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  • Kubuntu 22.04.2 image too big for single-layer DVD?

    From Josef Moellers@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 13:52:29 2023
    Mooi'n,

    I am trying to install Kubuntu 22.04.2 but the image that I find in
    various locations is 5023979520 bytes (sha256sum matches) and all tools
    that I try to use to burn the image (k3b, wodim, growisofs) complain
    that it is way too big (correction: k3b does not complain, it just
    doesn't allow to burn the image ;-) )

    Do I need a DL DVD???

    Josef

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  • From Mark Lloyd@21:1/5 to Josef Moellers on Tue Apr 25 09:22:29 2023
    On 4/25/23 06:52, Josef Moellers wrote:
    Mooi'n,

    I am trying to install Kubuntu 22.04.2 but the image that I find in
    various locations is 5023979520 bytes (sha256sum matches) and all tools
    that I try to use to burn the image (k3b, wodim, growisofs) complain
    that it is way too big (correction: k3b does not complain, it just
    doesn't allow to burn the image ;-) )

    Do I need a DL DVD???

    I've had problems with those. Maybe you could use a USB drive.

    Josef

    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education." [Wilson
    Mizner]

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Josef Moellers on Tue Apr 25 09:08:59 2023
    Josef Moellers wrote:
    I am trying to install Kubuntu 22.04.2 but the image that I find in
    various locations is 5023979520 bytes (sha256sum matches) and all
    tools that I try to use to burn the image (k3b, wodim, growisofs)
    complain that it is way too big (correction: k3b does not complain,
    it just doesn't allow to burn the image ;-) )

    Do I need a DL DVD???

    Yes.

    See this discussion

    https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forum/currently-supported-releases/kubuntu-22-04-jammy-jellyfish/pre-installation-ax/668937-trouble-burning-an-install-dvd

    The current Kubuntu 22.04.2 ISO is shown in Dolphin with around 4,7
    GiB = gibibytes (5.023.979.520 bytes on my SSD). A
    single-layer/single-sided DVD is 4,7 GB = gigabytes (4.700.000.000
    bytes).

    So the Kubuntu 22.04.2 ISO is too big for a single-sided/single-layer
    DVD - you will have to use a double-layer DVD if you don't want to -
    or cannot - boot from the suggested USB stick "burnt" with e.g.
    Balena Etcher.





    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Josef Moellers on Tue Apr 25 08:56:28 2023
    Josef Moellers wrote:
    Do I need a DL DVD?

    It has been YEARS since I burned an optical for a linux .iso. I have
    stacks and stacks of old CDs w/ linux, and much smaller such dusty
    collections of linux on DVD. I've put hundreds on USB since those days,
    and currently my linux USBs are almost all Ventoy.

    Is there any special reason you need to go optical?

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Tue Apr 25 09:22:41 2023
    Mike Easter wrote:
    Josef Moellers wrote:

    Do I need a DL DVD???

    Yes.

    See this discussion

    https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forum/currently-supported-releases/kubuntu-22-04-jammy-jellyfish/pre-installation-ax/668937-trouble-burning-an-install-dvd


    Besides the DL DVD and USB solutions, I just learned from that thread
    that one can boot the .iso directly from grub 2.

    Even better, once you have a functioning install you can boot the ISO directly from GRUB

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot

    Ubuntu ISOs are designed to allow booting directly from the hard
    drive using GRUB 2 and eliminates the need for burning a CD/DVD. This
    feature permits the user to boot and use the "Try Ubuntu" feature of
    the Ubuntu installation CD as well as to install Ubuntu directly from
    an ISO on the hard drive. In addition to Ubuntu ISOs, many other
    Linux distributions as well as popular rescue CDs can be booted
    directly from an ISO file.




    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Josef_M=c3=b6llers?=@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Tue Apr 25 19:30:55 2023
    On 25.04.23 17:56, Mike Easter wrote:
    Josef Moellers wrote:
    Do I need a DL DVD?

    It has been YEARS since I burned an optical for a linux .iso.  I have
    stacks and stacks of old CDs w/ linux, and much smaller such dusty collections of linux on DVD.

    I have a disk (HDD) that I keep ISO images on and whatever I then need,
    I burn onto a DVDRW, so I avoid having too much plastic lying around.

      I've put hundreds on USB since those days,
    and currently my linux USBs are almost all Ventoy.

    Is there any special reason you need to go optical?

    No, as long as I can boot from the medium, I'm fine.
    I hadn't been aware that one can boot an ISO from a USB stick.

    Having said that ... I have now burned 20.04 (without the ".2") on the
    RW and was about to install from that and have the installer pull in the
    newer packages.

    But I may try a stick, having several lying around.

    Thanks,
    Josef

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Apr 26 04:23:00 2023
    On 2023-04-25, Josef Möllers <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 25.04.23 17:56, Mike Easter wrote:
    Josef Moellers wrote:
    Do I need a DL DVD?

    It has been YEARS since I burned an optical for a linux .iso.  I have
    stacks and stacks of old CDs w/ linux, and much smaller such dusty
    collections of linux on DVD.

    I have a disk (HDD) that I keep ISO images on and whatever I then need,
    I burn onto a DVDRW, so I avoid having too much plastic lying around.

      I've put hundreds on USB since those days,
    and currently my linux USBs are almost all Ventoy.

    Is there any special reason you need to go optical?

    No, as long as I can boot from the medium, I'm fine.
    I hadn't been aware that one can boot an ISO from a USB stick.

    Having said that ... I have now burned 20.04 (without the ".2") on the
    RW and was about to install from that and have the installer pull in the newer packages.

    But I may try a stick, having several lying around.

    Please find the time to do so. It is likely that 5GB Linux isos will become more frequent. Sooner or later one has to move with the times.

    As suggested Ventoy is your first port of call. However some iso fail to
    boot from Ventoy, only a few. In this case Etcher is the second port of
    call.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 07:43:57 2023
    Am 25.04.2023 um 13:52:29 Uhr schrieb Josef Moellers:

    I am trying to install Kubuntu 22.04.2 but the image that I find in
    various locations is 5023979520 bytes (sha256sum matches) and all
    tools that I try to use to burn the image (k3b, wodim, growisofs)
    complain that it is way too big (correction: k3b does not complain,
    it just doesn't allow to burn the image

    The image is too big for normal DVDs. It is much better to refuse
    writing than start writing and waste the DVD.

    Get a BluRay or much better, a USB flash disk.

    The area of optical media is almost over.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Josef_M=c3=b6llers?=@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Wed Apr 26 09:06:45 2023
    On 26.04.23 07:43, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 25.04.2023 um 13:52:29 Uhr schrieb Josef Moellers:

    I am trying to install Kubuntu 22.04.2 but the image that I find in
    various locations is 5023979520 bytes (sha256sum matches) and all
    tools that I try to use to burn the image (k3b, wodim, growisofs)
    complain that it is way too big (correction: k3b does not complain,
    it just doesn't allow to burn the image

    The image is too big for normal DVDs. It is much better to refuse
    writing than start writing and waste the DVD.

    Correct. What I was aiming at was that k3b doesn't tell why it will not
    start burning, the "Start" button just stays grey. I would expect some
    popup or at least an error message in the main window to tell me why it
    will not burn.

    Get a BluRay or much better, a USB flash disk.

    Will do so.

    The area of optical media is almost over.

    True.

    Josef

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Josef_M=c3=b6llers?=@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Apr 26 09:09:15 2023
    On 26.04.23 06:23, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-04-25, Josef Möllers <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 25.04.23 17:56, Mike Easter wrote:
    Josef Moellers wrote:
    Do I need a DL DVD?

    It has been YEARS since I burned an optical for a linux .iso.  I have
    stacks and stacks of old CDs w/ linux, and much smaller such dusty
    collections of linux on DVD.

    I have a disk (HDD) that I keep ISO images on and whatever I then need,
    I burn onto a DVDRW, so I avoid having too much plastic lying around.

      I've put hundreds on USB since those days,
    and currently my linux USBs are almost all Ventoy.

    Is there any special reason you need to go optical?

    No, as long as I can boot from the medium, I'm fine.
    I hadn't been aware that one can boot an ISO from a USB stick.

    Having said that ... I have now burned 20.04 (without the ".2") on the
    RW and was about to install from that and have the installer pull in the
    newer packages.

    But I may try a stick, having several lying around.

    Please find the time to do so. It is likely that 5GB Linux isos will become more frequent. Sooner or later one has to move with the times.

    As suggested Ventoy is your first port of call. However some iso fail to
    boot from Ventoy, only a few. In this case Etcher is the second port of
    call.

    These are names that do not mean anything to me (Europe/Germany), so
    I'll try a generic stick and go from there if that fails.

    Thanks to all for enlightening me,

    Josef

    PS I have retired a few months ago. Before that I had colleagues that I
    could just ask, this is much more difficult now.

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  • From Henry Crun@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 10:42:56 2023
    On 26/04/2023 10:09, Josef Möllers wrote:
    On 26.04.23 06:23, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-04-25, Josef Möllers <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 25.04.23 17:56, Mike Easter wrote:
    Josef Moellers wrote:
    Do I need a DL DVD?

    It has been YEARS since I burned an optical for a linux .iso.  I have >>>> stacks and stacks of old CDs w/ linux, and much smaller such dusty
    collections of linux on DVD.

    I have a disk (HDD) that I keep ISO images on and whatever I then need,
    I burn onto a DVDRW, so I avoid having too much plastic lying around.

       I've put hundreds on USB since those days,
    and currently my linux USBs are almost all Ventoy.

    Is there any special reason you need to go optical?

    No, as long as I can boot from the medium, I'm fine.
    I hadn't been aware that one can boot an ISO from a USB stick.

    Having said that ... I have now burned 20.04 (without the ".2") on the
    RW and was about to install from that and have the installer pull in the >>> newer packages.

    But I may try a stick, having several lying around.

    Please find the time to do so. It is likely that 5GB Linux isos will become >> more frequent. Sooner or later one has to move with the times.

    As suggested Ventoy is your first port of call. However some iso fail to
    boot from Ventoy, only a few. In this case Etcher is the second port of
    call.

    These are names that do not mean anything to me (Europe/Germany), so I'll try a generic stick and go from there if that
    fails.

    Thanks to all for enlightening me,

    Josef

    PS I have retired a few months ago. Before that I had colleagues that I could just ask, this is much more difficult now.


    re Ventoy:
    Google / DuckDuck / etc. are your friends.
    c.f. https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
    Plenty of reading matter, HowTo etc.

    Disclaimer: I have not tried Ub. 22.04 on ventoy, however I have succeded in booting Ub 20.04 from a USB stick.

    As an added attraction, ventoy allows booting either with or without persistence, so that you can build your own
    personalised system on a bootable stick.

    HTH
    Mike

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  • From Mark Bourne@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 21:31:28 2023
    Josef Möllers wrote:
    On 26.04.23 06:23, Gordon wrote:
    As suggested Ventoy is your first port of call. However some iso fail to
    boot from Ventoy, only a few. In this case Etcher is the second port of
    call.

    These are names that do not mean anything to me (Europe/Germany), so
    I'll try a generic stick and go from there if that fails.

    Ventoy and Etcher aren't brands of USB sticks, but bootloaders which can
    be installed on a USB stick, which in turn boot ISO files saved to the
    stick. After installing the bootloader to a USB stick, you can just
    copy ISO files onto the stick as normal files, and choose which one to
    boot each time. It saves having to install just one ISO at a time onto
    the stick, particularly when trying ISOs for different distros for
    example, but it also makes it easy to just copy the ISO file for a new
    version and boot it to try or install.

    Pretty much any USB stick large enough to hold several ISO files should
    do. The larger the drive, the more ISO files you'll be able to keep on
    there to choose from when you boot it. A decent USB 3 stick should be
    faster, assuming the PC also has a USB 3 port, but even a cheap USB 2
    one would probably be faster than booting from DVD.

    --
    Mark.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Josef_M=c3=b6llers?=@21:1/5 to Mark Bourne on Fri Apr 28 10:03:58 2023
    On 26.04.23 22:31, Mark Bourne wrote:
    Josef Möllers wrote:
    On 26.04.23 06:23, Gordon wrote:
    As suggested Ventoy is your first port of call. However some iso fail to >>> boot from Ventoy, only a few. In this case Etcher is the second port of
    call.

    These are names that do not mean anything to me (Europe/Germany), so
    I'll try a generic stick and go from there if that fails.

    Ventoy and Etcher aren't brands of USB sticks, but bootloaders which can
    be installed on a USB stick, which in turn boot ISO files saved to the stick.  After installing the bootloader to a USB stick, you can just
    copy ISO files onto the stick as normal files, and choose which one to
    boot each time.  It saves having to install just one ISO at a time onto
    the stick, particularly when trying ISOs for different distros for
    example, but it also makes it easy to just copy the ISO file for a new version and boot it to try or install.

    Pretty much any USB stick large enough to hold several ISO files should
    do.  The larger the drive, the more ISO files you'll be able to keep on there to choose from when you boot it.  A decent USB 3 stick should be faster, assuming the PC also has a USB 3 port, but even a cheap USB 2
    one would probably be faster than booting from DVD.

    OK. I understand now. I guess I need to follow the course "How to use
    Google for Noobs" :-(

    The current state is that I have installed using a 20.04 DVD and then
    updated all the packages. So far no major problems.

    I do have a reasonably large collection of USB sticks (in various colors
    ;-) ) and I'll definitely give Ventoy and Etcher a try.

    Thanks!

    Josef

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