FBI 62-109090 (courtesy of Mary Ferrell) reports that "Patterson did identify Oswald and also SAW HIM DISCARD HIS ZIPPER JACKET". If true, Patterson did not, for some reason, help police find the jacket, which was not reported discovered until about 10
minutes after the shooting. If he knew where it was, he could have found it in jig time, and at least pointed it out earlier. Another case of a witness being a little TOO helpful, like Sam Guinyard on Patterson. He testified he saw the suspect
knocking out bullets on Patton, but, if so, he didn't help police find them. Instead, they were "found" an hour or two later.

dcw

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:36:57 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

FBI 62-109090 (courtesy of Mary Ferrell) reports that "Patterson did identify Oswald and also SAW HIM DISCARD HIS ZIPPER JACKET". If true, Patterson did not, for some reason, help police find the jacket, which was not reported discovered until about 10

minutes after the shooting. If he knew where it was, he could have found it in jig time, and at least pointed it out earlier.

There you go again, parsing a witness’s words beyond reason. Maybe he didn’t think of it right away. Maybe he didn’t think it was that important. Maybe the cops thought catching the killer of Tippit was more important than capturing the killer’s
jacket.

Another case of a witness being a little TOO helpful, like Sam Guinyard on Patterson. He testified he saw the suspect knocking out bullets on Patton, but, if so, he didn't help police find them. Instead, they were "found" an hour or two later.

Sigh…

More parsing beyond reason.

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:03:41 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:36:57 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

FBI 62-109090 (courtesy of Mary Ferrell) reports that "Patterson did identify Oswald and also SAW HIM DISCARD HIS ZIPPER JACKET". If true, Patterson did not, for some reason, help police find the jacket, which was not reported discovered until about

10 minutes after the shooting. If he knew where it was, he could have found it in jig time, and at least pointed it out earlier.

There you go again, parsing a witness’s words beyond reason. Maybe he didn’t think of it right away. Maybe he didn’t think it was that important. Maybe the cops thought catching the killer of Tippit was more important than capturing the killer’

s jacket.

Patterson's "witnessing", in total (not just seeing the guy doff a jacket), was, like Reynolds', in his testimony, completely negated by the belated re-discovery of the WFAA-TV footage, years after all pertinent FBI statements and WC testimony.
Patterson was accompanying Reynolds up the street, and the film footage shows that he, Reynolds, was telling the cops that his suspect had entered an old house, NOT gone into a parking lot, as both witnesses had misleadingly stated in said statements &
testimony. Reynolds, Patterson, the Brocks--all hoist by their own petard...

Another case of a witness being a little TOO helpful, like Sam Guinyard on Patterson. He testified he saw the suspect knocking out bullets on Patton, but, if so, he didn't help police find them. Instead, they were "found" an hour or two later.

Sigh…

More parsing beyond reason.

Or is it, on your part, simply ignoring what the witness said? I was just reporting here, not "parsing". Check his testimony. LNs can't can't admit to the most obvious problems with their favorite witnesses. Take off the blinders, Hank!

dcw

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:36:57 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

FBI 62-109090 (courtesy of Mary Ferrell) reports that "Patterson did identify Oswald and also SAW HIM DISCARD HIS ZIPPER JACKET". If true, Patterson did not, for some reason, help police find the jacket, which was not reported discovered until about 10

minutes after the shooting. If he knew where it was, he could have found it in jig time, and at least pointed it out earlier.

He didn't help them find the jacket or point out its location because he never saw the jacket discarded.
An FBI report on his interview dated 1-22-64, makes no mention that he witnessed it.

It states:
"...the individual made a turn in a northerly direction, and proceeded behind Ballew's Texaco Service Station, where the individual discarded a jacket which
was later recovered by the Dallas Police Department." ( Patterson Exhibit A, 21 H 25 )
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0025a.htm

It never said that he SAW the jacket discarded.

Seven months later, the FBI added as a note to the bottom of the document you cite ( 62-109090, Sec. 18, pg. 109 ) that Patterson "SAW him discard his jacket."
That document is dated 8/24/64.

The FBI also said that Patterson was shown a picture of Oswald during that 1/22 interview and identified him as th man he saw. ( Patterson Exhibit A, 21 H 25 )

The next day, 8/25/64, the FBI re-interviewed Patterson. He said that he was never shown a picture of Oswald in that 1/22 interview and could not state that he "idenified Oswald at that time."
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0026a.htm

The following day, 8/26/64, the FBI re-interviewed Patterson. He was shown two pictures, Oswald's Dallas mugshot and one of the "backyard" photos of him with the rifle ( 21 H 28 )
and Lo and Behold, he identified Oswald as the man he saw. He signed an affidavit saying that he was not shown a picture of Oswald on 1-22 and asked that that paragraph be stricken from the public record.
( 15 H 745 )

Again, he makes no mention in either the 8/25 or 8/26 interviews of seeing the jacket discarded, a strange occurrance because even if he didn't mention it,
you'd think that the FBI would have asked him about it.

Patterson was never called to give testimony by the Warren Commission.

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 2:28:14 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:03:41 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:36:57 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:

FBI 62-109090 (courtesy of Mary Ferrell) reports that "Patterson did identify Oswald and also SAW HIM DISCARD HIS ZIPPER JACKET". If true, Patterson did not, for some reason, help police find the jacket, which was not reported discovered until

about 10 minutes after the shooting. If he knew where it was, he could have found it in jig time, and at least pointed it out earlier.

There you go again, parsing a witness’s words beyond reason. Maybe he didn’t think of it right away. Maybe he didn’t think it was that important. Maybe the cops thought catching the killer of Tippit was more important than capturing the killer�

�s jacket.

Patterson's "witnessing", in total (not just seeing the guy doff a jacket), was, like Reynolds', in his testimony, completely negated by the belated re-discovery of the WFAA-TV footage, years after all pertinent FBI statements and WC testimony.

Patterson was accompanying Reynolds up the street, and the film footage shows that he, Reynolds, was telling the cops that his suspect had entered an old house, NOT gone into a parking lot, as both witnesses had misleadingly stated in said statements &
testimony. Reynolds, Patterson, the Brocks--all hoist by their own petard...

Another case of a witness being a little TOO helpful, like Sam Guinyard on Patterson. He testified he saw the suspect knocking out bullets on Patton, but, if so, he didn't help police find them. Instead, they were "found" an hour or two later.

Sigh…

More parsing beyond reason.

Or is it, on your part, simply ignoring what the witness said? I was just reporting here, not "parsing".

No, this is parsing: “… Reynolds, Patterson, the Brocks--all hoist by their own petard...…”

Check his testimony. LNs can't can't admit to the most obvious problems with their favorite witnesses. Take off the blinders, Hank!

You should. Witnesses are not reliable. I don’t have favorite witnesses — I admit the unreliability of all witnesses. Not because they are all lying their asses off to frame Oswald, but because all witnesses are human. Gil above points out some
further issues with this witness, which like all witnesses, sometimes don’t remember stuff, so they forget saying it, or they forget to mention it in a follow-up interview, or whatever.

dcw

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On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 11:03:39 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<[email protected]> wrote:

There you go again...

Running like the proven coward you are:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?

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On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 12:22:30 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<[email protected]> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?

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