• Re: NO EVIDENCE !!!!

    From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 10 08:58:38 2023
    On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 08:45:43 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 7:08:15?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier both saw Oswald with the 38 inch package that
    morning.

    Citation where they said it was 38 inches long ?

    They didn't. Corbutt's doing what Corbutt does best - lie.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 10 08:59:23 2023
    On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 08:48:18 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 7:08:15?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier both saw Oswald with the 38 inch package that morning.

    You are such a fucking liar and I'll prove it.

    Cite where either one of those witnesses said that they saw Oswald with a 38 inch package.

    Evidence isn't what Corbutt is asserting... he's asserting speculation
    based on his faith.

    Evidence not needed.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 10 09:03:28 2023
    On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 08:53:35 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:48:21?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 7:08:15?PM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier both saw Oswald with the 38 inch package that morning.
    You are such a fucking liar and I'll prove it.

    Cite where either one of those witnesses said that they saw Oswald with a 38 inch package.

    They both saw Oswald with a long, brown paper package. That package was found in the
    TSBD and MEASURED at 38 inches.


    I know you don't know this, so I'll explain it to you - this is the
    logical fallacy of the begged question.

    You are PRESUMING that the two bags were the same bag.


    That trumps the estimate of the length of the package
    made from memory, especially since one of them remembered the package almost touching
    the ground.


    Nope. Speculation and logical fallacies never trump actual evidence.

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 10 09:39:26 2023
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:46 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 07:43:14 -0700 (PDT), Bud <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    Another thing to consider is that LMR said she saw Oswald carrying "a long brown package"...

    https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337089/m1/1/?q=randle

    I don`t think I would ever describe a two foot package as "long".
    Notice folks, that Chickenshit is passing off his speculation in place
    of the ACTUAL TESTIMONY.

    I`m applying reasoning and my life experience to the information, stupid.

    Would you describe a two foot package as "long"?

    Chickenshit is terrified of what Linnie Mae Randle actually STATED,

    I`m fine with what she said. I just opt to look at it correctly rather than play silly games with it.

    and replaces what she said with what Chickenshit "thinks."

    Chickenshit is clearly a coward.

    And a liar.

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 10 09:43:11 2023
    On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT), Gil Jesus
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:53:37?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    They both saw Oswald with a long, brown paper package. That package was found in the
    TSBD and MEASURED at 38 inches. That trumps the estimate of the length of the package
    made from memory, especially since one of them remembered the package almost touching
    the ground.

    Bullshit. A "long, brown paper package" doesn't trump an actual measurement of the package they saw.
    How did the witnesses' determine what was "long" and what was short ?

    Did Frazier identify the package in evidence as the package he saw ? >https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/frazier_no_id_bag.jpg

    Here he is on video saying "there was no gun" in the package. >https://youtu.be/4olEc4xdVB4

    Did Randle identify CE 142 as the package she saw ?

    No. She folded the bag DOWN to the size she estimated it to be and when they measured it, it was 28 1/2 inches. ( 2 H 249-250 )

    Neither witness identified the 38 inch "gunsack" CE 142 as the package they saw on the morning of November 22nd.

    And THAT trumps any decription of it being "long".

    In other words - evidence trumps speculation.

    As it does.

    EVERY

    SINGLE

    TIME!!

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  • From Gil Jesus@21:1/5 to John Corbett on Mon Jul 10 09:24:05 2023
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    They both saw Oswald with a long, brown paper package. That package was found in the
    TSBD and MEASURED at 38 inches. That trumps the estimate of the length of the package
    made from memory, especially since one of them remembered the package almost touching
    the ground.

    Bullshit. A "long, brown paper package" doesn't trump an actual measurement of the package they saw.
    How did the witnesses' determine what was "long" and what was short ?

    Did Frazier identify the package in evidence as the package he saw ? https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/frazier_no_id_bag.jpg

    Here he is on video saying "there was no gun" in the package. https://youtu.be/4olEc4xdVB4

    Did Randle identify CE 142 as the package she saw ?

    No. She folded the bag DOWN to the size she estimated it to be and when they measured it, it was 28 1/2 inches. ( 2 H 249-250 )

    Neither witness identified the 38 inch "gunsack" CE 142 as the package they saw on the morning of November 22nd.

    And THAT trumps any decription of it being "long".

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  • From Bud@21:1/5 to Ben Holmes on Mon Jul 10 09:44:41 2023
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:17 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 15:25:46 -0700 (PDT), Bud <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 3:42:05?PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 10:43:17?AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:58:13?AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:23:23?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    My latest appearance on the Lone Gunman Podcast:

    Episode # 241:
    I discuss items in the case for which there is NO EVIDENCE.

    https://www.spreaker.com/user/thelonegunman/ep-241-no-evidence-w-gil-jesus
    Gil starts off by saying there was no evidence Oswald brought a 38 inch bag into the TSBD
    even though a 38 inch bag found in the TSBD with Oswald's finger and palm prints. We have
    a real sleuth in our midst.
    Name the person who saw Oswald with a THIRTY-EIGHT inch package on November 22nd.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    The Cowardly Lion is back and running already.

    Ben has never met an idea he wasn`t willing to run from.

    Clearly, Chickenshit can't give the only answer.

    I did. You removed it because you are a pussy.

    He claims the witnesses who saw him with the package said it was
    shorter but one of these same witnesses said when Oswald held it just below the top of it, the
    bag almost touched the ground. Try that with a two foot long package. >> I tried it. 28 1/2 inches from the top of the bag to the floor.

    If your arm is straight down, and this gives you little to hold.
    Chickenshit agrees with Gil...

    Did Gil say what I said? Or are you lying?

    Then Gil says there is no evidence Oswald made the bag. Did he expect Oswald would have
    taken a selfie of himself making the bag. Yet he accuses the DPD of making the bag without
    a scrap of evidence they did so. He says Oswald couldn't have made the bag without leaving
    more fingerprints on the bag but he thinks the cops could have constructed the bag without
    leaving fingerprints on it. Gil is the Inspector Clouseau of the JFK assassination.
    Great comeback. Who said the cops didn't leave fingerprints on it ?
    Another thing to consider is that LMR said she saw Oswald carrying "a long brown package"...

    https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337089/m1/1/?q=randle
    She also estimated that "long brown package" as being 27-28 1/2 inches long. ( CD 7, pg. 299, 2 H 250 )
    I don`t think I would ever describe a two foot package as "long".
    It all depends what you're talking about.
    Logical fallacy deleted.

    Ben never met an idea he wasn`t willing to flee from.

    He has to remove the ideas other people express because he can`t discuss ideas to save his life.

    Some people think 1o inches is long, but that something you wouldn't know about.
    In fact, if you had a half-inch less, you'd have two belly buttons.
    Gil claims the paperwork showing Klein's shipping the rifle to Oswald's PO Box was made up.
    What evidence does Gil present that this was done? Absolutely nothing. He thinks the rifle
    was ordered by the conspirators (unnamed of course) in August or September.
    https://gil-jesus.com/the-rifle/
    Gil says there is no evidence Oswald picked up the rifle. Just what evidence would he expect. He wonder why nobody at the Dallas Post Office would remember giving Oswald the most
    famous rifle in the world. Why would they think it was the most famous rifle in the world when
    the handed it to him? Why would they even know it was a rifle? Why would he think a PO
    employee would remember handing a package to Oswald back in March?
    You're right, they probably thought it was a fishing pole.
    All these asinine observations were made in about the first five minutes. If somebody has 90
    minutes of their lives to spend listening to all of Gil's drivel, have at it.

    What a tool!!!
    What a fool !!! All you have to post is your worthless opinions and speculations.

    It was the opinion ...


    Chickenshit agrees again with Gil.

    Then why did you remove it? Because you are lying, that`s why.

    Post evidence or STFU.


    Clearly, Chickenshit can't do either.

    The evidence is available online.

    If I post some does that mean I win? Idiots seem to think so.

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  • From David Healy@21:1/5 to Bud on Mon Jul 10 14:10:48 2023
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:39:28 AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:46 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 07:43:14 -0700 (PDT), Bud <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    Another thing to consider is that LMR said she saw Oswald carrying "a long brown package"...

    https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337089/m1/1/?q=randle

    I don`t think I would ever describe a two foot package as "long".
    Notice folks, that Chickenshit is passing off his speculation in place
    of the ACTUAL TESTIMONY.
    I`m applying reasoning and my life experience to the information, stupid.

    Would you describe a two foot package as "long"?
    Chickenshit is terrified of what Linnie Mae Randle actually STATED,
    I`m fine with what she said. I just opt to look at it correctly rather than play silly games with it.
    and replaces what she said with what Chickenshit "thinks."

    Chickenshit is clearly a coward.

    And a liar.

    Corbutt is really fucking this up for you Bud. You have some evidence mending to get done here... lmfao

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  • From Ben Holmes@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 10 14:28:55 2023
    On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 14:10:48 -0700 (PDT), David Healy <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:39:28?AM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:40:46?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 07:43:14 -0700 (PDT), Bud <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    Another thing to consider is that LMR said she saw Oswald carrying "a long brown package"...

    https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337089/m1/1/?q=randle

    I don`t think I would ever describe a two foot package as "long".
    Notice folks, that Chickenshit is passing off his speculation in place
    of the ACTUAL TESTIMONY.
    I`m applying reasoning and my life experience to the information, stupid.

    Would you describe a two foot package as "long"?
    Chickenshit is terrified of what Linnie Mae Randle actually STATED,
    I`m fine with what she said. I just opt to look at it correctly rather than play silly games with it.
    and replaces what she said with what Chickenshit "thinks."

    Chickenshit is clearly a coward.

    And a liar.

    Corbutt is really fucking this up for you Bud. You have some evidence mending to get done here... lmfao


    Maybe this explains Huckster's frequent absences... it's not that he's terrified of facing knowledgeable critics... he's just embarrassed at
    the level of incompetence of his fellow believers...

    (Or maybe both...)

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  • From Brian Doyle@21:1/5 to Gil Jesus on Wed Jul 12 08:56:35 2023
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:24:07 PM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:



    Like Gil does with just about every thread - he ran from Armstrong's "Nay-Sayers" sub-chapter where Armstrong showed it would have been impossible to fake Oswald ride in Whaley's taxi...


    There just wasn't enough time to concoct so complex a conspiracy in the short time following the assassination...

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