• German Social Democrat Party Scrambling to Get AfD Banned

    From J. Carter@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 19 20:16:07 2025
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    With everything happening in the world, I've been neglecting to post on a
    lot of what's been happening in Germany.

    Right now, there are a number of moving parts coming together that are
    rather ominous for the Alternative for Germany (AfD) Party's future.

    One thing that isn't gloomy at all is their continued growth in
    popularity. Alice Weidel's 'hard-right' group, as it's often derided, has
    done nothing in the face of Chancellor and Christian Democrat head
    Friedrich Merz's continued bumblings but gain followers. This has come at
    the expense of the traditional coalition partners of the past few decades.

    AfD closes in on conservatives as far right gains in new poll

    Germany's far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) has narrowed the gap
    with the conservative CDU/CSU bloc, according to a new YouGov poll.

    The AfD gained two points since last month to hit 25% support, while the
    CDU and its Bavarian sister party, the CSU, slipped one point to 27%.

    If an election were held this Sunday, the poll showed the centre-left
    Social Democrats (SPD) stuck at 14%. The environmentalist Greens dipped to
    11%, down one point, while the socialist Left Party rose two points to
    10%.

    This has created a certain amount of angst and resentment among a group
    who are used to being players in German government coalitions regardless
    of their actual Bundestag numbers, while only occasionally swapping out
    the party of the chancellor. The Greens have enjoyed outsized influence
    over German policy because their participation is required to form a government, as no one ever has an outright majority. In current times,
    when one factors in the perceived, almost dogmatic insistence on
    maintaining the so-called cordon sanitaire to deny AfD their rightful participation in a functioning government, deals made with parties of
    minor representation give them clout that their numbers do not reflect.

    It's easy to get used to being a prince.

    In the Social Democrats' (SPD) case, by the time their leader, former Chancellor Olaf Scholz, in concert with the Green Party's lunatic fringe,
    was done leading the country down the primrose path of a forced and
    onerous Green transition, deindustrialization had begun to sweep the
    country along with a massive immigration wave. SPD's stock has now fallen
    so far that it barely blips above 10% alongside the Greens.

    But they are still agitating as if they were running the show, and one of
    their biggest moves has been aimed at cutting the legs out from under the ascendant AfD. Not through winning elections, but by having them banned as
    a legal party.

    Their attempts in the Bundestag failed earlier this year to have it done through legislative means, so they are attacking on a new front. The
    German parliament is who gets to elect judges to the German Constitutional Court when vacancies come up, and this year there are three openings to be filled.

    The SPD is moving Heaven and Earth to put two firmly anti-AfD people on
    the bench, which is very difficult in a fractured legislature for a vote requiring a two-thirds approval.

    ...Anyway, one of the things the Bundestag has to do, is periodically
    elect new justices to the Federal Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe. These justices wear pseudohistorical red robes designed to recall the Prussian judiciary and they decide on matters of constitutional importance.

    The time has come to appoint three new justices to this court, and for the present government this is an incredibly delicate matter. This is because
    these elections require a two-thirds supermajority of the Bundestag, and two-thirds of the Bundestag are very hard to achieve with all of the firewalling going on. On the one hand, the CDU and CSU have a firewall
    against Die Linke, or the crazy Left Party; on the other hand and as
    stated above they have a firewall against the AfD. Because the AfD and Die Linke together command a bit more than one-third of the Bundestag seats,
    there is strictly speaking no way for the Union parties to elect anybody
    to the Federal Constitutional Court without violating some firewall or
    other.

    As blogger eugyppius says, the smartest thing to do would have been to
    nominate the most boring, middle-of-the-road jurist possible that most
    everyone could agree on, which is what the CDU side did. SPD, though,
    wants blood.

    ...The SPD, by contrast, did not feel any need to stay boring. They
    nominated two hyphenated crazy women named Ann-Katrin Kaufhold and Frauke Brosius-Gersdorf.

    The one is not only anti-AfD, she is an abortion advocate up to the moment
    of birth, where Merz's CDU has always been firmly pro-life.

    In the brouhaha over the wild candidates, the chancellor was asked the
    gotcha question:

    ...On Wednesday in the Bundestag, Beatrix von Storch of the AfD had an opportunity to put a question to Chancellor Merz, and she pressed the
    issue of Brosius-Gersdorf’s candidacy:

    I ask you: can you in good conscience vote for Ms Brosius-Gersdorf, who
    does not believe that human dignity applies to people who have not yet
    been born? Ms Brosius-Gersdorf has said that a nine-month-old foetus has
    no human dignity two minutes before birth. Can you in good conscience vote
    for this woman, knowing that she will probably soon vote to abolish
    Section 218 [i.e., our abortion criminalising statute]?

    And flubbed it.

    ...With a look of triumph and after some prefatory AfD bashing, he said:
    “My simple answer to your question here is: Yes.” He looked to the CDU benches, feeling that he had properly owned that obnoxious AfD woman.
    Instead there was nothing but stunned silence, then a smattering of pro
    forma claps. Merz had implicitly endorsed von Storch’s characterisation of Brosius-Gersdorf as a rabidly pro-abortion candidate and thrown his
    support behind her.

    (For the record, abortion is still ILLEGAL in Germany.)

    The entire vote blew up in the face of German Catholic bishops going on a public rampage, CDU members telling the press they could not support such
    a woman, and the SPD and Greens howling about misogyny.

    They're going to try again because that's how determined the Left is, and
    they have an enormous amount of political heft to lose if they cannot pull
    this off.

    ...This matters because Brosius-Gersdorf and Kaufhold have both argued in favour of ban proceedings against Alternative für Deutschland. What is
    more, both candidates would be appointed to the second senate of the Constitutional Court, which is the division responsible for banning
    political parties. And as if that were not enough, the SPD nominated both candidates in the wake of their party congress, where SPD chairman Lars Klingbeil said that banning the AfD was his party’s “historical duty.” Many have therefore concluded that the SPD are trying to stack the court
    in advance of an application to prohibit Germany's second-strongest
    political party, banish all of its elected politicians and seize all of
    its assets.

    Things are sliding so far out of whack in the country that it soon could
    be irretrievable.

    ...Keep in mind that this is not about the AfD, but about imperatives
    within the left itself. No amount of moderation, polite messaging or triangulation on the part of the AfD can get the left to stop or pursue
    other goals. Unless some exogenous force introduces a new unifying
    obsession for the left parties and their activists, they will never stop gnawing on this particular chew toy.

    Practically, this probably means that the AfD has an expiration date. If
    they can’t get into government at the federal level and if nothing else changes, they will find themselves facing ban proceedings before a court stacked with leftists who hate them in the next 10 or 15 years. The
    federal elections in 2029 seem like the last opportunity to normalise the
    AfD before this final escalation.

    Elements of the government are already attempting to purge AfD members
    from employment.

    That's going to court. Unsurprisingly, the police commissioner is an SPD
    member and former elected representative.

    Germany's Federal Police Commissioner Uli Grötsch has voiced opposition to police officers being members of the far-right Alternative for Germany
    (AfD) party, calling it "incompatible" with serving in law enforcement.

    "AfD membership and working as a police officer are incompatible," Grötsch told the Rheinische Post newspaper in remarks published late on Monday.

    The former Social Democrat (SPD) lawmaker added that officers who
    demonstrate clear commitment to the AfD should be dismissed. "For me, commitment means openly supporting the party, running for local or city
    council or even for the Bundestag," he said.

    Has 'white rage' vibes all over it, doesn't it? Think how close we came to
    that ourselves.

    In an attempted regional purge, the SPD has been forced to back down.

    AfD members in Rhineland-Palatinate will not be excluded from public
    service roles after all, following a political and legal backlash that
    forced the state’s SPD-led government to retreat.

    Interior Minister Michael Ebling had attempted to bar AfD members from
    jobs such as teaching and policing, citing “loyalty to the constitution.” The move was widely seen as a political ploy, especially after the AfD was added to the state’s list of “extremist” groups—despite being Germany’s
    largest opposition party.

    But the AfD is still on the 'extremist group list. The government's backtracking could also be painted as a political ploy. They haven't consolidated enough power...yet.

    There is also the matter of the inexorable extinguishment of Germans
    themselves by the very people attempting to deny almost a third of the
    country a political voice.

    The immigration numbers are staggering, and the toll is too much.

    Thilo Sarrazin, the former Bundesbank board member whose 2010 book “Deutschland schafft sich ab” (“Germany Is Abolishing Itself”) sparked controversy, has returned to the spotlight with a revised edition of his bestseller — arguing that his original predictions about mass migration
    and demographic transformation in Germany have been dramatically surpassed
    by reality.

    In an interview with Czech news outlet Echo24, Sarrazin reflected on his earlier work, noting that while he was broadly right in his projections,
    the scale and pace of immigration — particularly since the 2015 crisis — have outstripped his original calculations.

    He noted that his demographic model had assumed annual net immigration of between 50,000 and 100,000 people, based on official forecasts at the
    time. In the decade since, however, Germany has averaged 500,000 new
    arrivals per year, a majority of whom come from outside the European Union
    and from predominantly Muslim-majority countries.

    “Back then, I predicted that within a few decades, Germans would become a minority in their own homeland,” Sarrazin said. “But it will come much sooner.”

    The AfD's biggest battle has been against the ardent pro-immigration
    forces, and caving on his promises to tighten the border was Merz's first
    Old Magoo after being elected.

    ...Only the AfD emphasized stopping the immigration flow in the first
    place, rather than trying to reverse it after it had occurred. The day
    after the Solingen attack, AfD co-leader Alice Weidel demanded a five-year moratorium on immigration, admission, and naturalization. She followed up
    with a call for the immediate expulsion of illegal migrants and criminals; in-kind rather than cash benefits for migrants; and an end to the naturalization of welfare-dependent migrants.

    ...The magazine notes that sexual assaults and harassment are done "predominantly by men with a migrant background."

    "And once again, a piece of public space is being lost for women. Just as
    they can no longer take the tram in the evenings and have long since
    stopped partying freely in public or in bars for fear of having date rape
    drugs in their glasses," writes the magazine.

    Just like Socialists. Doing their damndest to keep the good times rolling
    for everyone.

    Beege ADDS: I updated the headline, changing 'Socialist' to specify the
    Social Democrats, even though I know there's barely a hair's breadth
    between the two.

    https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2025/07/16/german-socialist-party- scrambling-to-get-afd-banned-n3804845

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 24 23:45:24 2025
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    LawFare ... it's now become kinda normal in what
    used to be the 1st-world.

    This is incredibly BAD !

    We've become what we used to abhor, what we
    used to go to war with.

    In 10-20 years Russia and China might be more
    free that WE are.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Jul 25 15:34:19 2025
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    On 2025-07-25, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
    LawFare ... it's now become kinda normal in what
    used to be the 1st-world.

    This is incredibly BAD !

    We've become what we used to abhor, what we
    used to go to war with.

    In 10-20 years Russia and China might be more
    free that WE are.


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    pothead
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    Almost every single policy rolled out failed.”

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Sat Jul 26 01:53:12 2025
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    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in news:106085r$20218$2@dont-
    email.me:

    pothead
    "I have a lot of friends who are Democrats, and they� Tre idiots.
    I always say they have big hearts and little brains.
    Almost every single policy rolled out failed.�
    -- Jamie Dimon CEO JPMorgan Chase.






    "I've been around for a long time and it just
    seems that the economy does better under the
    Democrats than the Republicans."
    Donald Trump, 2004
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