Anyone using this?
On 10/3/22 18:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
Anyone using this?
Nope; nobody!
Also, based on Arch. This is an Ubuntu group.
Fixed the subject heading for you. You're welcome.
On 10/3/22 18:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
Anyone using this?
Nope; nobody!
Also, based on Arch. This is an Ubuntu group.
Fixed the subject heading for you. You're welcome.
Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
https://endeavouros.com
Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
https://endeavouros.com
Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who invents a wheel
again. After all we never can have enough incompatible releases or
enough useless work.
Linux has consistently enjoyed a tremendous amount of attention from
the software development community. This week’s release of Linux 6.0,
one of the largest Linux releases ever, boasted more than 78,000
commits by almost 5,000 different authors since 5.15. Linux has a
broad developer base reaching from many different industry
stakeholders and independent contributors working on the careful
development and maintenance of its hundreds of subsystems. The scale
of Linux development is on a level unmatched by any other software
project — free software or otherwise.
Edmund wrote:
Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who invents a wheel
again. After all we never can have enough incompatible releases or
enough useless work.
and stop worrying about compatability issues - Java is going to fix all
that
Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
and stop worrying about compatability issues - Java is going to fix
all that
How do you figure that? Or is that a 'joke' (facetious)?
On 04/10/2022 03:01, stepore wrote:
On 10/3/22 18:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
Anyone using this?
Nope; nobody!
Also, based on Arch. This is an Ubuntu group.
Fixed the subject heading for you. You're welcome.
Another little fix for the Subject... ;-)
On 10/4/22 03:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
https://endeavouros.com
Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who invents a wheel again.
After all we never can have enough incompatible releases or enough useless work.
Edmund
Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
https://endeavouros.com
Edmund wrote:
Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who invents a wheel
again. After all we never can have enough incompatible releases or
enough useless work.
Most linux users don't agree w/ your point of view about there being too
many distributions, too much choice in desktops, or too little
compatibility between the packaging.
There is a solution to your 'problem';
select a base and a desktop
(compare that to selecting Win or Mac) and 'stick w/' that selection and 'ignore' all of the other varieties.
I recently saw this statement in an article by a writer arguing against
the inclusion of Rust as an element in linux kernel dev:
Linux has consistently enjoyed a tremendous amount of attention from
the software development community. This week’s release of Linux 6.0,
one of the largest Linux releases ever, boasted more than 78,000
commits by almost 5,000 different authors since 5.15. Linux has a
broad developer base reaching from many different industry
stakeholders and independent contributors working on the careful
development and maintenance of its hundreds of subsystems. The scale
of Linux development is on a level unmatched by any other software
project — free software or otherwise.
There's a *reason* linux attracts all of that dev.
And Endeavor isn't reinventing the wheel. Arch is a great base; XFCE is a fine desktop, EOS is a good distro.
On 04/10/2022 02:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
https://endeavouros.com
Looks good in what ways? Does it do anything different from Ubuntu or
Mint?
I am not using it ant I haven't downloaded it either but I'm assuming it
can run firefox or chrome and thunderbird which Ubuntu and Mint does but
this alone is not going to tempt me. With everything there must be a
reason to use it.
Mike Easter wrote:
select a base and a desktop (compare that to selecting Win or Mac)
and 'stick w/' that selection and 'ignore' all of the other
varieties.
Hmm that would be like Linus Torvalds does isn't it,
well guess what? :-)What?
Forget it. It's not based on buntu.
Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
https://endeavouros.com
Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian or
maybe not.
On 10/5/22 06:59, Mike Easter wrote:
Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent
Debian or maybe not.
It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that
make me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods
we have choice.
Edmund wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
select a base and a desktop (compare that to selecting Win or Mac)
and 'stick w/' that selection and 'ignore' all of the other
varieties.
Hmm that would be like Linus Torvalds does isn't it,
That would be RedHat's Fedora Gnome, even 'tho' he doesn't like gnome
much. I like gnome much less. But choosing to go w/ RedHat instead of Canonical isn't such a bad idea for someone. But, that would be the
concept of choosing a/one base and sticking w/ it like Mac or Win.
Personally I like there being lots of choices, and I prefer Mint's
version of using a 'buntu base over 'buntu's.
well guess what? :-)What?
I also read that LT uses the M2 MacBook Air w/ his distro when he
travels. I don't know how many other linux users are following in his footsteps on that.
Stupid things, such as?
And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)
mechanic wrote:
Stupid things, such as?
Mike Easter wrote:
Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian
or maybe not.
It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that make
me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods we have choice.---------------------
Some are politics I don't agree with and don't like discussing politics publicly.
Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree with.
Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine decision technically and have no problem with them as optional, but when they're actively removing packages like Firefox and replacing with snaps, it's a garbage decision. I rue the day when not only other major packages are replaced with snaps but even base system packages too. To the point
where snaps will be dependent upon and removing them won't be an option.
At that point, I'm out!
And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)
I'm well aware of all the distros. I'll stick with Debian if/when Ubuntu jumps the shark.
Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
https://endeavouros.com
stepore wrote:
mechanic wrote:(I think) stepore should've left enough previous context such as:
Stupid things, such as?
---------------------
stepore wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian
or maybe not.
It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that make
me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods we have
choice.---------------------
Some are politics I don't agree with and don't like discussing politics publicly.
Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree with.
Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine decision technically and have no problem with them as
optional, but when they're actively removing packages like Firefox and replacing with snaps, it's a garbage decision.
I rue the day when not only other major packages are replaced with snaps but even base system packages too. To the
point where snaps will be dependent upon and removing them won't be an option. At that point, I'm out!
And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)
I'm well aware of all the distros. I'll stick with Debian if/when Ubuntu jumps the shark.
Some of the appeal of Mint to me is that it takes what is good about basing on 'buntu and its Debian-derived 'ub' repo/s
and improving on the UI w/ its tweaked/forked DEs, particularly the Cinnamon fork, and eliminating 'buntu bad decisions
like default Snaps and adding some useful Mint apps and dev.
To me, the 'buntu derived flagship Mint Cinnamon is clearly better than flagship Ubuntu Gnome because of those
differences, and I find Neon's KDE a better 'buntu than Kubuntu.
Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie
LMDE, Debian in a Mint suit.
On 07/10/2022 13:10, Mike Easter wrote:
stepore wrote:
mechanic wrote:(I think) stepore should've left enough previous context such as:
Stupid things, such as?
---------------------
stepore wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian
or maybe not.
It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that make
me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods we have
choice.---------------------
Some are politics I don't agree with and don't like discussing politics publicly.
Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree with.
Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine decision technically and have no problem with them as optional, but when they're actively removing packages like Firefox and replacing with snaps, it's a garbage decision. I rue the day
when not only other major packages are replaced with snaps but even base system packages too. To the point where snaps will be dependent upon and removing them won't be an option. At that point, I'm out!
And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)
I'm well aware of all the distros. I'll stick with Debian if/when Ubuntu jumps the shark.
Some of the appeal of Mint to me is that it takes what is good about basing on 'buntu and its Debian-derived 'ub' repo/s and improving on the UI w/ its tweaked/forked DEs, particularly the Cinnamon fork, and eliminating 'buntu bad decisions like
default Snaps and adding some useful Mint apps and dev.
To me, the 'buntu derived flagship Mint Cinnamon is clearly better than flagship Ubuntu Gnome because of those differences, and I find Neon's KDE a better 'buntu than Kubuntu.
Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie LMDE, Debian in a Mint suit.
Personally, coming from a background of command-line oriented OSs (some RT11, RSTS, VMS) I tend to prefer the convenience of GNOME CLI, terminals that emulate VT<whatever>. (dons asbestos underwear...)
Also, is Mint systemd-free? (I'm not near a place where I can install to try, at the momont, and too lazy to go a long way 'round)
Also, is Mint systemd-free?
Henry Crun wrote:
Also, is Mint systemd-free?
No.
The systemd-free distro/s I've used are MX/Anti-X, PCLOS, EasyOS &
Puppy, and Peppermint (but I haven't its Devuan v).
I like that MX/Anti-X make it 'optional' at the boot.
Peppermint has evolved a lot; once LXDE over Ub, now xfce default over Deb.
And have you tried Linux Mint Debian?
They should make a Linux Mint Devuan.
Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
https://endeavouros.com
Tinkering w/ EOS.
It is a huge departure from a 'conventional' Mint/Ubuntu UI or even a 'similar' (XFCE over Arch) Manjaro xfce.
The endeavour 'people' (support, such as dev/s and supporters in E
forum) expect the user to 'get with' using the command line to do things which includes solving problems. It is NOT a beginner distro, as Jesse Smith's review says.
Take the business of there not being a graphical package manager and
follow that up with trying to install a graphical package manager.
In such as ubuntu, if you don't like the default software manager, which
I don't, it is simple to install such as synaptic from the software
manager or the command line.
Not so to 'simply' install pamac in E; you have yay & pacman by default,
but you aren't there at all. You need to get command educated first.
I would have to do a lot of 'studying' to use E, and the
command-line-only types in the community aren't very friendly to those
who aren't -- it seems to me.
Not so to 'simply' install pamac in E; you have yay & pacman by default,
but you aren't there at all. You need to get command educated first.
I would have to do a lot of 'studying' to use E,
It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that make
me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods we have
choice.---------------------
Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree with.
Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine decision
technically and have no problem with them as optional, but when they're
actively removing packages like Firefox and replacing with snaps, it's a
garbage decision. I rue the day when not only other major packages are
replaced with snaps but even base system packages too. To the point where
snaps will be dependent upon and removing them won't be an option. At that >> point, I'm out!
Some of the appeal of Mint to me is that it takes what is good about basing on 'buntu and its Debian-derived 'ub' repo/s and improving on the UI w/ its tweaked/forked DEs, particularly the Cinnamon fork, and eliminating 'buntu bad decisions like default Snaps and adding some useful Mint apps and dev.
To me, the 'buntu derived flagship Mint Cinnamon is clearly better than flagship Ubuntu Gnome because of those differences, and I find Neon's KDE a better 'buntu than Kubuntu.
Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie LMDE, Debian in a Mint suit.
Personally, coming from a background of command-line oriented OSs (some
RT11, RSTS, VMS) I tend to prefer the convenience of GNOME CLI, terminals that emulate VT<whatever>. (dons asbestos underwear...)
Also, is Mint systemd-free? (I'm not near a place where I can install to
try, at the momont, and too lazy to go a long way 'round)
Mike Easter wrote:
stepore said:
It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that
make me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods
we have choice.---------------------
No, it's not. Anytime someone says "of course", it's usually an
assumption based on personal prejudice, free of factual information.
Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree
with.
Lots. Most software stuff these days is ego-based, someone trying to
make a name for themselves be reinventing a wheel that didn't need
inventing in the first place.
Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine
decision technically and have no problem with them as optional,
but when they're actively removing packages like Firefox and
replacing with snaps, it's a garbage decision. I rue the day when
not only other major packages are replaced with snaps but even
base system packages too. To the point where snaps will be
dependent upon and removing them won't be an option. At that
point, I'm out!
I totally disagree tih jamming stuff like this down people's throats.
Isn't Linux supposed to be about freedom of choice?
Some of the appeal of Mint to me is that it takes what is good
about basing on 'buntu and its Debian-derived 'ub' repo/s and
improving on the UI w/ its tweaked/forked DEs, particularly the
Cinnamon fork, and eliminating 'buntu bad decisions like default
Snaps and adding some useful Mint apps and dev.
Besides, it's about 50% faster on the same hardware.
To me, the 'buntu derived flagship Mint Cinnamon is clearly better
than flagship Ubuntu Gnome because of those differences, and I
find Neon's KDE a better 'buntu than Kubuntu.
Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb
because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie LMDE, Debian
in a Mint suit.
I like LMDE. Better than I like Ubuntu.
stepore wrote:
mechanic wrote:
Stupid things, such as?
(I think) stepore should've left enough previous context such as:
---------------------
stepore wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian
or maybe not.
It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that make
me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods we have choice.---------------------
Some are politics I don't agree with and don't like discussing politics publicly.
Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree with.
Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine decision technically and have no problem with them as optional, but when they're actively removing packages like Firefox and replacing with snaps, it's a garbage decision. I rue the day when not only other major packages are replaced with snaps but even base system packages too. To the point
where snaps will be dependent upon and removing them won't be an option.
At that point, I'm out!
And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)
I'm well aware of all the distros. I'll stick with Debian if/when Ubuntu jumps the shark.
Some of the appeal of Mint to me is that it takes what is good about
basing on 'buntu and its Debian-derived 'ub' repo/s and improving on the
UI w/ its tweaked/forked DEs, particularly the Cinnamon fork, and
eliminating 'buntu bad decisions like default Snaps and adding some
useful Mint apps and dev.
To me, the 'buntu derived flagship Mint Cinnamon is clearly better than flagship Ubuntu Gnome because of those differences, and I find Neon's
KDE a better 'buntu than Kubuntu.
Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb
because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie LMDE, Debian in a
Mint suit.
--
Mike Easter
Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb===========================
because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie LMDE, Debian in a
Mint suit.
Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb===========================
because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie LMDE, Debian in a
Mint suit.
Yes , I happily run LMDE 4 on my laptop ,whereas I have LM Cinnamon on
a desktop PC. Both are pretty good .......for me no future moving away
from Linux Mint. I have abandoned Ubuntu 2 years ago
On an old 32 bit machine (Dell desktop) I run MX-Linux, also very
satisfying.
Frank in County Wicklow -Ireland
Notice that no-one seems to be running Endeavor (or even Endeavour)
which is the subject of this thread.
Personally, coming from a background of command-line oriented OSs
(some RT11, RSTS, VMS) I tend to prefer the convenience of GNOME CLI, terminals that emulate VT<whatever>. (dons asbestos underwear...)
Also, is Mint systemd-free? (I'm not near a place where I can install
to try, at the momont, and too lazy to go a long way 'round)
On Sun, 9 Oct 2022, space aliens made Henry Crun write:
Personally, coming from a background of command-line oriented OSs
(some RT11, RSTS, VMS) I tend to prefer the convenience of GNOME
CLI, terminals that emulate VT<whatever>. (dons asbestos
underwear...)
Also, is Mint systemd-free? (I'm not near a place where I can
install to try, at the momont, and too lazy to go a long way 'round)
Systemd is yet another "solution" in search of a problem, and someone
trying to create something as a monument to his ego, instead of
actually being useful, simple, and clean. We've strayed far away from
the beginnings of UNIX.
On Sun, 9 Oct 2022, space aliens made Henry Crun write:
Personally, coming from a background of command-line oriented OSs
(some RT11, RSTS, VMS) I tend to prefer the convenience of GNOME CLI,
terminals that emulate VT<whatever>. (dons asbestos underwear...)
Also, is Mint systemd-free? (I'm not near a place where I can install
to try, at the momont, and too lazy to go a long way 'round)
Systemd is yet another "solution" in search of a problem, and someone
trying to create something as a monument to his ego, instead of actually being useful, simple, and clean. We've strayed far away from the
beginnings of UNIX.
Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb===========================
because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie LMDE, Debian in a
Mint suit.
Yes , I happily run LMDE 4 on my laptop ,whereas I have LM Cinnamon on a desktop PC. Both are pretty good .......for me no future moving away from Linux Mint. I have abandoned Ubuntu 2 years ago
On an old 32 bit machine (Dell desktop) I run MX-Linux, also very
satisfying.
Notice that no-one seems to be running Endeavor (or even Endeavour)
which is the subject of this thread.
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