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On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a startling
sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with goods for the two
major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That hasn�t happened since
the pandemic.

Six days ago, 41 vessels were scheduled to depart China for the San Pedro
Bay Complex, which encompasses both the Port of Los Angeles and Port of
Long Beach in California. On Friday, it was zero.

President Donald Trump�s trade war imposed massive tariffs on most Chinese imports last month. That�s led to fewer ships at sea carrying less cargo
to America�s ports. For many businesses, it is now too expensive to do
business with China, one of America�s most important trading partners.

Officials are concerned not just about the lack of vessels leaving China,
but the speed at which that number dropped.

�That�s cause for alarm,� said Mario Cordero, the CEO of the Port of Long Beach. �We are now seeing numbers in excess of what we witnessed in the pandemic� for cancellations and fewer vessel arrivals.

The busiest ports in the country are experiencing steep declines in cargo.
The Port of Long Beach is seeing a 35-40% drop compared to normal cargo
volume. The Port of Los Angeles had a 31% drop in volume this week, and
the Port of New York and Jersey says it�s also bracing for a slowdown. On Wednesday, the Port of Seattle said it had zero container ships in the
port, another anomaly that hasn�t happened since the pandemic.

�That�s because just nothing is being shipped over,� port commissioner
Ryan Calkins told CNN�s Kaitlan Collins.

US and Chinese trade representatives are set to meet in Geneva this
weekend for their first face to face meeting in an attempt to deescalate
the trade war. Most goods shipping from China to the United States have a
145% tariff, while most US exports to China are being hit with a 125%
tariff. On Friday, President Donald Trump suggested lowering the tariff
rate with China to 80%, but said the final terms would be up to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent.

For consumers, who are facing higher prices or shortages of certain items, Cordero says a deal can�t come soon enough.

�If things don�t change quickly, I�m talking about the uncertainty that
we�re seeing, then we may be seeing empty products on the shelves. This is
now going to be felt by the consumer in the coming 30 days,� said Cordero.

Upwards of 63% of the cargo that flows into the Port of Long Beach is from China � the largest share of any US port. But that number is down from 72%
in 2016 as retailers shift away from China over simmering trade tensions.

Even so, China still represents a major source of imports into the United States. Maersk, the second largest shipping line in the world, told CNN
the cargo volume between the United States and China has fallen by 30-40% compared to normal.

�If we don�t start to see a de-escalation of the situation with China, if
we don�t start to see more of those trade deals, then we could be in a situation where some of these effects get more entrenched and are more adverse,� said Maersk CEO Vincent Clerc.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/10/business/zero-ships-china-trade-ports-
pandemic

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On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a startling sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with goods for the two
major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That hasn’t happened since
the pandemic.

. . .

Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
and lots.

Need a new laptop ... just wait a few months. I have
a spare, just in case .... great with Linux system,
Winders had to DIE instantly, NOW it's zippy.

Note the Chinese envoys DID show up in Geneva yesterday
for trade talks - there had been some worry they wouldn't.

China will remain a major industrial country - but
with just a little tweak in the plans it can be
strong WITHOUT crushing the US/EU in the process.
Destroying said customers would ALSO cost them massive
trade $$$. Can't sell stuff to BROKE people.

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On 5/10/2025 6:19 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a startling
sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with goods for the two
major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That hasn’t happened since
the pandemic.

. . .

  Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
  and lots.

And it's also *goods*, that Americans want, that they aren't getting, and there are *no* substitutes.

If Chinese companies — not "China" — sell goods to Americans that Americans want
to buy — that's a *good* thing.

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On 5/10/25 11:48 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:

On 5/10/2025 6:19 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a startling
sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with goods for the two
major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That hasn’t happened since >>> the pandemic.

. . .

   Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
   and lots.

And it's also *goods*, that Americans want, that they aren't getting,
and there are *no* substitutes.

WANT -vs- NEED ... there's an important diff.

Oh, ordered some Chinese tech stuff the other
day. Prices were STILL good.

If Chinese companies — not "China" — sell goods to Americans that Americans want to buy — that's a *good* thing.

No, not at all.

The commie PLAN is to make the USA totally
dependent. Trump knows that's super-BAD.

So, hell or high water, it ENDS .......

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c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 11:48 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:

On 5/10/2025 6:19 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a startling >>>> sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with goods for the two >>>> major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That hasn’t happened since >>>> the pandemic.

   Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
   and lots.

And it's also *goods*, that Americans want, that they aren't getting,
and there are *no* substitutes.

  WANT -vs- NEED ... there's an important diff.

  Oh, ordered some Chinese tech stuff the other
  day. Prices were STILL good.

If Chinese companies — not "China" — sell goods to Americans that
Americans want to buy — that's a *good* thing.

  No, not at all.

  The commie PLAN is to make the USA totally
  dependent. Trump knows that's super-BAD.

So you just admitted buying "Chinese tech stuff" at
"good" prices... traitor

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c186282 <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

On 5/10/25 11:48 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:

On 5/10/2025 6:19 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a
startling sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with
goods for the two major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That
hasn’t happened since the pandemic.

. . .

   Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
   and lots.

And it's also *goods*, that Americans want, that they aren't getting,
and there are *no* substitutes.

WANT -vs- NEED ... there's an important diff.

Oh, ordered some Chinese tech stuff the other
day. Prices were STILL good.

If Chinese companies — not "China" — sell goods to Americans that
Americans want to buy — that's a *good* thing.

No, not at all.

The commie PLAN is to make the USA totally
dependent. Trump knows that's super-BAD.

So America should make it own
goods and not ship manufacturing
jobs overseas.

Unless Trump does it.

That is different.



Trump watches - made in China

Trump sneakers - made in China

Trump Bibles - made in China

Trump's Menswear Line - Made in Mexico

Trump suits and ties - made in China

Trump shirts - made in Bangledesh

Trump Inauguration hats - made in Vietnam

Trump campaign banners - made in China

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On 5/14/25 9:39 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:

c186282 <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

On 5/10/25 11:48 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:

On 5/10/2025 6:19 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a
startling sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with
goods for the two major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That
hasn’t happened since the pandemic.

. . .

   Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
   and lots.

And it's also *goods*, that Americans want, that they aren't getting,
and there are *no* substitutes.

WANT -vs- NEED ... there's an important diff.

Oh, ordered some Chinese tech stuff the other
day. Prices were STILL good.

If Chinese companies — not "China" — sell goods to Americans that
Americans want to buy — that's a *good* thing.

No, not at all.

The commie PLAN is to make the USA totally
dependent. Trump knows that's super-BAD.

So America should make it own
goods and not ship manufacturing
jobs overseas.

Unless Trump does it.

That is different.

Yep :-)

Though he really SHOULD find a USA maker.
SOMEBODY here can still make hats and such.

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On 5/14/25 1:07 AM, Gronk wrote:

c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 11:48 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:

On 5/10/2025 6:19 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a
startling
sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with goods for the two >>>>> major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That hasn’t happened
since
the pandemic.

   Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
   and lots.

And it's also *goods*, that Americans want, that they aren't getting,
and there are *no* substitutes.

   WANT -vs- NEED ... there's an important diff.

   Oh, ordered some Chinese tech stuff the other
   day. Prices were STILL good.

If Chinese companies — not "China" — sell goods to Americans that
Americans want to buy — that's a *good* thing.

   No, not at all.

   The commie PLAN is to make the USA totally
   dependent. Trump knows that's super-BAD.

So you just admitted buying "Chinese tech stuff" at
"good" prices...  traitor

They're the ONLY ones who MAKE it right now.

THAT has to change.

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c186282 <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

On 5/14/25 9:39 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:

c186282 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

On 5/10/25 11:48 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:

On 5/10/2025 6:19 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a
startling sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with
goods for the two major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours.

That

hasn’t happened since the pandemic.

. . .

   Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
   and lots.

And it's also *goods*, that Americans want, that they aren't

getting,

and there are *no* substitutes.

WANT -vs- NEED ... there's an important diff.

Oh, ordered some Chinese tech stuff the other
day. Prices were STILL good.

If Chinese companies — not "China" — sell goods to Americans

that

Americans want to buy — that's a *good* thing.

No, not at all.

The commie PLAN is to make the USA totally
dependent. Trump knows that's super-BAD.

So America should make it own
goods and not ship manufacturing
jobs overseas.

Unless Trump does it.

That is different.

Yep :-)

Though he really SHOULD find a USA maker.
SOMEBODY here can still make hats and such.

You don't get it.

Trump hates American workers.

He doesn't want them making his
personalized swag, he doesn't want them
working on his golf courses, even his
wives have to be foreign.

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c186282 wrote:

On 5/14/25 1:07 AM, Gronk wrote:

c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 11:48 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:

On 5/10/2025 6:19 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 5/10/25 6:11 PM, P. Coonan wrote:

On Friday morning, West Coast port officials told CNN about a
startling
sight: Not a single cargo vessel had left China with goods for the >>>>>> two
major West Coast ports in the past 12 hours. That hasn’t happened >>>>>> since
the pandemic.

   Well, that's also money CHINA isn't making ... lots
   and lots.

And it's also *goods*, that Americans want, that they aren't
getting, and there are *no* substitutes.

   WANT -vs- NEED ... there's an important diff.

   Oh, ordered some Chinese tech stuff the other
   day. Prices were STILL good.

If Chinese companies — not "China" — sell goods to Americans that
Americans want to buy — that's a *good* thing.

   No, not at all.

   The commie PLAN is to make the USA totally
   dependent. Trump knows that's super-BAD.

So you just admitted buying "Chinese tech stuff" at
"good" prices...  traitor

  They're the ONLY ones who MAKE it right now.

  THAT has to change.

Tell that to the CEOs who like cheap labor.

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