• Microsoft selling open source code of GitHub

    From Sativa GNutella@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 16:25:49 2022
    Microsoft already bought GitHub and sells open source code for
    around $10 a month to automatically complete programmers
    code.

    Richard Stallman already worries how Microsoft earns money by
    selling open source code.

    Microsoft uses artificial intelligence to obfuscate the open
    source code to get to the money.

    It's legal since artificial intelligence is the liason.

    Stallman's response?

    There are many legal questions about Copilot whose answers I don't
    know, and maybe nobody knows. And it's likely some of theo depend
    on the country you're in [because of the copyright laws in those
    countries.] In the U.S. we won't be able to have reliable answers
    until there are court cases about it, and who knows how many
    years it'll take for those court cases to arise and be finally
    decided. So basically what we have is a gigantic amount of
    uncertainty.

    Now the next thing is, what about morally? What can I say morally
    about Copilot? Well the basic idea seems okay. Why shouldn't a
    program be able to give you hints like that?

    But there is one pitfall, which is that if you follow those hints,
    you might end up putting a substantial block of code copied from
    a GPL-covered program, written by someone else, or one hint after
    another after another after another ? it adds up to a substantial
    amount of code, perhaps, with very little change, perhaps. And
    then you've infringed the GPL by releasing that code, unless your
    program is covered by the same versions ? plural ? of the GPL, in
    which case it would be permitted. But you might not even know
    that. Copilot might not tell you ? it doesn't endeavor to inform
    you. So you're likely not to know. Which means Copilot is leading
    users ? some of its users ? into a pitfall. Well, they should fix
    it so it doesn't do that.

    But basically, what can you expect from GitHub? GitHub gives
    people inadequate advice about what it means to choose a license.
    They tell you you can choose GPL version 2 or GPL version 3. I
    think they don't tell you that really you could choose GPL
    version 2 only, or GPL version 2 or later, or GPL version 3 only,
    or GPL version 3 or later ? and those are four different choices.
    They give users different permissions over the future. So it's
    important to make each program say clearly which choice covers
    it. And GitHub doesn't tell you how to do that.

    It doesn't tell you that you need to do that. Because the way you
    do that is with a licensed notice that is supposed to be in every
    source file. It's unreliable to put just one statement in a free
    program and say "This program is covered by such-and-such
    license." What happens if somebody copies one of the files into
    some other program which says it's covered by a different
    license? Now that program has been inaccurately mis-licensed,
    which is illegal and is going to mislead users. So any
    self-respecting ? any repository that wants to be honest has to
    explain these things, not just tell people to make the licensing
    of each piece of code clear, but help users do so ? make it
    easy.

    So GitHub has had this enormous problem for all of its existence,
    and Copilot has the similar ? a basically, vaguely similar sort
    of problem, in the same area. It's not exactly the same problem.
    I don't think that copying a snippet of a few lines of code
    infringes any license. I think it's de minimus. But I'm not a
    lawyer.
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  • From Yrrah@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 17:39:24 2022
    Saliva Nutella <[email protected]> :

    Stallman's response?

    There are many legal questions about Copilot whose answers I don't
    (...)

    <https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/18/0432224/richard-stallman-shares-his-concerns-about-githubs-copilot----and-about-github>

    http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#2021


    Yrrah

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Sativa GNutella on Sun Aug 7 08:16:55 2022
    Sativa GNutella wrote:
    Stallman's response?

    In the paste, the feral ? marks are replacements for em dashes.

    And I found the discussion of Stallman's 'message' at /. to be more
    interesting than what RMS said because it brought 'balance' in terms of
    the technicalities of various opensource copyright/lefts -- which is a difficult subject.

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    Mike Easter

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  • From Sativa GNutella@21:1/5 to Yrrah on Sun Aug 7 23:02:15 2022
    Yrrah <[email protected]d> Wrote in message:r
    Saliva Nutella <[email protected]> : > Stallman's response?> > There are many legal questions about Copilot whose answers I don't> (...)<https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/18/0432224/richard-stallman-shares-his-concerns-about-githubs-copilot----
    and-about-github>http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#2021Yrrah

    Thanks that's where I found it. But I supposed many Microsoft
    people are continuously at such forums bashing open
    source.

    Microsoft is exceptional smart in F.U.D.

    Like using Jeffrey Epstein to get rid of Richard Stallman.

    I did see the YouTube videos of Richard bashing a lot too.

    Like Richard nose picking.

    Microsoft surely found a legal way to laundry open source to
    closed source since artificial intelligence has no
    rights.


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