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    From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 17:39:22 2022
    I have one external USB hard drive I use as a backup of an internal hard
    drive in the PC. Although I have occasionally used Clonezilla to simply
    back up the files to the external HD, I thought it might go much quicker
    if I simply dragged and dropped from the PC drive to the external drive,
    but this isn't going as expected.

    What I've been trying to do is to simply select all folders on the
    internal drive and then copy and paste them onto the external hd.
    Because there are already folders present on the external hd from a
    prior back up, when I am presented with the pop up asking if I want to
    merge the files with the existing, I simply select no, apply to all
    files and skip. However, much to my surprise, some or all of the new
    files aren't being saved to the external drive.

    Correcting this would be welcome and thanks in advance.

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Thu Sep 8 20:08:49 2022
    On 9/8/22 14:39, wAYNE wrote:
    I have one external USB hard drive I use as a backup of an internal hard drive in the PC. Although I have occasionally used Clonezilla to simply
    back up the files to the external HD, I thought it might go much quicker
    if I simply dragged and dropped from the PC drive to the external drive,
    but this isn't going as expected.

    What I've been trying to do is to simply select all folders on the
    internal drive and then copy and paste them onto the external hd.
    Because there are already folders present on the external hd from a
    prior back up, when I am presented with the pop up asking if I want to
    merge the files with the existing, I simply select no, apply to all
    files and skip. However, much to my surprise, some or all of the new
    files aren't being saved to the external drive.

    Correcting this would be welcome and thanks in advance.


    Stop doing that. Use rsync or something similar that's actually made for
    this type of work.

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  • From David Catterall@21:1/5 to stepore on Fri Sep 9 10:54:12 2022
    On 09/09/2022 04:08, stepore wrote:

    Stop doing that. Use rsync or something similar that's actually made for
    this type of work.

    I stopped doing that when I found that it messed up modification dates
    and permissions. At the very least you need to use cp or rsync with the
    -a option.

    D.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Fri Sep 9 07:19:43 2022
    On 9/8/22 17:39, wAYNE wrote:
    I have one external USB hard drive I use as a backup of an internal hard drive in the PC.  Although I have occasionally used Clonezilla to simply back up the files to the external HD, I thought it might go much quicker if I simply dragged and dropped
    from the PC drive to the external drive, but this isn't going as expected.

    What I've been trying to do is to simply select all folders on the internal drive and then copy and paste them onto the external hd. Because there are already folders present on the external hd from a prior back up, when I am presented with the pop up
    asking if I want to merge the files with the existing, I simply select no, apply to all files and skip.  However, much to my surprise, some or all of the new files aren't being saved to the external drive.

    Correcting this would be welcome and thanks in advance.


    For small source partitions I prefer dd to everything/anything else. It gives me an image file I can mount and recover things from or recover the entire partition. I don't know if there's anything that rsync -ahcEWXd will not copy but do know that it
    could never be accused of being fast. My money says speed is not a consideration for a backup, I start it and go to bed. In the morning it's "...done". HTH

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Fri Sep 9 15:24:14 2022
    On 9/8/2022 5:39 PM, wAYNE wrote:
    I have one external USB hard drive I use as a backup of an internal hard drive in the PC.  Although I have occasionally used Clonezilla to simply back up the files to the external HD, I thought it might go much quicker if I simply dragged and dropped
    from the PC drive to the external drive, but this isn't going as expected.

    What I've been trying to do is to simply select all folders on the internal drive and then copy and paste them onto the external hd. Because there are already folders present on the external hd from a prior back up, when I am presented with the pop up
    asking if I want to merge the files with the existing, I simply select no, apply to all files and skip.  However, much to my surprise, some or all of the new files aren't being saved to the external drive.

    Correcting this would be welcome and thanks in advance.


    cd Downloads

    tar cvf /path/out/friday.tar aspen birch cedar # Put three folders in a custom "tape archive"
    # Preserves date, owner, perms

    cd /home/wayne

    tar cvf /path/out/friday-downloads.tar Downloads # much easier to type, if stuff is in a "tree"
    # Also easier to manage at Extraction time too.
    # If everything you want is in a single folder,
    # the archive might be a bit more complete.

    c for Create
    v is verbose (Progress...)
    f for filename-of-output

    It's bad manners, to toss a hundred loose files into a tar command,
    then give it to someone. As when they Extract, the crap sprays all
    over the place. It's kinda like a game of "52 pickup" if you do that.
    Making a good tar, everything should be in a single folder so only
    one "splot" appears in the destination during Extraction. That makes
    it easier for a recipient to unpack and handle. While some recipients
    use Archive Manager to unpack, others will use command line, and then
    the etiquette matters.

    Can be opened in Archive Manager. That's one of the points of this process.

    The single output file can be compressed later if you wish.
    It's better to make the tar first, verify in the verbose output
    that everything went well, then compress it.

    Does not save space, so 20GB of files is a 20GB tarfile.
    There is a slight overhead, proportional to number of files.

    And it's called a tape archive, because these used to be
    sent to a real tape drive.

    Paul

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to David Catterall on Sat Sep 10 04:56:49 2022
    On 2022-09-09, David Catterall <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 09/09/2022 04:08, stepore wrote:

    Stop doing that. Use rsync or something similar that's actually made for
    this type of work.

    I stopped doing that when I found that it messed up modification dates
    and permissions. At the very least you need to use cp or rsync with the
    -a option.

    D.

    Yes rsync has switches, so you can turn things on and off so you get what you want. Find the -a switch and turn it on, you might like it.

    (Also other programmes also have switches for much the same reason.)

    Grsync is a front end to rsync. (the -a switch is on the front panel)

    There are many backup programmes. Some of them use rsync to so the heavy lifting.

    I have found that borg backup with Vorta as the front end to be worthwhile.

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