• Ukrainian official slams Bayraktar drones in prank call

    From Hisler@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 18 10:04:57 2022
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    The Ukrainian official states matter of factly that the attack on the
    Crimean bridge had to be authorized by Washington, making the war in
    Ukraine now a direct war between the U.S. and Russia.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/564899-ukraine-bayraktar-vovan-lexus/

    The Turkish-made UAVs are more about PR and corruption than combat effectiveness, Sergey Pashinsky “privately” admits
    Ukrainian official slams Bayraktar drones in prank call
    Bayraktar TB2 military drone. © Muhammed Enes Yildirim/Anadolu Agency
    via Getty Images
    Turkish-made Bayraktar drones have no combat effectiveness due to their
    extreme vulnerability to air defense systems, Ukrainian official Sergey Pashinsky said in a mock interview with Russian pranksters Vovan and Lexus.

    Pashinsky thought he was speaking to former US ambassador to Russia
    Michael McFaul. During the call he apparently admitted that “there is
    more PR and corruption in Bayraktar than combat use,” according to a
    video published by the duo on their Telegram channel which appears to
    have been recorded sometime earlier this month.

    The politician, who heads the Association of Defense Enterprises of
    Ukraine, went on to say that the Turkish drones, which Western and
    Ukrainian media have hailed as a game changer on the battlefield in the
    ongoing military conflict between Russia and Ukraine, are “first and
    foremost a PR project.”

    “I was personally against it, because they are extremely vulnerable to
    air defense systems,” Pashinsky said, adding that Ukraine had a lot of Bayraktars before fighting broke out and that “they were all shot down
    within a week.”

    He further explained that the drone is “not a self-sufficient weapon” it cannot work by itself as it “gets shot down by air defense systems in a
    flash and has no combat effectiveness at all.”

    Ukraine issues update on proposed Turkish drone plant
    Read more Ukraine issues update on proposed Turkish drone plant
    The official noted, however, that they can be used in tandem with
    anti-radar missiles which have been supplied to Kiev by the US and that
    “if not for the HIMARS and HARM systems, there would be no more
    Bayraktars in Ukraine.”

    Ukraine previously announced it intends to carry on with its plan to
    open a Bayraktar manufacturing facility in collaboration with the
    Ankara-based producer Baykar. That’s after Türkiye gave several drones
    to Kiev earlier this year.

    In another excerpt from Pashinsky’s interview with Vovan and Lexus
    published last week, but apparently recorded before October 8, the
    official also admitted that Kiev coordinates its military operations
    with Washington and stated that “as soon as you tell me that the US
    approves the destruction of the Crimean Bridge, things can move
    forward,” adding that “I only need a verbal confirmation.”
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  • From Hisler@21:1/5 to Hisler on Tue Oct 18 11:50:05 2022
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    On 10/18/2022 10:04 AM, Hisler wrote:
    The Ukrainian official states matter of factly that the attack on the
    Crimean bridge had to be authorized by Washington, making the war in
    Ukraine now a direct war between the U.S. and Russia.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/564899-ukraine-bayraktar-vovan-lexus/

    The Turkish-made UAVs are more about PR and corruption than combat effectiveness, Sergey Pashinsky “privately” admits
    Ukrainian official slams Bayraktar drones in prank call
    Bayraktar TB2 military drone. ©  Muhammed Enes Yildirim/Anadolu Agency
    via Getty Images
    Turkish-made Bayraktar drones have no combat effectiveness due to their extreme vulnerability to air defense systems, Ukrainian official Sergey Pashinsky said in a mock interview with Russian pranksters Vovan and Lexus.

    Pashinsky thought he was speaking to former US ambassador to Russia
    Michael McFaul. During the call he apparently admitted that “there is
    more PR and corruption in Bayraktar than combat use,” according to a
    video published by the duo on their Telegram channel which appears to
    have been recorded sometime earlier this month.

    The politician, who heads the Association of Defense Enterprises of
    Ukraine, went on to say that the Turkish drones, which Western and
    Ukrainian media have hailed as a game changer on the battlefield in the ongoing military conflict between Russia and Ukraine, are “first and foremost a PR project.”

    “I was personally against it, because they are extremely vulnerable to
    air defense systems,” Pashinsky said, adding that Ukraine had a lot of Bayraktars before fighting broke out and that “they were all shot down within a week.”

    He further explained that the drone is “not a self-sufficient weapon” it cannot work by itself as it “gets shot down by air defense systems in a flash and has no combat effectiveness at all.”

    Ukraine issues update on proposed Turkish drone plant
    Read more Ukraine issues update on proposed Turkish drone plant
    The official noted, however, that they can be used in tandem with
    anti-radar missiles which have been supplied to Kiev by the US and that
    “if not for the HIMARS and HARM systems, there would be no more
    Bayraktars in Ukraine.”

    Ukraine previously announced it intends to carry on with its plan to
    open a Bayraktar manufacturing facility in collaboration with the Ankara-based producer Baykar. That’s after Türkiye gave several drones
    to Kiev earlier this year.

    In another excerpt from Pashinsky’s interview with Vovan and Lexus published last week, but apparently recorded before October 8, the
    official also admitted that Kiev coordinates its military operations
    with Washington and stated that “as soon as you tell me that the US approves the destruction of the Crimean Bridge, things can move
    forward,” adding that “I only need a verbal confirmation.”

    Interesting comments following the above article:

    Barry24
    "... All shot down within a week"? Hmmm... That sounds like a testimony
    that the militia of the LPR a DPR were not being militarily equipped
    adequately before the SMO. Ukraine for seven years rejected a genuine opportunity for peaceful settlement for the conflict. How foolish.
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    Paul Haeder
    Old propaganda ZioLensky Regime is still looking for another way to spin
    their perversions and failures.
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    Milly and Frank
    NATO provoked Russia intentionally. Vicky Nulland handed out cookies in
    2014 and worked with Senator John McCain to topple Ukraine and install a
    series of USA picked puppets. I have heard the telephone tapes. Life is
    too short to cover up for those people. Is she paying you? That Maidan
    Massacre and the conversation beforehand are also on tape as they
    discussed how many must be killed to get the USA on board. The topple
    was shoe number one. NATO war games in Ukraine was shoe number two. Now
    we are advancing on a conventional war footing to nuclear war because of
    an unelected woman in the deep state. She should be in prison for
    plotting the fall of our country into nuclear war. We lost Belarus to
    Russia because of her and her topple plan that was launched out of the
    USA embassy in Greece. Stop covering for them. You are better than that.
    You would not be writing back to me but that you know the truth and are
    peaked. When NATO does its nuclear tests during this crisis time with
    Russia, we will see
    the height of NATO imbecility and hubris.

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    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
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    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 18 21:37:22 2022
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    On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:04:57 -0600, Hisler <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    The Ukrainian official states matter of factly that the attack on the
    Crimean bridge had to be authorized by Washington, making the war in
    Ukraine now a direct war between the U.S. and Russia.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/564899-ukraine-bayraktar-vovan-lexus/

    Nobody is going to believe your lies. Especially if you cite RT as
    the source. We already know five of the eight arrested were Russian
    nationals and only one was Ukrainian. The other two were local
    Crimeans.

    Swill
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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 18 21:38:42 2022
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    On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 11:50:05 -0600, Hisler <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Oh. You're a troll. How silly of me not to recognize you.

    Swill
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