavily-restricted/SKL72LMFSNCABFMTGXQBCRK7MY/>.

    Guilty until proven innocent, much?

    To repeat:

    This is not how a civilized country operates. This is how a
    banana-republic police state operates. This is not the rule of law:
    the USA is now a country ruled by thugs.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Aug 20 17:49:15 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 03:54:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D�Oliveiro
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 09:41:49 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

    An NZ woman who lives and works in the US disappeared, leading to
    fears among her friends that she had been kidnapped. Turns out that
    was mostly correct: she had been arrested by ICE, along with her
    six-year-old son ...

    She has been released on some kind of bail and is back home in
    Washington State, with an ankle monitor (without any court order for
    same), and left unable to go to work. Her passport, driver�s licence
    and ID have all been confiscated ><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sarah-shaw-opens-up-about-life-after-being-detained-by-us-immigration-with-son-6-remains-heavily-restricted/SKL72LMFSNCABFMTGXQBCRK7MY/>.

    Guilty until proven innocent, much?

    To repeat:

    This is not how a civilized country operates. This is how a
    banana-republic police state operates. This is not the rule of law:
    the USA is now a country ruled by thugs.

    If you are in a country illegally you should not expect the same due
    process as a citizen of that country if you are caught and detained.

    Once your identity and immigration status have been confirmed, the
    only thing you are entitled to get after that is out.

    Bill.

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOlivei@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 20 22:25:54 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 17:49:15 +1200, BR wrote:

    If you are in a country illegally ...

    She has been living and working in that country for years -- legally.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 21 18:04:03 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:25:54 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D�Oliveiro
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 17:49:15 +1200, BR wrote:

    If you are in a country illegally ...

    She has been living and working in that country for years -- legally.

    Really?

    Because the Herald and Stuff say so?

    "Friend says Kiwi mum and son�s US detention is illegal and traumatic"

    Why does anybody even read such tabloid trash?

    Bill.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D Oliveiro on Thu Aug 21 07:11:44 2025
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    Lawrence D�Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 18:04:03 +1200, BR wrote:

    Why does anybody even read such tabloid trash?

    They are the ones who reported her detention. I suppose you are
    questioning that, too?
    Did you get your intelligence out of a cereal box?

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOlivei@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 21 06:48:23 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 18:04:03 +1200, BR wrote:

    Why does anybody even read such tabloid trash?

    They are the ones who reported her detention. I suppose you are
    questioning that, too?

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