Promoting American made cars or EV or both is not a problem for me as long >> as at the same time you don't tell me ICE cars will have major regulations >> put on them all for the purpose of destroying them and pushing the people to EV.
Is clean air your complaint? I have no problem with tight emissions regulation. None at all. See attached image of NYC skyline ca 1965.
Further, EV isn't the only emissions free solution. ICE can be tuned
to extremely low emissions at least in certain rev bands and under
specific loads. Thus the explosion of DOHC, variable valve timing,
variable compression engines with six speed transmissions.
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:50:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
Promoting American made cars or EV or both is not a problem for me as long >>as at the same time you don't tell me ICE cars will have major regulations >>put on them all for the purpose of destroying them and pushing the people to EV.
Is clean air your complaint? I have no problem with tight emissions regulation. None at all. See attached image of NYC skyline ca 1965.
Further, EV isn't the only emissions free solution. ICE can be tuned
to extremely low emissions at least in certain rev bands and under
specific loads. Thus the explosion of DOHC, variable valve timing,
variable compression engines with six speed transmissions.
On 2025-07-31, Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:50:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
Promoting American made cars or EV or both is not a problem for me as >>>long as at the same time you don't tell me ICE cars will have major >>>regulations put on them all for the purpose of destroying them and >>>pushing the people to EV.
Is clean air your complaint? I have no problem with tight emissions
regulation. None at all. See attached image of NYC skyline ca 1965.
Of course not.
However we have come very far since 1965.
Same for mining BTW.
Strip mines are tightly regulated these days.
Clean coal.
Computerized emmisions on cars.
etc.
What is not needed is over regulation such as, "all ICE cars
manufactured after 2028 need to average over xx number of mpg.
That is a deliberate attempt at killing the ICE market.
On 2025-07-31, Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:50:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
Promoting American made cars or EV or both is not a problem for me as long >>> as at the same time you don't tell me ICE cars will have major regulations >>> put on them all for the purpose of destroying them and pushing the people to EV.
Is clean air your complaint? I have no problem with tight emissions
regulation. None at all. See attached image of NYC skyline ca 1965.
Of course not.
However we have come very far since 1965.
Same for mining BTW.
Strip mines are tightly regulated these days.
Clean coal.
Computerized emmisions on cars.
etc.
What is not needed is over regulation such as, "all ICE cars manufactured after
2028 need to average over xx number of mpg.
That is a deliberate attempt at killing the ICE market.
BTW, ever see a lithium mine?
You might want to take a look.
Ever see children mining cobalt in DR of the Congo?
The US is way past the days where children were working in coal mines.
Other countries are not.
But you greenacs turn a blind eyeball to that.
The technology solution for EVs is currently lithium based (just likeFurther, EV isn't the only emissions free solution. ICE can be tuned
to extremely low emissions at least in certain rev bands and under
specific loads. Thus the explosion of DOHC, variable valve timing,
variable compression engines with six speed transmissions.
The batteries still need lithium, at this point in time, and are extremely dangerous and subject to exploding and starting difficult to extinguish fires which is why a major shipping company will no longer transport them on their cargo ships.
Thanks but no thanks.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 00:20:28 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-07-31, Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:50:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
Promoting American made cars or EV or both is not a problem for me as long >>>> as at the same time you don't tell me ICE cars will have major regulations >>>> put on them all for the purpose of destroying them and pushing the people to EV.
Is clean air your complaint? I have no problem with tight emissions
regulation. None at all. See attached image of NYC skyline ca 1965.
Of course not.
However we have come very far since 1965.
Because of EPA regulation. Trump has slashed EPA and Republicans have
fought it for decades.
Same for mining BTW.
Strip mines are tightly regulated these days.
Clean coal.
Computerized emmisions on cars.
etc.
What is not needed is over regulation such as, "all ICE cars manufactured after
2028 need to average over xx number of mpg.
That is a deliberate attempt at killing the ICE market.
I don't agree with CAFE. That's something the market can decide based
on fuel cost. People who get caught out commuting in an 11MPG pickup
get no sympathy from me.
BTW, ever see a lithium mine?
Yes. You ever seen a strip mine?
However, setting up trade and investment in such countries can often
bring enough wealth and industrial base to make such things
unnecessary.
Further, EV isn't the only emissions free solution. ICE can be tuned
to extremely low emissions at least in certain rev bands and under
specific loads. Thus the explosion of DOHC, variable valve timing,
variable compression engines with six speed transmissions.
The batteries still need lithium, at this point in time, and are extremely >> >dangerous and subject to exploding and starting difficult to extinguish fires
which is why a major shipping company will no longer transport them on their
What is not needed is over regulation such as, "all ICE cars
manufactured after
2028 need to average over xx number of mpg.
That is a deliberate attempt at killing the ICE market.
Better read the fine print better in those sorts of rules: there's a
lot of provisions in there that provide MPG credits if they improve
things which aren't simply fuel efficiency.
-hh wrote:
What is not needed is over regulation such as, "all ICE cars
manufactured after
2028 need to average over xx number of mpg.
That is a deliberate attempt at killing the ICE market.
Better read the fine print better in those sorts of rules: there's a
lot of provisions in there that provide MPG credits if they improve
things which aren't simply fuel efficiency.
Bakersfield and Fresno are home to many Republicans and their children.
Governor Swill wrote:
However, setting up trade and investment in such countries can often
bring enough wealth and industrial base to make such things
unnecessary.
Further, EV isn't the only emissions free solution. ICE can be tuned >>>> >>to extremely low emissions at least in certain rev bands and under
specific loads. Thus the explosion of DOHC, variable valve timing,
variable compression engines with six speed transmissions.
The batteries still need lithium, at this point in time, and are extremely >>> >dangerous and subject to exploding and starting difficult to extinguish fires
which is why a major shipping company will no longer transport them on their
Other countries are funding science and technology research on better batteries. The USA is defunding research to prevent global warming.
On 2025-08-01, chine.bleu <[email protected]> wrote:
-hh wrote:
What is not needed is over regulation such as, "all ICE cars
manufactured after
2028 need to average over xx number of mpg.
That is a deliberate attempt at killing the ICE market.
Better read the fine print better in those sorts of rules: there's
a lot of provisions in there that provide MPG credits if they
improve things which aren't simply fuel efficiency.
Bakersfield and Fresno are home to many Republicans and their
children.
And California which used to be the center of the universe regarding
cars, cruising, modifying and so forth is now overloaded with
regulations.
pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
news:106ir35$gtsd$[email protected]:
On 2025-08-01, chine.bleu <[email protected]> wrote:
-hh wrote:
What is not needed is over regulation such as, "all ICE cars
manufactured after
2028 need to average over xx number of mpg.
That is a deliberate attempt at killing the ICE market.
Better read the fine print better in those sorts of rules: there's
a lot of provisions in there that provide MPG credits if they
improve things which aren't simply fuel efficiency.
Bakersfield and Fresno are home to many Republicans and their
children.
And California which used to be the center of the universe regarding
cars, cruising, modifying and so forth is now overloaded with
regulations.
Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time
out from regulating school libraries and adult trans
care and abortions and pride parades and private drag
shows and social media postings and rainbows in shop
windows and people giving water to voters to accuse
blue states of being "overloaded with regulations"
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