• =?UTF-8?Q?Huge_COVID_protests_erupt_in_China=e2=80=99s_Xinjiang_aft?= =

    From Hisler@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 26 10:30:42 2022
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    https://nypost.com/2022/11/26/covid-protests-erupt-in-chinas-xinjiang-after-deadly-fire/

    Rare protests broke out in China’s far western Xinjiang region, with
    crowds shouting at hazmat-suited guards after a deadly fire triggered
    anger over their prolonged COVID-19 lockdown as nationwide infections
    set another record.

    Crowds chanted “End the lockdown!”, pumping their fists in the air as
    they walked down a street, according to videos circulated on Chinese
    social media on Friday night. Reuters verified the footage was published
    from the Xinjiang capital Urumqi.

    Videos showed people in a plaza singing China’s national anthem with its lyric, “Rise up, those who refuse to be slaves!” while others shouted
    that they wanted to be released from lockdowns.

    China has put the vast Xinjiang region under some of the country’s
    longest lockdowns, with many of Urumqi’s 4 million residents barred from leaving their homes for as long as 100 days. The city reported about 100
    new cases each of the past two days.

    Xinjiang is home to 10 million Uyghurs. Rights groups and Western
    governments have long accused Beijing of abuses against the mainly
    Muslim ethnic minority, including forced labor in internment camps.
    China strongly rejects such claims.

    The Urumqi protests followed a fire in a high-rise building there that
    killed 10 on Thursday night.

    Authorities have said the building’s residents had been able to go downstairs, but videos of emergency crews’ efforts, shared on Chinese
    social media, led many internet users to surmise that residents could
    not escape in time because the building was partially locked down.

    Urumqi officials abruptly held a news conference in the early hours of Saturday, denying that COVID measures had hampered escape and rescue but
    saying they would investigate further. One said residents could have
    escaped faster if they had better understood fire safety.

    ‘BLAME THE VICTIM’
    Dali Yang, a political scientist at the University of Chicago, said such
    a “blame-the-victim” attitude would make people angrier. “Public trust will just sink lower,” he told Reuters.

    Users on China’s Weibo platform described the incident as a tragedy that sprang out of China’s insistence on sticking to its zero-COVID policy
    and something that could happen to anyone. Some lamented its
    similarities to the deadly September crash of a COVID quarantine bus.

    “Is there not something we can reflect on to make some changes,” said an essay that went viral on WeChat on Friday, questioning the official
    narrative on the Urumqi apartment fire.

    China defends President Xi Jinping’s signature zero-COVID policy as life-saving and necessary to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system. Officials have vowed to continue with it despite the growing public
    pushback and its mounting toll on the world’s second-biggest economy.

    While the country recently tweaked its measures, shortening quarantines
    and taking other targeted steps, this coupled with rising cases has
    caused widespread confusion and uncertainty in big cities, including
    Beijing, where many residents are locked down at home.

    China recorded 34,909 daily local cases, low by global standards but the
    third record in a row, with infections spreading numerous cities,
    prompting widespread lockdowns and other curbs on movement and business.

    Shanghai, China’s most populous city and financial hub, tightened
    testing requirements on Saturday for entering cultural venues such as
    museums and libraries, requiring people to present a negative COVID test
    taken within 48 hours, down from 72 hours earlier.

    Beijing’s Chaoyang Park, popular with runners and picnickers, shut again after having briefly reopened.
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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 07:16:47 2022
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    Hisler, <news:tltig2$1dvsj$[email protected]>

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/26/covid-protests-erupt-in-chinas-xinjiang-after-deadly-fire/

    Videos showed people in a plaza singing China's national anthem with its lyric, "Rise up, those who refuse to be slaves!" while others shouted that they wanted to be released from lockdowns.

    China has put the vast Xinjiang region under some of the country's longest lockdowns, with many of Urumqi's 4 million residents barred from leaving their homes for as long as 100 days. The city reported about 100 new cases each of the past two days.

    Xinjiang is home to 10 million Uyghurs. Rights groups and Western
    governments have long accused Beijing of abuses against the mainly Muslim ethnic minority, including forced labor in internment camps. China strongly rejects such claims.

    The Urumqi protests followed a fire in a high-rise building there that
    killed 10 on Thursday night.

    Authorities have said the building's residents had been able to go downstairs, but videos of emergency crews' efforts, shared on Chinese social media, led many internet users to surmise that residents could not escape in time because the building was partially locked down.

    Putting aside the question of cause and effect in this case, there is
    another question. The Atlanticist propaganda for a long time promoted
    the Xinjiang Genocide narrative, but given the locals started
    protesting because of this fire incident, the idea that there was a
    genocide going on, and the locals were silent while putting up with
    it, seems obviously unrealistic. And the American mainstream fakenews
    outlets are unlikely to somehow acknowledge this inconsistency.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 16:07:15 2022
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    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 07:16:47 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Putting aside the question of cause and effect in this case, there is
    another question. The Atlanticist propaganda for a long time promoted
    the Xinjiang Genocide narrative,

    The west doesn't fully accept the "Uyghur" abuses as genocide. Some governments consider that program genocide, others an ethnic
    concentration or ethnocide.

    but given the locals started
    protesting because of this fire incident, the idea that there was a
    genocide going on, and the locals were silent while putting up with
    it, seems obviously unrealistic.

    As far as local complicity goes, I'm sure there is. Certainly local
    Germans were complicit when the Nazis began sending Jews to the camps.
    So, locals in Xinjiang are complicit when Beijing sends Muslims to the
    camps. And of course this "genocide", being targeted at Muslims, will
    get less sympathy from the West than it might.

    And the American mainstream fakenews
    outlets are unlikely to somehow acknowledge this inconsistency.

    I see no inconsistency.

    Swill
    --
    Don't take the bait.

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  • From Nic@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Nov 27 17:16:28 2022
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    On 11/27/22 4:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 07:16:47 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Putting aside the question of cause and effect in this case, there is
    another question. The Atlanticist propaganda for a long time promoted
    the Xinjiang Genocide narrative,
    The west doesn't fully accept the "Uyghur" abuses as genocide. Some governments consider that program genocide, others an ethnic
    concentration or ethnocide.

    but given the locals started
    protesting because of this fire incident, the idea that there was a
    genocide going on, and the locals were silent while putting up with
    it, seems obviously unrealistic.
    As far as local complicity goes, I'm sure there is. Certainly local
    Germans were complicit when the Nazis began sending Jews to the camps.
    So, locals in Xinjiang are complicit when Beijing sends Muslims to the
    camps. And of course this "genocide", being targeted at Muslims, will
    get less sympathy from the West than it might.

    And the American mainstream fakenews
    outlets are unlikely to somehow acknowledge this inconsistency.
    I see no inconsistency.

    Swill

    Try to think of this as a test case, first the Muslims, then the Jews ,
    then the Christians to the camps, all followers of the Abrahamic beliefs.

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 03:29:05 2022
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    <[email protected]>, <news:[email protected]>
    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 07:16:47 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <[email protected]>

    Putting aside the question of cause and effect in this case, there is
    another question. The Atlanticist propaganda for a long time promoted
    the Xinjiang Genocide narrative,

    The west doesn't fully accept the "Uyghur" abuses as genocide. Some governments consider that program genocide, others an ethnic
    concentration or ethnocide.

    It's American official: "The U.S. State Department labeled
    China's actions in Xinjiang as genocide"
    <https://archive.is/5Be9a>

    but given the locals started
    protesting because of this fire incident, the idea that there was a
    genocide going on, and the locals were silent while putting up with
    it, seems obviously unrealistic.

    As far as local complicity goes, I'm sure there is. Certainly local
    Germans were complicit when the Nazis began sending Jews to the camps.
    So, locals in Xinjiang are complicit when Beijing sends Muslims to the
    camps. And of course this "genocide", being targeted at Muslims, will
    get less sympathy from the West than it might.

    Those fire's 10 victims are all Uyghurs.

    And the American mainstream fakenews
    outlets are unlikely to somehow acknowledge this inconsistency.

    I see no inconsistency.

    You are known as a stupid twat.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to Nic on Sun Nov 27 20:59:30 2022
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    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 17:16:28 -0500, Nic <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 11/27/22 4:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 07:16:47 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Putting aside the question of cause and effect in this case, there is
    another question. The Atlanticist propaganda for a long time promoted
    the Xinjiang Genocide narrative,
    The west doesn't fully accept the "Uyghur" abuses as genocide. Some
    governments consider that program genocide, others an ethnic
    concentration or ethnocide.

    but given the locals started
    protesting because of this fire incident, the idea that there was a
    genocide going on, and the locals were silent while putting up with
    it, seems obviously unrealistic.
    As far as local complicity goes, I'm sure there is. Certainly local
    Germans were complicit when the Nazis began sending Jews to the camps.
    So, locals in Xinjiang are complicit when Beijing sends Muslims to the
    camps. And of course this "genocide", being targeted at Muslims, will
    get less sympathy from the West than it might.

    And the American mainstream fakenews
    outlets are unlikely to somehow acknowledge this inconsistency.
    I see no inconsistency.

    Swill

    Try to think of this as a test case, first the Muslims, then the Jews ,
    then the Christians to the camps, all followers of the Abrahamic beliefs.

    They can leave.

    Swill
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    Don't take the bait.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 01:22:10 2022
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    On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:29:05 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    How did it feel to be trolled?

    Swill
    --
    "Reality is an acquired taste." - Matthew Perry

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Nov 28 08:58:54 2022
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    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:59:30 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 17:16:28 -0500, Nic <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 11/27/22 4:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 07:16:47 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Putting aside the question of cause and effect in this case, there is
    another question. The Atlanticist propaganda for a long time promoted
    the Xinjiang Genocide narrative,
    The west doesn't fully accept the "Uyghur" abuses as genocide. Some
    governments consider that program genocide, others an ethnic
    concentration or ethnocide.

    but given the locals started
    protesting because of this fire incident, the idea that there was a
    genocide going on, and the locals were silent while putting up with
    it, seems obviously unrealistic.
    As far as local complicity goes, I'm sure there is. Certainly local
    Germans were complicit when the Nazis began sending Jews to the camps.
    So, locals in Xinjiang are complicit when Beijing sends Muslims to the
    camps. And of course this "genocide", being targeted at Muslims, will
    get less sympathy from the West than it might.

    And the American mainstream fakenews
    outlets are unlikely to somehow acknowledge this inconsistency.
    I see no inconsistency.

    Swill

    Try to think of this as a test case, first the Muslims, then the Jews , >>then the Christians to the camps, all followers of the Abrahamic beliefs.

    They can leave.

    Wow. You're sounding as if you would support such regimes.

    Swill

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