On a Ubuntu 22.04 desktop for some unknown reason I have a drop down
menu at the top of the login screen. In this menu I have

Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

The current desktop is Gnome.

Is there any way I can remove that drop down menu and or the listing so
as I get just a standard login screen. I have also tried to get
Automatic login working but it doesn't, and I wonder if it is because of
the said drop down menu.

I have spent many hours googling this and all I can find is how to
disable wayland.

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On 12/02/2023 16:34, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

The current desktop is Gnome.

Is there any way I can remove that drop down menu and or the listing
so as I get just a standard login screen. I have also tried to get
Automatic login working but it doesn't, and I wonder if it is because
of the said drop down menu.

Do you want your 'default' (automatic no menu) to be xorg or Wayland?

Well whatever is the best for normal use, I don't mind as long as it
still looks like a Ubuntu desktop. It's not my machine but someone
else's here!

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Rob H wrote:

Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

The current desktop is Gnome.

Is there any way I can remove that drop down menu and or the listing so
as I get just a standard login screen. I have also tried to get
Automatic login working but it doesn't, and I wonder if it is because of
the said drop down menu.

Do you want your 'default' (automatic no menu) to be xorg or Wayland?

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Rob H wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Do you want your 'default' (automatic no menu) to be xorg or Wayland?

Well whatever is the best for normal use, I don't mind as long as it
still looks like a Ubuntu desktop. It's not my machine but someone
else's here!

But; my point is that the /purpose/ of the menu is to enable the user to choose, so if you want to get rid of the menu, you are getting rid of
the choice.

That's 'fine' -- but it means that the choice needs to be made ahead of
time.

Historically, xorg has been the display. Developmentally it has taken
Wayland a very long time to work its way in and is still a work in
progress. From a practical perspective, personally I don't really 'care
about' the difference. There are 'complicated' articles which discuss
the details of the 'architectural' difference in the display tech.

If you just want to 'blindly' disable the choice, one method would be to disable Wayland instead of disabling xorg.

My understanding is that you can do that in

/etc/gdm3/custom.conf

WaylandEnable=false

I'll experiment w/ a live Ub 22.04 and see.


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Mike Easter wrote:

If you just want to 'blindly' disable the choice, one method would be to disable Wayland instead of disabling xorg.

My understanding is that you can do that in

/etc/gdm3/custom.conf

WaylandEnable=false

I'll experiment w/ a live Ub 22.04 and see.

I booted a live Ub 22.04 -- I don't like gnome :-/

It did /NOT/ give me the menu; I logged out and back in, still no menu.

I enabled the universe repo so I could add inxi and see inxi -G which
said my graphics were xorg.

So I looked into custom.conf as above and this is what my live showed
(between //):

//
# GDM configuration storage
#
# See /usr/share/gdm/gdm.schemas for a list of available options.

[daemon]
# Uncomment the line below to force the login screen to use Xorg WaylandEnable=false

# Enabling automatic login
AutomaticLoginEnable=true
AutomaticLogin=ubuntu

# Enabling timed login
TimedLoginEnable=false
# TimedLogin = user1
# TimedLoginDelay = 10

[security]

[xdmcp]

[chooser]

[debug]
# Uncomment the line below to turn on debugging
# More verbose logs
# Additionally lets the X server dump core if it crashes
#Enable=true
//

So, in the live case, I didn't get a menu for two reasons; Wayland was
disabled and automatic login was enabled.


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Mike Easter

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On 12/02/2023 17:58, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Do you want your 'default' (automatic no menu) to be xorg or Wayland?

Well whatever is the best for normal use, I don't mind as long as it
still looks like a Ubuntu desktop. It's not my machine but someone
else's here!

But; my point is that the /purpose/ of the menu is to enable the user to choose, so if you want to get rid of the menu, you are getting rid of
the choice.

That's 'fine' -- but it means that the choice needs to be made ahead of
time.

Historically, xorg has been the display.  Developmentally it has taken Wayland a very long time to work its way in and is still a work in progress.  From a practical perspective, personally I don't really 'care about' the difference.  There are 'complicated' articles which discuss
the details of the 'architectural' difference in the display tech.

If you just want to 'blindly' disable the choice, one method would be to disable Wayland instead of disabling xorg.

My understanding is that you can do that in

/etc/gdm3/custom.conf

WaylandEnable=false

I'll experiment w/ a live Ub 22.04 and see.

The particular user doesn't care about any ability to choose desktop
sessions. They only want one that does for them
All the user wants to do is use of emails, web surfing and FB.

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On 12/02/2023 18:51, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

In the Ubuntu machine there are no daemon headings.
All the headings  are like this:
</schemas>
<schemas>

I don't understand what you are talking about.

Yet.

I meant in the gdm.schemas file

You have this and I don't

usr/share/gdm/gdm.schemas for a list of available options.

[daemon]
# Uncomment the line below to force the login screen to use Xorg WaylandEnable=false

# Enabling automatic login
AutomaticLoginEnable=true
AutomaticLogin=ubuntu

# Enabling timed login
TimedLoginEnable=false
# TimedLogin = user1
# TimedLoginDelay = 10

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On 12/02/2023 18:39, Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

If you just want to 'blindly' disable the choice, one method would be
to disable Wayland instead of disabling xorg.

My understanding is that you can do that in

/etc/gdm3/custom.conf

WaylandEnable=false

I'll experiment w/ a live Ub 22.04 and see.

I booted a live Ub 22.04 -- I don't like gnome :-/

It did /NOT/ give me the menu; I logged out and back in, still no menu.

I enabled the universe repo so I could add inxi and see inxi -G which
said my graphics were xorg.

So I looked into custom.conf as above and this is what my live showed (between //):

//
# GDM configuration storage
#
# See /usr/share/gdm/gdm.schemas for a list of available options.

[daemon]
# Uncomment the line below to force the login screen to use Xorg WaylandEnable=false

# Enabling automatic login
AutomaticLoginEnable=true
AutomaticLogin=ubuntu

# Enabling timed login
TimedLoginEnable=false
#  TimedLogin = user1
#  TimedLoginDelay = 10

[security]

[xdmcp]

[chooser]

[debug]
# Uncomment the line below to turn on debugging
# More verbose logs
# Additionally lets the X server dump core if it crashes
#Enable=true
//

So, in the live case, I didn't get a menu for two reasons; Wayland was disabled and automatic login was enabled.

In the Ubuntu machine there are no daemon headings.
All the headings are like this:
</schemas>
<schemas>

The version of Ubuntu is 22.04 LTS

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On 12/02/2023 18:56, Rob H wrote:

On 12/02/2023 18:51, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

In the Ubuntu machine there are no daemon headings.
All the headings  are like this:
</schemas>
<schemas>

I don't understand what you are talking about.

Yet.

I meant in the gdm.schemas file

You have this and I don't

usr/share/gdm/gdm.schemas for a list of available options.

[daemon]
# Uncomment the line below to force the login screen to use Xorg WaylandEnable=false

# Enabling automatic login
AutomaticLoginEnable=true
AutomaticLogin=ubuntu

# Enabling timed login
TimedLoginEnable=false
#  TimedLogin = user1
#  TimedLoginDelay = 10

Ok, I found it now here:
/etc/gdm3/custom.conf

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Rob H wrote:

In the Ubuntu machine there are no daemon headings.
All the headings  are like this:
</schemas>
<schemas>

I don't understand what you are talking about.

Yet.

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Rob H wrote:

Ok, I found it now here:
/etc/gdm3/custom.conf

Good. Just in time; I was getting ready to 'redirect' you :-)

You saved me a transition from my usual machine to the gnome one.

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Mike Easter

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Mike Easter wrote:

I don't like gnome :-/

As a 'trivial' example; the default gnome file manager does not have an 'intuitive' way to access the / dir. That is ridiculous.

One has to use the 'hidden' (down at the bottom of the L pane, offscreen
for some) 'Other locations' to expose 'Computer' device.

To me, that is 'unnatural'. Gnome strikes me as unnatural in other
ways, but I ascribe some of that to my preferences for and 'habits' w/
other DEs which do things differently than gnome.



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Mike Easter

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On 12/02/2023 19:27, Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

I don't like gnome :-/

As a 'trivial' example; the default gnome file manager does not have an 'intuitive' way to access the / dir.  That is ridiculous.

One has to use the 'hidden' (down at the bottom of the L pane, offscreen
for some) 'Other locations' to expose 'Computer' device.

To me, that is 'unnatural'.  Gnome strikes me as unnatural in other
ways, but I ascribe some of that to my preferences for and 'habits' w/
other DEs which do things differently than gnome.

Ok then so getting back to my OP, how can I get rid off the drop down
menu which has the choices. 1 choice will be enough for the said user

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Rob H wrote:

Ok then so getting back to my OP, how can I get rid off the drop down
menu which has the choices. 1 choice will be enough for the said user

Since you found my example of the live

/etc/gdm3/custom.conf

why not configure yours like that and see if it will enable automatic
and disable wayland.

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On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:37:13 +0000
Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:

On a Ubuntu 22.04 desktop for some unknown reason I have a drop down
menu at the top of the login screen. In this menu I have

Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

The current desktop is Gnome.

Is there any way I can remove that drop down menu and or the listing
so as I get just a standard login screen. I have also tried to get
Automatic login working but it doesn't, and I wonder if it is because
of the said drop down menu.

I have spent many hours googling this and all I can find is how to
disable wayland.

I don't believe automatically sign is was checked during installation,
or there wouldn't be a login screen.

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On 12/02/2023 20:13, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Ok then so getting back to my OP, how can I get rid off the drop down
menu which has the choices. 1 choice will be enough for the said user

Since you found my example of the live

/etc/gdm3/custom.conf

why not configure yours like that and see if it will enable automatic
and disable wayland.

I have already disabled wayland as per my OP. That was all I could find
by google.
The drop down menu is still there and as I said I 'think' that is what
is stopping automatic login which the user wants

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Rob H wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

why not configure yours like that and see if it will enable automatic
and disable wayland.

I have already disabled wayland as per my OP. That was all I could find
by google.

The drop down menu is still there and as I said I 'think' that is what
is stopping automatic login which the user wants

But MY custom.conf had more than just disable wayland. It *ALSO* had
automatic login:

# Enabling automatic login
AutomaticLoginEnable=true
AutomaticLogin=ubuntu

... of course that live user is 'ubuntu' which would be something else
for an installed user.

Also note the several sections (of mine posted earlier) which are
completely empty, such as [chooser] and others.

You should compare your entire custom.conf w/ my live's entire custom.conf

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Mike Easter

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On 12/02/2023 20:47, Johnny wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:37:13 +0000
Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:

On a Ubuntu 22.04 desktop for some unknown reason I have a drop down
menu at the top of the login screen. In this menu I have

Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

The current desktop is Gnome.

Is there any way I can remove that drop down menu and or the listing
so as I get just a standard login screen. I have also tried to get
Automatic login working but it doesn't, and I wonder if it is because
of the said drop down menu.

I have spent many hours googling this and all I can find is how to
disable wayland.

I don't believe automatically sign is was checked during installation,
or there wouldn't be a login screen.

I did set it for automatic login in 'users' and the slider button is
across to the right

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On 12/02/2023 20:54, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

why not configure yours like that and see if it will enable automatic
and disable wayland.

I have already disabled wayland as per my OP. That was all I could
find by google.

The drop down menu is still there and as I said I 'think' that is what
is stopping automatic login which the user wants

But MY custom.conf had more than just disable wayland.  It *ALSO* had automatic login:

# Enabling automatic login
AutomaticLoginEnable=true
AutomaticLogin=ubuntu

... of course that live user is 'ubuntu' which would be something else
for an installed user.

Also note the several sections (of mine posted earlier) which are
completely empty, such as [chooser] and others.

You should compare your entire custom.conf w/ my live's entire custom.conf

I changed the custom.conf file in the gdm3 directory, rebooted the
ubuntu machine, and no difference. The drop down menu is STILL there,
and there is no automatic login.

I guess now it can' be done. (what I wanted)

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Rob H wrote:

I changed the custom.conf file in the gdm3 directory, rebooted the
ubuntu machine, and no difference. The drop down menu is STILL there,
and there is no automatic login.

I guess now it can' be done. (what I wanted)

<https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-automatic-logon/>
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Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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On 13/02/2023 12:44, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Rob H wrote:

I changed the custom.conf file in the gdm3 directory, rebooted the
ubuntu machine, and no difference. The drop down menu is STILL there,
and there is no automatic login.

I guess now it can' be done. (what I wanted)

<https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-automatic-logon/>

Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine, and
there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the listings.

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Rob H wrote:

Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine, and
there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the listings.

I wonder if I can jigger around my live Ub to cause it to give me such a
menu.

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Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine,
and there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the
listings.

I wonder if I can jigger around my live Ub to cause it to give me such a menu.

This page says I should have a cogwheel on the login screen, but the
live doesn't even after I add a user and pass.

https://beebom.com/how-switch-between-wayland-xorg-ubuntu/
How to Switch Between Wayland and Xorg in Ubuntu

I've enabled Wayland in the custom.conf but it only boots into xorg and
I don't get an option to login Wayland, no menu.

So, maybe I can't get such a menu in live. The default live which uses
user ubuntu doesn't show ubuntu as a user in the settings.

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On 13/02/2023 18:48, Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine,
and there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the
listings.

I wonder if I can jigger around my live Ub to cause it to give me such
a menu.

This page says I should have a cogwheel on the login screen, but the
live doesn't even after I add a user and pass.

https://beebom.com/how-switch-between-wayland-xorg-ubuntu/
How to Switch Between Wayland and Xorg in Ubuntu

I've enabled Wayland in the custom.conf but it only boots into xorg and
I don't get an option to login Wayland, no menu.

So, maybe I can't get such a menu in live.  The default live which uses
user ubuntu doesn't show ubuntu as a user in the settings.

Sods law eh?
You might say I'm lucky in one sense. I enabled wayland but changed xorg.

It's definitely strange why I get a drop down menu, and you don't.
Oh well.

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Rob H wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine,
and there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the
listings.

I wonder if I can jigger around my live Ub to cause it to give me
such a menu.

This page says I should have a cogwheel on the login screen, but the
live doesn't even after I add a user and pass.

https://beebom.com/how-switch-between-wayland-xorg-ubuntu/
How to Switch Between Wayland and Xorg in Ubuntu

I've enabled Wayland in the custom.conf but it only boots into xorg
and I don't get an option to login Wayland, no menu.

So, maybe I can't get such a menu in live.  The default live which
uses user ubuntu doesn't show ubuntu as a user in the settings.

Sods law eh?
You might say I'm lucky in one sense. I enabled wayland but changed xorg.

It's definitely strange why I get a drop down menu, and you don't.
Oh well.

Also, absent that login menu which I'm finding impossible to enable, I
haven't been able to find command line instructions to enable wayland.

I can get out of the xorg gnome-session, but I can't get into a
gnome-session that is wayland.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31213773/how-to-start-gnome-wayland-session-from-command-line-tty
How to start GNOME Wayland session from command line/tty?

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I got into a wayland session - yay!

Mike Easter wrote:

Also, absent that login menu which I'm finding impossible to enable,
I haven't been able to find command line instructions to enable
wayland.

I finally found an instruction which had the key words to show me the way.

Since this is a live, my strategy has been to logout/in, but I
encountered instructions which took away the logout/in (in favor of a
reboot, which loses the changes of a live) and gave me the choice of
systemctl restart gdm3 because it said:

After you have made the desired changes, save this file and exit it.
You will need to restart GDM3 or reboot your Ubuntu 22.04 desktop for
the changes to take effect.

So, using the live session, I simply change the custom.conf by accessing
it w/ the default gedit started w/ sudo to enable wayland and restart
gdm3 w/ systemctl

$ sudo systemctl restart gdm3

I still haven't figured out how to get the menu, but for now I'll assume
that 'you can't get there' in a live session because its user ubuntu
isn't the same kind of user as you would have w/ a conventional install.
The login screen isn't 'conventional' compared to screenshots I've
seen for Ub 22.04 installed. That is, there *isn't* a login screen w/
the default live boot and if you logout/in to get one, it isn't the same
as a conventional installed Ub 22.04 and there is no gear icon.

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Mike Easter wrote:

I got into a wayland session - yay!

So, using the live session, I simply change the custom.conf by accessing
it w/ the default gedit started w/ sudo to enable wayland and restart
gdm3 w/ systemctl

$ sudo systemctl restart gdm3

The strategy for a KDE such as KDE neon is different. The current live
neon already has the necessary 'ingredients' to just boot into wayland,
but the default live comes up in xorg.

So, in order to get wayland on neon, I drop out of the default xorg
desktop w/ such as ctrl-alt-F3 to a tty, then login w/ the default user
neon pass (empty return), then:

dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland

Then I'm in wayland.

If I want to go back to the original xorg, it is still in ctrl-alt-F1

That is pretty convenient.

I think I'll start another thread, since I 'like' KDE but I don't care
much for gnome :-)


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Mike Easter

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Rob H wrote:

On 13/02/2023 18:48, Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine,
and there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the
listings.

I wonder if I can jigger around my live Ub to cause it to give me
such a menu.

This page says I should have a cogwheel on the login screen, but the
live doesn't even after I add a user and pass.

https://beebom.com/how-switch-between-wayland-xorg-ubuntu/
How to Switch Between Wayland and Xorg in Ubuntu

I've enabled Wayland in the custom.conf but it only boots into xorg
and I don't get an option to login Wayland, no menu.

So, maybe I can't get such a menu in live.  The default live which
uses user ubuntu doesn't show ubuntu as a user in the settings.

Sods law eh?
You might say I'm lucky in one sense. I enabled wayland but changed xorg.

It's definitely strange why I get a drop down menu, and you don't.
Oh well.

Okay I do not understand what dropdown on the TOP of the login greeter
which you are referring to. Are you using the stock Ubuntu 22.04 gdm
greeter? Because on the TOP is only indicators for with dropdowns for
assistive features or system settings such are network and volume
controls. The gear is in the BOTTOM RIGHT for desktop options to select
DE or WM.

Where is what the stock greater looks like when your have multiple user profiles: <https://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/22.04login1>

And if you have a single, or after selecting a user, here is the greeter
login page and see the gear is in the lower-right: <https://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/22.04login2>

I have wayland selected. Maybe a screenshot of what you are seeing might
help. It seem like you have something non-standard going on here...


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Take care,

Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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On 15/02/2023 10:42, Dan Purgert wrote:

On 2023-02-15, Rob H wrote:
[...]

I installed the ubuntu stock version some time ago and subsequently
updated / upgraded it to now 22.04.
A short while ago I installed the Plasma desktop to try it out, but it
wasn't preferred over the stock ubuntu desktop at that time.

Make sure that the "extra" desktop environment(s) are fully removed.
They're (usually) the culprit for "blocked" auto-logins that previously worked.

I did remove Plasma with
sudo apt remove plasma-desktop --autoremove

but it still is in the listing:

Plasma(X11)
Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

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On 14/02/2023 22:44, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Rob H wrote:

On 13/02/2023 18:48, Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine,
and there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the
listings.

I wonder if I can jigger around my live Ub to cause it to give me
such a menu.

This page says I should have a cogwheel on the login screen, but the
live doesn't even after I add a user and pass.

https://beebom.com/how-switch-between-wayland-xorg-ubuntu/
How to Switch Between Wayland and Xorg in Ubuntu

I've enabled Wayland in the custom.conf but it only boots into xorg
and I don't get an option to login Wayland, no menu.

So, maybe I can't get such a menu in live.  The default live which
uses user ubuntu doesn't show ubuntu as a user in the settings.

Sods law eh?
You might say I'm lucky in one sense. I enabled wayland but changed xorg.

It's definitely strange why I get a drop down menu, and you don't.
Oh well.

Okay I do not understand what dropdown on the TOP of the login greeter
which you are referring to. Are you using the stock Ubuntu 22.04 gdm
greeter? Because on the TOP is only indicators for with dropdowns for assistive features or system settings such are network and volume
controls. The gear is in the BOTTOM RIGHT for desktop options to select
DE or WM.

Where is what the stock greater looks like when your have multiple user profiles: <https://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/22.04login1>

And if you have a single, or after selecting a user, here is the greeter login page and see the gear is in the lower-right: <https://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/22.04login2>

I have wayland selected. Maybe a screenshot of what you are seeing might help. It seem like you have something non-standard going on here...

I installed the ubuntu stock version some time ago and subsequently
updated / upgraded it to now 22.04.
A short while ago I installed the Plasma desktop to try it out, but it
wasn't preferred over the stock ubuntu desktop at that time.
As far as I remember , but didn't realise at the time, it was then that
the said drop down menu appeared at the left hand top of the screen,
with 4 options of desktop environments.
The actual screen is a mix of dark and light blue with the login name
and box over towards the right.

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On 2023-02-15, Rob H wrote:
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I installed the ubuntu stock version some time ago and subsequently
updated / upgraded it to now 22.04.
A short while ago I installed the Plasma desktop to try it out, but it
wasn't preferred over the stock ubuntu desktop at that time.

Make sure that the "extra" desktop environment(s) are fully removed.
They're (usually) the culprit for "blocked" auto-logins that previously
worked.


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Rob H wrote:

I  did remove Plasma with
sudo apt remove plasma-desktop --autoremove

but it still is in the listing:

Plasma(X11)
Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

Our earlier 'fixing' discussions involved etc/gdm/custom.conf

A 'normal' Plasma install on a current KDE Ub such as for KDE neon or
Kubuntu doesn't even use a gdm dir at all because gdm is 'gnome display manager'. Gnome is NOT KDE.

KDE uses SDDM for simple desktop display manager, but it doesn't
'reconfigure' between xorg and wayland the same way as I described in a different sub-thread.

I mention all that not by way of an 'answer', but by way of saying that
when you introduce an entirely new/different desktop environment, a LOT
of things are done differently.

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Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

I  did remove Plasma with
sudo apt remove plasma-desktop --autoremove

but it still is in the listing:

Plasma(X11)
Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

Our earlier 'fixing' discussions involved etc/gdm/custom.conf

Or, said another way;

Installing something as 'drastic' as a different desktop environment
based on an altogether different 'framework' of toolkit such as that
gnome gtk vs kde plasma qt, and then 'uninstalling' said drastic change, doesn't 'necessarily' (or even likely) result in the system being the
*same* as it was before the drastic change was made.


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On 15/02/2023 15:41, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

I  did remove Plasma with
sudo apt remove plasma-desktop --autoremove

but it still is in the listing:

Plasma(X11)
Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

Our earlier 'fixing' discussions involved etc/gdm/custom.conf

A 'normal' Plasma install on a current KDE Ub such as for KDE neon or
Kubuntu doesn't even use a gdm dir at all because gdm is 'gnome display manager'. Gnome is NOT KDE.

KDE uses SDDM for simple desktop display manager, but it doesn't 'reconfigure' between xorg and wayland the same way as I described in a different sub-thread.

I mention all that not by way of an 'answer', but by way of saying that
when you introduce an entirely new/different desktop environment, a LOT
of things are done differently.

Actually it was /etc/gdm3/custom.conf, but I know what you meant

It doesn't seem to make any difference what I enable or disable in the
said file, there is no difference to the login page nor the window
system using Wayland. If it is selected in the drop down list that is
what I get.

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Rob H wrote:

It doesn't seem to make any difference what I enable or disable in the
said file, there is no difference to the login page nor the window
system using Wayland. If it is selected in the drop down list that is
what I get.

This isn't an answer either, but just a data point; part of what one
plasma 'piece' does is provide plasma-wayland-session to enable a user
to choose which xorg or wayland they want for the session at login. Of
course that p-w-s is NOT going to be using gdm3 'type' conf because it
doesn't use gdm3 at all.

To my earlier point, I consider that installing something like a VERY
different DE is going to 'break' the old system to do its job the 'new'
system way, and removing the 'new' KDE isn't going to 'fix' what it
broke because it wasn't the one which built what it broke.

If you know what I mean. Gene :-)

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On 15/02/2023 18:33, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

It doesn't seem to make any difference what I enable or disable in the
said file, there is no difference to the login page nor the window
system using Wayland. If it is selected in the drop down list that is
what I get.

This isn't an answer either, but just a data point; part of what one
plasma 'piece' does is provide plasma-wayland-session to enable a user
to choose which xorg or wayland they want for the session at login.  Of course that p-w-s is NOT going to be using gdm3 'type' conf because it doesn't use gdm3 at all.

To my earlier point, I consider that installing something like a VERY different DE is going to 'break' the old system to do its job the 'new' system way, and removing the 'new' KDE isn't going to 'fix' what it
broke because it wasn't the one which built what it broke.

If you know what I mean. Gene :-)

Ok, so you think that installing a very different desktop would or could 'break' the existing rather than old system.

As there are '10 best desktop environments on 20.04/22.04, which one in
your experience would you suggest.

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Rob H wrote:

As there are '10 best desktop environments on 20.04/22.04, which one in
your experience would you suggest.

That is something each person has to figure out for himself/ themselves.
My personal everyday driver is Mint's Cinnamon I'm using here and which
Mint v. of Ubuntu I like better than Ub's decisions. Mint has minty
tools, mint eschews Ub's snap, mint doesn't do gnome in favor of the
other gtk DEs Cinn, Mate, & XFCE.

But, since I like a lot of other things too, I'm 'always' dabbling in alternates. My favorite KDE over Ub is KDE neon, there are a lot of
things I like about MX over Debian and of its DEs I like their XFCE more
than their KDE.

In the example of Mint, Mint doesn't 'do' wayland at all; it isn't an
option. No menu :-)

So if I 'suggest' Mint Cinnamon, it isn't actually because I think YOU
should choose that one, it is only because based on what I dabble w/,
which is a lot, it is my personal choice for my most active use.

I also use a KDE neon for 'other purposes' because I want to use its
Kleopatra and I like its file manager 'better' for those purposes, which
is mostly dl/ing linux .iso/s, and checking their hash, and
authenticating their key signature.

Also, in both cases I mostly use persistent live rather than installed
to hdd. I use multiple machines to 'turn' from one system to another,
not any kind of dual booting. A small percentage of the time I also use
a Win7 still installed on a refurbed desktop that mostly does linux
stuff on USBs.



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On 15/02/2023 19:17, Mike Easter wrote:

Rob H wrote:

As there are '10 best desktop environments on 20.04/22.04, which one
in your experience would you suggest.

That is something each person has to figure out for himself/ themselves.
My personal everyday driver is Mint's Cinnamon I'm using here and which
Mint v. of Ubuntu I like better than Ub's decisions.  Mint has minty
tools, mint eschews Ub's snap, mint doesn't do gnome in favor of the
other gtk DEs Cinn, Mate, & XFCE.

But, since I like a lot of other things too, I'm 'always' dabbling in alternates.  My favorite KDE over Ub is KDE neon, there are a lot of
things I like about MX over Debian and of its DEs I like their XFCE more
than their KDE.

In the example of Mint, Mint doesn't 'do' wayland at all; it isn't an option.  No menu :-)

So if I 'suggest' Mint Cinnamon, it isn't actually because I think YOU
should choose that one, it is only because based on what I dabble w/,
which is a lot, it is my personal choice for my most active use.

I also use a KDE neon for 'other purposes' because I want to use its Kleopatra and I like its file manager 'better' for those purposes, which
is mostly dl/ing linux .iso/s, and checking their hash, and
authenticating their key signature.

Also, in both cases I mostly use persistent live rather than installed
to hdd.  I use multiple machines to 'turn' from one system to another,
not any kind of dual booting.  A small percentage of the time I also use
a Win7 still installed on a refurbed desktop that mostly does linux
stuff on USBs.

Thanks but after installing Cinnamon desktop, and rebooting, I still get
the same login screen with that *!**!1 drop down menu. The only
difference to it now is that Cinnamon ism added to the list.

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Rob H wrote:

Thanks but after installing Cinnamon desktop, and rebooting, I still get
the same login screen with that *!**!1 drop down menu. The only
difference to it now is that Cinnamon ism added to the list.

I wasn't talking about Cinnamon on top of everything else; I was talking
about 'my' Cinnamon on my Mint.

In this case you don't solve 'secondary DE installing problems' by
uninstalling that DE and then installing another different DE.

This login menu business isn't a 'big' problem, but it also isn't an
'ordinary' problem that an ordinary or intermediate experienced user
knows how to solve.

When 'we' started working on this problem in this thread, no one even
knew that your situation had been 'compounded' by the KDE Plasma DE
install 'on top of' your initial Gnome.

In my dabbling, I've never had your menu problem/condition, and to the
best of my recollection, I've never installed KDE 'over' Gnome.
However, I have read about it years ago in the days (more than a decade
ago) I was reading psychocats talking about KDE vs Gnome.

2012 https://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde How to install KDE on Ubuntu

Currently wayland is an 'advance' whose issues haven't yet been solved
enough to make it 'mainstream' -- distro/s like Mint stay away from
those 'problems' because they have other fish to fry at the present.

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On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 20:13:43 +0000, Rob H wrote:

Thanks but after installing Cinnamon desktop, and rebooting, I still get
the same login screen with that *!**!1 drop down menu. The only
difference to it now is that Cinnamon ism added to the list.

Okay you still have the sdda display manager greeter selected. You need to change it with the command

sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3

select gdm3 from the list, then you can remove sddm with

sudo apt remove sddm

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On 16/02/2023 22:10, Jonathan N Little wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 20:13:43 +0000, Rob H wrote:

Thanks but after installing Cinnamon desktop, and rebooting, I still get
the same login screen with that *!**!1 drop down menu. The only
difference to it now is that Cinnamon ism added to the list.

Okay you still have the sdda display manager greeter selected. You need to change it with the command

sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3

select gdm3 from the list, then you can remove sddm with

sudo apt remove sddm

Brilliant, thanks!.

Automatic login is working again with no login screen.

Thank you

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