Hello!
I just want to express why I switched my main desktop machine to Debian yesterday.
On 12/24/22 22:03, Marco Moock wrote:
Hello!
I just want to express why I switched my main desktop machine to
Debian yesterday.
Wow. Great! Good for you.
You're free to use whatever you want. No reason to whine.
Am 24.12.2022 um 22:09:32 Uhr schrieb stepore:
On 12/24/22 22:03, Marco Moock wrote:
Hello!
I just want to express why I switched my main desktop machine
to Debian yesterday.
Wow. Great! Good for you.
You're free to use whatever you want. No reason to whine.
I think it is good to point out why I moved away. I usually don't
change things without a reason.
Hello!
I just want to express why I switched my main desktop machine to Debian yesterday.
I started using Ubuntu 14.04 the first time in sept 2015 on a ZBook 15 laptop. I was 14 at that time and I had enough from Windows.
In 2017 switched from my shuttle SK22G2 with Vista to an HP Compaq
DC7100. It had an Intel i915G chipset and it wasn't supported by
Windows 7, so I installed Lubuntu.
I replaced that machine and currently it is a Ryzen.
I had Ubuntu on it, but with a different desktop environment. First
LXDE, then mwm.
In 2018 I got a Dell Latitude D600 with Pentium M. Ubuntu discontinued
i686 support, so I switched to Debian in 2019. That was the first
Debian installation.
I got a Thinkpad X40 in 2022, I also use Debian on it. In 2022 I
switched from a laptop to a desktop at work and installed Debian.
Yesterday X11 was broken. This was the situation where I installed
Debian on my Ryzen machine.
Now the remaining Ubuntu systems are on Raspberry Pi and one desktop
computer (the DC7100 is now in use again).
Why did I replaced Ubuntu?
They discontinued i686 support, so I had to switch some machines.
The main reason is that I don't like the changes Canonical did in the
past years.
Things like snap are annoying, especially if they try to enforce users
to use it (e.g. for Firefox and Chromium). I am aware that I can use
3rd party repos, but I see no reason for staying on Ubuntu.
Another advantage of Debian is that there exists sid as a
rolling-release, although it might be a bit unstable.
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of
the reasons being mandatory snaps, the other reason is
that any distro that does not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
On 12/25/22 10:17, bad sector wrote:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of the reasons being
mandatory snaps, the other reason is
I hate snaps as much as the next guy, but snaps are _not_ mandatory.
Hell, you can even remove the entire snap underpinnings.
that any distro that does not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
<sigh>
And this too... nobody is stopping you to su to root either. Hell you
can even log in as root if you're so inclined.
On 12/25/22 10:17, bad sector wrote:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of
the reasons being mandatory snaps, the other reason is
I hate snaps as much as the next guy, but snaps are _not_ mandatory.
Hell, you can even remove the entire snap underpinnings.
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of
the reasons being mandatory snaps, the other reason is
that any distro that does not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
schrieb stepore:
I hate snaps as much as the next guy, but snaps are _not_ mandatory.
Hell, you can even remove the entire snap underpinnings.
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via apt
anymore and there is no real reason for that.
I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
Am 25.12.2022 um 21:59:13 Uhr schrieb stepore:
On 12/25/22 10:17, bad sector wrote:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of
the reasons being mandatory snaps, the other reason is
I hate snaps as much as the next guy, but snaps are _not_ mandatory.
Hell, you can even remove the entire snap underpinnings.
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via apt
anymore and there is no real reason for that.
I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
Marco Moock wrote:
Am 25.12.2022 um 21:59:13 Uhr schrieb stepore:
On 12/25/22 10:17, bad sector wrote:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of
the reasons being mandatory snaps, the other reason is
I hate snaps as much as the next guy, but snaps are _not_ mandatory.
Hell, you can even remove the entire snap underpinnings.
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via apt
anymore and there is no real reason for that.
I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
We that this not technically true. Running 22.04 with deb version for90.0.4430.212
firefox. I also uninstalled snapd and snap-store. If you do not want to modify then there is always another distro to suit.
We that this not technically true. Running 22.04 with deb version for firefox. I also uninstalled snapd and snap-store. If you do not want
to modify then there is always another distro to suit.
On my main-use, desktop, running Ubuntu 20.04 without snaps, but with
both Firefox (v108.0.1) and Chromium (v90.0.4430.212) installed by
apt. Google/Duckduck/whatever are your friends.
Am 25.12.2022 um 13:17:39 Uhr schrieb bad sector:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of
the reasons being mandatory snaps, the other reason is
that any distro that does not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
You can log in as root, you only need to set a password for it.
I just want to express why I switched my main desktop machine to Debian yesterday.
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via
apt anymore and there is no real reason for that. I assume
Canonical wants to make users use snap.
Marco Moock <[email protected]>:
I just want to express why I switched my main desktop machine to
Debian yesterday.
Isn't Linux Mint the better Ubuntu?
;-)
Yrrah
(ducking)
On 2022-12-26 12:08, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 25.12.2022 um 13:17:39 Uhr schrieb bad sector:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of
the reasons being mandatory snaps, the other reason is
that any distro that does not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
You can log in as root, you only need to set a password for it.
how do I do that beginning with sudo? If I try I
get a prompt to change my user pwd, not root.
On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via
apt anymore and there is no real reason for that. I assume
Canonical wants to make users use snap.
You say that like it's a bad thing - why?
Isn't Linux Mint the better Ubuntu?
;-)
On 2022-12-26 12:08, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 25.12.2022 um 13:17:39 Uhr schrieb bad sector:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of
the reasons being mandatory snaps, the other reason is
that any distro that does not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
You can log in as root, you only need to set a password for it.
how do I do that beginning with sudo? If I try I
get a prompt to change my user pwd, not root.
On 2022-12-27, bad sector <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-12-26 12:08, Marco Moock wrote:In a term/console if you run sudo -i are you now at a root prompt?(In
Am 25.12.2022 um 13:17:39 Uhr schrieb bad sector:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of the reasons
being mandatory snaps, the other reason is that any distro that does
not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
You can log in as root, you only need to set a password for it.
how do I do that beginning with sudo? If I try I get a prompt to
change my user pwd, not root.
Ubuntu)
What happens when you run
passwd root
??
On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via
apt anymore and there is no real reason for that. I assume
Canonical wants to make users use snap.
You say that like it's a bad thing - why?
Yrrah wrote:
Isn't Linux Mint the better Ubuntu?
;-)
And a pretty nice Cinnamon Deb :-)
Marco Moock <[email protected]>:
I just want to express why I switched my main desktop machine to
Debian yesterday.
Isn't Linux Mint the better Ubuntu?
how do I do that beginning with sudo? If I try I
get a prompt to change my user pwd, not root.
On 27 Dec 2022 14:02:49 GMT, Kirk_Rockstein wrote:
On 2022-12-27, bad sector <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-12-26 12:08, Marco Moock wrote:In a term/console if you run sudo -i are you now at a root prompt?(In
Am 25.12.2022 um 13:17:39 Uhr schrieb bad sector:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of the reasons
being mandatory snaps, the other reason is that any distro that does >>>>> not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
You can log in as root, you only need to set a password for it.
how do I do that beginning with sudo? If I try I get a prompt to
change my user pwd, not root.
Ubuntu)
I get a prompt for UserMe's password and THEN
the root prompt
What happens when you run
passwd root
??
that worked, thanks
I've never done this roundabout way before
Now I just need to do su and then root password,
same as on all (or almost all) my other distros
Another thing I miss a lot on all but the Suse
systems is the file-manager in root mode, it makes
a lot of footwork unnecessary. But this is not
an ubuntu issue, ONLY suse does it right.
On 2022-12-27, bad sector <[email protected]> wrote:
On 27 Dec 2022 14:02:49 GMT, Kirk_Rockstein wrote:
On 2022-12-27, bad sector <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-12-26 12:08, Marco Moock wrote:In a term/console if you run sudo -i are you now at a root prompt?(In
Am 25.12.2022 um 13:17:39 Uhr schrieb bad sector:
My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of the reasons
being mandatory snaps, the other reason is that any distro that does >>>>>> not let me log in as (or su to)
root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
You can log in as root, you only need to set a password for it.
how do I do that beginning with sudo? If I try I get a prompt to
change my user pwd, not root.
Ubuntu)
I get a prompt for UserMe's password and THEN
the root prompt
Yeah, sorry I didn't make that clear.
What happens when you run
passwd root
??
that worked, thanks
I've never done this roundabout way before
Now I just need to do su and then root password,
same as on all (or almost all) my other distros
Another thing I miss a lot on all but the Suse
systems is the file-manager in root mode, it makes
a lot of footwork unnecessary. But this is not
an ubuntu issue, ONLY suse does it right.
Not sure I'm understanding your problem.
Can you use gksu,kdesu or run them from a root term?
gksu xfe
gksu gnome-commander
gksu nautilis
etc.
OR
kdesu konqueror
kdesu dolphin
kdesu krusader
etc.
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via apt
anymore and there is no real reason for that.
I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:snipped....
But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been known...snipped
On 1/20/23 8:51 PM, JanC wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:snipped....
But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been...snipped
known
You don't have to settle. Here is a link to Install Firefox as a .deb
How to Install Firefox as a .Deb on Ubuntu 22.04 (Not a Snap) https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04
Am 21.01.2023 um 03:51:37 Uhr schrieb JanC:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via apt
anymore and there is no real reason for that.
I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
According to people at Canonical I chatted with, the reason why
Firefox is a snap now is that Mozilla wanted it so (it’s Mozilla
employees who maintain those packages in Ubuntu, not Canonical
employees), and thus it wasn’t a Canonical decision.
I can believe that Mozilla wants that (Mozilla already wanted many
nasty things), but the people at Canonical could create deb packages,
like Debian does.
But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been
known for over a year (even longer if you also consider that the same
issue already existed in the Chromium package too!), so I hold both
Mozilla and Canonical responsible for this ungoing fiasco: Mozilla
for deciding to use Snap prematurely, the other for allowing them to
do it (it’s their distro after all).
Other distros like Debian, Mint, Slackware etc. don't use snap by
default, the provide FF with their normal packaging system.
Marco Moock wrote:
Am 21.01.2023 um 03:51:37 Uhr schrieb JanC:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via
apt anymore and there is no real reason for that.
I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
According to people at Canonical I chatted with, the reason why
Firefox is a snap now is that Mozilla wanted it so (it’s Mozilla
employees who maintain those packages in Ubuntu, not Canonical
employees), and thus it wasn’t a Canonical decision.
I can believe that Mozilla wants that (Mozilla already wanted many
nasty things), but the people at Canonical could create deb
packages, like Debian does.
But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been
known for over a year (even longer if you also consider that the
same issue already existed in the Chromium package too!), so I
hold both Mozilla and Canonical responsible for this ungoing
fiasco: Mozilla for deciding to use Snap prematurely, the other
for allowing them to do it (it’s their distro after all).
Other distros like Debian, Mint, Slackware etc. don't use snap byLinux Mint signs a partnership with Mozilla – The Linux Mint Blog https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4244
default, the provide FF with their normal packaging system.
"Firefox will continue to be distributed as .deb packages through the official Linux Mint repositories. Its configuration and the way it is
built is changing to make the Linux Mint version of Firefox much more similar (almost identical in fact) to the version which is
distributed by Mozilla."
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