• Re: Recipe - whats on the plate this weekend? TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!

    From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Oct 5 14:57:10 2024
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    On 10/5/2024 1:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
    called elections

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform

    To make clear our commitment, we offer to the American people the 2024
    GOP Platform to Make America Great Again! It is a forward-looking Agenda
    that begins with the following twenty promises that we will accomplish
    very quickly when we win the White House and Republican Majorities in
    the House and Senate.

    SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
    CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
    END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
    MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
    STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
    DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL
    FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE
    RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
    PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST,
    AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE
    COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
    END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
    STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS,
    CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
    REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN,
    AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
    STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
    KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
    FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS,
    INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
    CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME
    REGULATIONS
    CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL
    GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL
    CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
    KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
    DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND
    PATRIOTIC AGAIN
    SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION,
    PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
    UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
    *****

    When America is united, confident, and committed to our principles, it
    will never fail.

    Today and together, with Love for our Country, Faith in our People, and
    Trust in God's Good Grace, we will Make America Great Again!

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 5 16:31:19 2024
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVzBmlikXGM

    Fox News host Laura Ingraham unpacks the devastation following Hurricane
    Helene on 'The Ingraham Angle.'

    1 reply

    @deborahallen5249
    18 hours ago
    Absolutely makes me sick! Billions going to other countries, yet no
    help for our American families! Get rid of Harris and Biden!
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    2 replies

    @wendysargent3855
    21 hours ago
    I’m tired of Mayorkas lying. The people of this country deserve better
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    30 replies

    @MRebeca
    15 hours ago
    I am truly heartbroken for everyone affected by the hurricane. It's
    beyond words.
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    2 replies

    @onetinsoldier9615
    22 hours ago
    Tell Brandon illegal immigrants are trapped in the rubbish. He'll have
    seal team 6 there within the hour.
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    56 replies

    @VeronicaThomas-d3w
    22 hours ago
    They all need to be impeached
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    @theresamartin3629
    22 hours ago
    We can't survive another 4 years of this. Please Lord help us all
    please 🙏🏻


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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 06:00:36 2024
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    On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 14:57:10 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 10/5/2024 1:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
    called elections

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform

    To make clear our commitment, we offer to the American people the 2024
    GOP Platform to Make America Great Again! It is a forward-looking Agenda
    that begins with the following twenty promises that we will accomplish
    very quickly when we win the White House and Republican Majorities in
    the House and Senate.

    SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION

    Do you mean illegal immigration, or all immigration? This is an
    important distinction.

    CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

    So, you want to return to the policies of the Obama
    administration? As of the time I write this, his was the admin with
    the largest number of deportations.

    END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN

    Inflation isn't going to ever end. A temporary drop, or
    deflation, can happen, but the market will rise again.

    MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!

    The United States is already the dominant energy producer in the
    world. By far.

    STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER

    This is a good one.

    LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!

    I'd like to see an end to taxes on compensation from employment.
    I don't expect it to happen as far too much is funded from it, Social
    Security, for one example, but I would like it.
    But if it does, a new federal tax on something else will come
    into being to cover the costs, so it will end up a wash.

    DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL
    FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE
    RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

    How are these being infringed?
    Freedom of speech means the government cannot arrest you for
    saying that thing. It doesn't mean you are free from the consequences
    of saying that thing.
    Unless the religion is somehow infringing on someone else's
    rights, you are free to worship as you wish.
    With a few exceptions, all adult citizens have the right to bear
    arms.

    PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST,

    Europe is mostly peaceful. There are some "hot spots" of course.
    Ukraine instantly leaps to mind.
    The Middle East hasn't seen peace in so long, it's unlikely we
    can do anything to change it.
    Would the G.O.P.like to see the U.S. send troops to every
    conflict in the world, forcing peace at the end of a gun? If so, how
    do you think that would truly end?

    AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE
    COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA

    That is just STUPID.

    END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

    Agreed.

    STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS,

    Sadly, if the country or origin won't share any details about any
    crimes committed by immigrants, there isn't much to be done.
    Many have been trying to demolish drug cartels, foreign and
    domestic, for a long time. They've been crippled for a bit. But that's
    all.
    It appears you're claiming immigrants are smuggling all the
    drugs. Some are being brought in with immigrants, legal and non, of
    course. But most actually come in with standard, valid cargo
    shipments. Even if all immigration were stopped, drugs would get
    smuggled in. Then there are those made in the U.S.

    CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS

    Yes. I doubt many, if any, would disagree.

    REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN,
    AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.

    How would this be the responsibility of the federal government?
    An argument could be made for D.C. but not the rest.
    How would the cost be funded? You want to reduce and/or eliminate
    taxes on wages. As I mention above, I like the idea, but a large part
    of federal funding will be gone.

    STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE >STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

    Isn't it that now? Sure, China can give us a run for our money,
    but I'm confident the U.S. would win in the end.

    KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY

    If the rest of the world continues to agree, it will be.

    FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS,
    INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE

    And how would you fund it with the tax cuts you suggest above?
    Social Security is funded by taxes on wages.

    CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME
    REGULATIONS

    EVs are fine. But don't think you're doing the environment any
    favors by using one. You've just shifted your carbon footprint from
    the gas pump to the electric generating station. Plus all the
    pollution formed from mining the raw materials needed to make the
    batteries and such.

    CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL >GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL
    CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN

    So only white male content?

    KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS

    Yes.

    DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND
    PATRIOTIC AGAIN

    But above you demand free speech be protected. Now you want
    someone who is pro-Hamas deported?
    Do you think only the speech you agree with should be protected?
    That is how it's coming across.

    SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION,
    PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP

    I don't know how it's done anywhere else, but when I vote I have
    to show proper government issued ID. But electronic voting is used.
    I've never used an absentee ballot, so I don't actually KNOW how they
    work.

    UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
    *****

    When America is united, confident, and committed to our principles, it
    will never fail.

    Today and together, with Love for our Country, Faith in our People, and
    Trust in God's Good Grace, we will Make America Great Again!

    Which God? There are a number of them people claim exist. I
    question the existence of any deity.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sun Oct 6 12:14:40 2024
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    On 10/6/2024 5:00 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Do you mean illegal immigration, or all immigration? This is an
    important distinction.

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform

    When America is united, confident, and committed to our principles, it
    will never fail.

    Today and together, with Love for our Country, Faith in our People, and
    Trust in God's Good Grace, we will Make America Great Again!

    Table of Contents
    1. DEFEAT INFLATION, AND QUICKLY BRING DOWN ALL PRICES.

    2. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION.

    3. BUILD THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY.

    4. BRING BACK THE AMERICAN DREAM AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE AGAIN FOR
    FAMILIES, YOUNG PEOPLE, AND EVERYONE.

    5. PROTECT AMERICAN WORKERS AND FARMERS FROM UNFAIR TRADE.

    6. PROTECT SENIORS.

    7. CULTIVATE GREAT K-12 SCHOOLS LEADING TO GREAT JOBS AND GREAT LIVES
    FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

    8. BRING COMMON SENSE TO OUR GOVERNMENT AND RENEW THE PILLARS OF
    AMERICAN CIVILIZATION

    9. GOVERNMENT OF, BY, AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

    10. RETURN TO PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.

    CHAPTER ONE: DEFEAT INFLATION AND QUICKLY BRING DOWN ALL PRICES

    Our Commitment:

    The Republican Party will reverse the worst Inflation crisis in four
    decades that has crushed the middle class, devastated family budgets,
    and pushed the dream of homeownership out of reach for millions. We will
    defeat Inflation, tackle the cost-of-living crisis, improve fiscal
    sanity, restore price stability, and quickly bring down prices.

    Inflation is a crushing tax on American families. History shows that
    Inflation will not magically disappear while policies remain the same.
    We commit to unleashing American Energy, reining in wasteful spending,
    cutting excessive Regulations, securing our Borders, and restoring Peace through Strength. Together, we will restore Prosperity, ensure Economic Security, and build a brighter future for American Workers and their
    families. Our dedication to these Policies will make America stronger,
    more resilient, and more prosperous than ever before.

    1. Unleash American Energy

    Under President Trump, the U.S. became the Number One Producer of Oil
    and Natural Gas in the World — and we will soon be again by lifting restrictions on American Energy Production and terminating the Socialist
    Green New Deal. Republicans will unleash Energy Production from all
    sources, including nuclear, to immediately slash Inflation and power
    American homes, cars, and factories with reliable, abundant, and
    affordable Energy.

    2. Rein in Wasteful Federal Spending

    Republicans will immediately stabilize the Economy by slashing wasteful Government spending and promoting Economic Growth.

    3. Cut Costly and Burdensome Regulations

    Republicans will reinstate President Trump's Deregulation Policies,
    which saved Americans $11,000 per household, and end Democrats'
    regulatory onslaught that disproportionately harms low- and
    middle-income households.

    4. Stop Illegal Immigration

    Republicans will secure the Border, deport Illegal Aliens, and reverse
    the Democrats' Open Borders Policies that have driven up the cost of
    Housing, Education, and Healthcare for American families.

    5. Restore Peace through Strength

    War breeds Inflation while geopolitical stability brings price
    stability. Republicans will end the global chaos and restore Peace
    through Strength, reducing geopolitical risks and lowering commodity prices.

    CHAPTER TWO: SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION

    Our Commitment:

    Republicans offer an aggressive plan to stop the open-border policies
    that have opened the floodgates to a tidal wave of illegal Aliens,
    deadly drugs, and Migrant Crime. We will end the Invasion at the
    Southern Border, restore Law and Order, protect American Sovereignty,
    and deliver a Safe and Prosperous Future for all Americans.

    1. Secure the Border

    Republicans will restore every Border Policy of the Trump administration
    and halt all releases of Illegal Aliens into the interior. We will
    complete the Border Wall, shift massive portions of Federal Law
    Enforcement to Immigration Enforcement, and use advanced technology to
    monitor and secure the Border. We will use all resources needed to stop
    the Invasion—including moving thousands of Troops currently stationed overseas to our own Southern Border. We will deploy the U.S. Navy to
    impose a full Fentanyl Blockade on the waters of our Region—boarding and inspecting ships to look for fentanyl and fentanyl precursors. Before we
    defend the Borders of Foreign Countries, we must first secure the Border
    of our Country.

    2. Enforce Immigration Laws

    Republicans will strengthen ICE, increase penalties for illegal entry
    and overstaying Visas, and reinstate "Remain in Mexico" and other
    Policies that helped reduce Illegal Immigration by historic lows in
    President Trump's first term. We will also invoke the Alien Enemies Act
    to remove all known or suspected gang members, drug dealers, or cartel
    members from the United States, ending the scourge of Illegal Alien gang violence once and for all. We will bring back the Travel Ban, and use
    Title 42 to end the child trafficking crisis by returning all trafficked children to their families in their Home Countries immediately.

    3. Begin Largest Deportation Program in American History

    President Trump and Republicans will reverse the Democrats' destructive
    Open Borders Policies that have allowed criminal gangs and Illegal
    Aliens from around the World to roam the United States without
    consequences. The Republican Party is committed to sending Illegal
    Aliens back home and removing those who have violated our Laws.

    4. Strict Vetting

    Republicans will use existing Federal Law to keep foreign
    Christian-hating Communists, Marxists, and Socialists out of America.
    Those who join our Country must love our Country. We will use extreme
    vetting to ensure that jihadists and jihadist sympathizers are not admitted.

    5. Stop Sanctuary Cities

    Republicans will cut federal Funding to sanctuary jurisdictions that
    release dangerous Illegal Alien criminals onto our streets, rather than
    handing them over to ICE. We will require local cooperation with Federal Immigration Enforcement.

    6. Ensure Our Legal Immigration System Puts American Workers First

    Republicans will prioritize Merit-based immigration, ensuring those
    admitted to our Country contribute positively to our Society and
    Economy, and never become a drain on Public Resources. We will end Chain Migration, and put American Workers first!

    CHAPTER THREE: BUILD THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY

    Our Commitment:

    American Workers are the most productive, talented, and innovative on
    Earth. The only thing holding them back is the suffocating policies of
    the Democrat Party. Our America First Economic Agenda rests on five
    pillars: Slashing Regulations, cutting Taxes, securing Fair Trade Deals, ensuring Reliable and Abundant Low Cost Energy, and championing
    Innovation. Together, we will restore Economic Prosperity and
    Opportunity for all Americans.

    1. Cut Regulations

    Republicans will slash Regulations that stifle Jobs, Freedom, Innovation
    and make everything more expensive. We will implement Transparency and
    Common Sense in rulemaking.

    2. Make Trump Tax Cuts Permanent and No Tax on Tips

    Republicans will make permanent the provisions of the Trump Tax Cuts and
    Jobs Act that doubled the standard deduction, expanded the Child Tax
    Credit, and spurred Economic Growth for all Americans. We will eliminate
    Taxes on Tips for millions of Restaurant and Hospitality Workers, and
    pursue additional Tax Cuts.

    3. Fair and Reciprocal Trade Deals

    Republicans will continue forging an America First Trade Policy as set
    forth in Chapter 5, standing up to Countries that cheat and prioritizing American Producers over Foreign Outsourcers. We will bring our critical
    Supply Chains back home. President Trump turned American Trade Policy
    around, protecting U.S. Producers, and renegotiating failed agreements.

    4. Reliable and Abundant Low Cost Energy

    Republicans will increase Energy Production across the board, streamline permitting, and end market-distorting restrictions on Oil, Natural Gas,
    and Coal. The Republican Party will once again make America Energy
    Independent, and then Energy Dominant, lowering Energy prices even below
    the record lows achieved during President Trump's first term.

    5. Champion Innovation

    Republicans will pave the way for future Economic Greatness by leading
    the World in Emerging Industries.

    Crypto

    Republicans will end Democrats' unlawful and unAmerican Crypto crackdown
    and oppose the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency. We will
    defend the right to mine Bitcoin, and ensure every American has the
    right to self-custody of their Digital Assets, and transact free from Government Surveillance and Control.

    Artificial Intelligence (AI)

    We will repeal Joe Biden's dangerous Executive Order that hinders AI Innovation, and imposes Radical Leftwing ideas on the development of
    this technology. In its place, Republicans support AI Development rooted
    in Free Speech and Human Flourishing.

    Expanding Freedom, Prosperity and Safety in Space

    Under Republican Leadership, the United States will create a robust Manufacturing Industry in Near Earth Orbit, send American Astronauts
    back to the Moon, and onward to Mars, and enhance partnerships with the
    rapidly expanding Commercial Space sector to revolutionize our ability
    to access, live in, and develop assets in Space.

    CHAPTER FOUR: BRING BACK THE AMERICAN DREAM AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE AGAIN
    FOR FAMILIES, YOUNG PEOPLE, AND EVERYONE

    Our Commitment:

    Republicans offer a plan to make the American Dream affordable again. We
    commit to reducing Housing, Education, and Healthcare costs, while
    lowering everyday expenses, and increasing opportunities.

    1. Housing Affordability

    To help new home buyers, Republicans will reduce mortgage rates by
    slashing Inflation, open limited portions of Federal Lands to allow for
    new home construction, promote homeownership through Tax Incentives and
    support for first-time buyers, and cut unnecessary Regulations that
    raise housing costs.

    2. Accessible Higher Education

    To reduce the cost of Higher Education, Republicans will support the
    creation of additional, drastically more affordable alternatives to a traditional four-year College degree.

    3. Affordable Healthcare

    Healthcare and prescription drug costs are out of control. Republicans
    will increase Transparency, promote Choice and Competition, and expand
    access to new Affordable Healthcare and prescription drug options. We
    will protect Medicare, and ensure Seniors receive the care they need
    without being burdened by excessive costs.

    4. Lower Everyday Costs

    Republicans will reduce the Regulatory burden, lower Energy costs, and
    promote Economic Policies that drive down the cost of living and prices
    for everyday goods and services.

    CHAPTER FIVE: PROTECT AMERICAN WORKERS AND FARMERS FROM UNFAIR TRADE

    Our Commitment:

    The Republican Party stands for a patriotic "America First" Economic
    Policy. Republicans offer a robust plan to protect American Workers,
    Farmers, and Industries from unfair Foreign Competition. We commit to rebalancing Trade, securing Strategic Independence, and revitalizing Manufacturing. We will prioritize Domestic Production, and ensure
    National Independence in essential goods and services. Together, we will
    build a Strong, Self-reliant, and Prosperous America.

    1. Rebalance Trade

    Our Trade deficit in goods has grown to over $1 Trillion Dollars a year. Republicans will support baseline Tariffs on Foreign-made goods, pass
    the Trump Reciprocal Trade Act, and respond to unfair Trading practices.
    As Tariffs on Foreign Producers go up, Taxes on American Workers,
    Families, and Businesses can come down.

    2. Secure Strategic Independence from China

    Republicans will revoke China's Most Favored Nation status, phase out
    imports of essential goods, and stop China from buying American Real
    Estate and Industries.

    3. Save the American Auto Industry

    Republicans will revive the U.S. Auto Industry by reversing harmful Regulations, canceling Biden's Electric Vehicle and other Mandates, and preventing the importation of Chinese vehicles.

    4. Bring Home Critical Supply Chains

    Republicans will bring critical Supply Chains back to the U.S., ensuring National Security and Economic Stability, while also creating Jobs and
    raising Wages for American Workers.

    5. Buy American and Hire American

    Republicans will strengthen Buy American and Hire American Policies,
    banning companies that outsource jobs from doing business with the
    Federal Government.

    6. Become the Manufacturing Superpower

    By protecting American Workers from unfair Foreign Competition and
    unleashing American Energy, Republicans will restore American
    Manufacturing, creating Jobs, Wealth, and Investment.

    CHAPTER SIX: PROTECT SENIORS

    Our Commitment:

    President Trump has made absolutely clear that he will not cut one penny
    from Medicare or Social Security. American Citizens work hard their
    whole lives, contributing to Social Security and Medicare. These
    programs are promises to our Seniors, ensuring they can live their
    golden years with dignity. Republicans will protect these vital programs
    and ensure Economic Stability. We will work with our Great Seniors, in
    order to allow them to be active and healthy. We commit to safeguarding
    the future for our Seniors and all American families.

    1. Protect Social Security

    Social Security is a lifeline for millions of Retirees, yet corrupt
    politicians have robbed Social Security to fund their pet projects.
    Republicans will restore Economic Stability to ensure the long-term sustainability of Social Security.

    2. Strengthen Medicare

    Republicans will protect Medicare's finances from being financially
    crushed by the Democrat plan to add tens of millions of new illegal
    immigrants to the rolls of Medicare. We vow to strengthen Medicare for
    future generations.

    3. Support Active and Healthy Living

    Republicans will support increased focus on Chronic Disease prevention
    and management, Long-Term Care, and Benefit flexibility. We will expand
    access to Primary Care and support Policies that help Seniors remain in
    their homes and maintain Financial Security.

    4. Protect Care at Home for the Elderly

    Republicans will shift resources back to at-home Senior Care, overturn disincentives that lead to Care Worker shortages, and support unpaid
    Family Caregivers through Tax Credits and reduced red tape.

    5. Protect Economic Foundations for Supporting Seniors

    Republicans will tackle Inflation, unleash American Energy, restore
    Economic Growth, and secure our Borders to preserve Social Security and Medicare funding for the next Generation and beyond. We will ensure
    these programs remain solvent long into the future by reversing harmful Democrat policies and unleashing a new Economic Boom.

    CHAPTER SEVEN: CULTIVATE GREAT K-12 SCHOOLS LEADING TO GREAT JOBS AND
    GREAT LIVES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE

    Our Commitment:

    Republicans offer a plan to cultivate great K-12 schools, ensure safe
    learning environments free from political meddling, and restore Parental Rights. We commit to an Education System that empowers students,
    supports families, and promotes American Values. Our Education System
    must prepare students for successful lives and well-paying jobs.

    1. Great Principals and Great Teachers

    Republicans will support schools that focus on Excellence and Parental
    Rights. We will support ending Teacher Tenure, adopting Merit pay, and
    allowing various publicly supported Educational models.

    2. Universal School Choice

    Republicans believe families should be empowered to choose the best
    Education for their children. We support Universal School Choice in
    every State in America. We will expand 529 Education Savings Accounts
    and support Homeschooling Families equally.

    3. Prepare Students for Jobs and Careers

    Republicans will emphasize Education to prepare students for great jobs
    and careers, supporting project-based learning and schools that offer meaningful work experience. We will expose politicized education models
    and fund proven career training programs.

    4. Safe, Secure, and Drug-Free Schools

    Republicans will support overhauling standards on school discipline,
    advocate for immediate suspension of violent students, and support
    hardening schools to help keep violence away from our places of learning.

    5. Restore Parental Rights

    Republicans will restore Parental Rights in Education, and enforce our
    Civil Rights Laws to stop schools from discriminating on the basis of
    Race. We trust Parents!

    6. Knowledge and Skills, Not CRT and Gender Indoctrination

    Republicans will ensure children are taught fundamentals like Reading,
    History, Science, and Math, not Leftwing propaganda. We will defund
    schools that engage in inappropriate political indoctrination of our
    children using Federal Taxpayer Dollars.

    7. Promote Love of Country with Authentic Civics Education

    Republicans will reinstate the 1776 Commission, promote Fair and
    Patriotic Civics Education, and veto efforts to nationalize Civics
    Education. We will support schools that teach America's Founding
    Principles and Western Civilization.

    8. Freedom to Pray

    Republicans will champion the First Amendment Right to Pray and Read the
    Bible in school, and stand up to those who violate the Religious
    Freedoms of American students.

    9. Return Education to the States

    The United States spends more money per pupil on Education than any
    other Country in the World, and yet we are at the bottom of every
    educational list in terms of results. We are going to close the
    Department of Education in Washington, D.C. and send it back to the
    States, where it belongs, and let the States run our educational system
    as it should be run. Our Great Teachers, who are so important to the
    future wellbeing of our Country, will be cherished and protected by the Republican Party so that they can do the job of educating our students
    that they so dearly want to do. It is our goal to bring Education in the
    United States to the highest level, one that it has never attained before!

    CHAPTER EIGHT: BRING COMMON SENSE TO GOVERNMENT AND RENEW THE PILLARS OF AMERICAN CIVILIZATION

    Our Commitment:

    Republicans offer a plan to renew American Civilization with Common
    Sense Policies that supports families, restores Law and Order, cares for Veterans, promotes beauty, and honors American History. We commit to strengthening the Foundations of our Society for a brighter future.

    1. Empower American Families

    Republicans will promote a Culture that values the Sanctity of Marriage,
    the blessings of childhood, the foundational role of families, and
    supports working parents. We will end policies that punish families.

    2. Rebuild Our Cities and Restore Law and Order

    Republicans will restore safety in our neighborhoods by replenishing
    Police Departments, restoring Common Sense Policing, and protecting
    Officers from frivolous lawsuits. We will stand up to Marxist
    Prosecutors, vigorously defend the Right of every American to live in
    peace, and we will compassionately address homelessness to restore order
    to our streets.

    3. Make Washington D.C. the Safest and Most Beautiful Capital City

    Republicans will reassert greater Federal Control over Washington, DC to restore Law and Order in our Capital City, and ensure Federal Buildings
    and Monuments are well-maintained.

    4. Take Care of Our Veterans

    Republicans will end luxury housing and Taxpayer benefits for Illegal Immigrants and use those savings to shelter and treat homeless Veterans.
    We will restore Trump Administration reforms to expand Veterans'
    Healthcare Choices, protect Whistleblowers, and hold accountable poorly performing employees not giving our Veterans the care they deserve.

    5. Make Colleges and Universities Sane and Affordable

    Republicans will fire Radical Left accreditors, drive down Tuition
    costs, restore Due Process protections, and pursue Civil Rights cases
    against Schools that discriminate.

    6. Combat Antisemitism

    Republicans condemn antisemitism, and support revoking Visas of Foreign Nationals who support terrorism and jihadism. We will hold accountable
    those who perpetrate violence against Jewish people.

    7. Overcome the Crisis in Liberal Arts Education

    Republicans support the restoration of Classic Liberal Arts Education.

    8. Restore American Beauty

    Republicans will promote beauty in Public Architecture and preserve our
    Natural Treasures. We will build cherished symbols of our Nation, and
    restore genuine Conservation efforts.

    9. Honor American History

    Republicans celebrate our Great American Heroes and are proud that the
    Story of America makes everyone free. We will organize a National
    Celebration to mark the 250th Anniversary of the Founding of the United
    States of America.

    CHAPTER NINE: GOVERNMENT OF, BY, AND FOR THE PEOPLE

    Our Commitment:

    Republicans will offer a clear, precise, and USA oriented plan to stop
    the Radical Left Democrats' Weaponization of Government and its Assault
    on American Liberty. We will restore Government of, by, and for the
    People, ensuring Accountability, protecting Individual Liberties, and
    fixing our once very corrupt Elections. We commit to upholding the
    Constitution of the United States, appointing judges who respect the
    rule of law, and defending the Rights of all Americans to Life, Liberty,
    and the Pursuit of Happiness. We will maintain the Supreme Court as it
    was always meant to be, at 9 Justices. We will not allow the Democrat
    Party to increase this number, as they would like to do, by 4, 6, 8, 10,
    and even 12 Justices. We will block them at every turn.

    1. Republicans Will Stop Woke and Weaponized Government

    We will hold accountable those who have misused the power of Government
    to unjustly prosecute their Political Opponents. We will declassify
    Government records, root out wrongdoers, and fire corrupt employees.

    2. Republicans Will Dismantle Censorship & Protect Free Speech

    We will ban the Federal Government from colluding with anyone to censor
    Lawful Speech, defund institutions engaged in censorship, and hold
    accountable all bureaucrats involved with illegal censoring. We will
    protect Free Speech online.

    3. Republicans Will Defend Religious Liberty

    We are the defenders of the First Amendment Right to Religious Liberty.
    It protects the Right not only to Worship according to the dictates of Conscience, but also to act in accordance with those Beliefs, not just
    in places of Worship, but in everyday life. Our ranks include men and
    women from every Faith and Tradition, and we respect the Right of every American to follow his or her deeply held Beliefs. To protect Religious Liberty, Republicans support a new Federal Task Force on Fighting Anti-Christian Bias that will investigate all forms of illegal
    discrimination, harassment, and persecution against Christians in America.

    4. Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within
    the States, on the Issue of Life

    We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th
    Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no
    person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the
    States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After
    51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to
    a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while
    supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to
    Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments).

    5. Republicans Will End Left-wing Gender Insanity

    We will keep men out of women's sports, ban Taxpayer funding for sex
    change surgeries, and stop Taxpayer-funded Schools from promoting gender transition, reverse Biden's radical rewrite of Title IX Education
    Regulations, and restore protections for women and girls.

    6. Republicans Will Ensure Election Integrity

    We will implement measures to secure our Elections, including Voter ID,
    highly sophisticated paper ballots, proof of Citizenship, and same day
    Voting. We will not allow the Democrats to give Voting Rights to illegal Aliens.

    7. Republicans Will Protect Americans in the Territories.

    The territories of Guam, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana
    Islands, American Samoa, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico are of
    vital importance to our National Security, and we welcome their greater participation in all aspects of the political process.

    CHAPTER TEN: RETURN TO PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH

    Our Commitment:

    Keeping the American People safe requires a strong America. The Biden administration's weak Foreign Policy has made us less safe and a
    laughingstock all over the World. The Republican Plan is to return Peace through Strength, rebuilding our Military and Alliances, countering
    China, defeating terrorism, building an Iron Dome Missile Defense
    Shield, promoting American Values, securing our Homeland and Borders,
    and reviving our Defense Industrial Base. We will build a Military
    bigger, better, and stronger than ever before. Our full commitment is to protecting America and ensuring a safe and prosperous future for all.

    1. The National Interest

    Republicans will promote a Foreign Policy centered on the most essential American Interests, starting with protecting the American Homeland, our
    People, our Borders, our Great American Flag, and our Rights under God.

    2. Modernize the Military

    Republicans will ensure our Military is the most modern, lethal and
    powerful Force in the World. We will invest in cutting-edge research and advanced technologies, including an Iron Dome Missile Defense Shield,
    support our Troops with higher pay, and get woke Leftwing Democrats
    fired as soon as possible.

    3. Strengthen Alliances

    Republicans will strengthen Alliances by ensuring that our Allies must
    meet their obligations to invest in our Common Defense and by restoring
    Peace to Europe. We will stand with Israel, and seek peace in the Middle
    East. We will rebuild our Alliance Network in the Region to ensure a
    future of Peace, Stability, and Prosperity. Likewise, we will champion
    Strong, Sovereign, and Independent Nations in the Indo-Pacific, thriving
    in Peace and Commerce with others.

    4. Strengthen Economic, Military, and Diplomatic Capabilities

    Republicans will strengthen Economic, Military, and Diplomatic
    capabilities to protect the American way of life from the malign
    influences of Countries that stand against us around the World.

    5. Defend America's Borders

    Against all odds, President Trump has completed Hundreds of Miles of
    Wall, and he will quickly finish the job. Republicans will mobilize
    Military personnel and assets as necessary to crack down hard on the
    cartels that traffic drugs and people into our Country.

    6. Revive our Industrial Base

    Our Industrial Base is critical to ensuring good jobs for our people but
    also the reliable production of vital Defense platforms and supplies.
    Our Policy must be to revive our Industrial Base, with priority on Defense-critical industries. Equipment and parts critical to American
    Security must be MADE IN THE USA.

    7. Protect Critical Infrastructure

    Republicans will use all tools of National Power to protect our Nation's Critical Infrastructure and Industrial Base from malicious cyber actors.
    This will be a National Priority, and we will both raise the Security
    Standards for our Critical Systems and Networks and defend them against
    bad actors.

    APP Note: This platform was approved and made public by the platform
    committee on July 8, 2024 and formally adopted at the Republican
    National Convention on July 15, 2024.

    Republican Party Platforms, 2024 Republican Party Platform Online by
    Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/node/373351

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 02:34:36 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.politics.trump, alt.politics.democrat
    XPost: alt.politics.media, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 12:14:40 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 10/6/2024 5:00 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Do you mean illegal immigration, or all immigration? This is an
    important distinction.

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform

    When America is united, confident, and committed to our principles, it
    will never fail.

    Today and together, with Love for our Country, Faith in our People, and
    Trust in God's Good Grace, we will Make America Great Again!

    Table of Contents
    1. DEFEAT INFLATION, AND QUICKLY BRING DOWN ALL PRICES.

    [...]

    Reposting the same rant fails to answer any of the questions
    asked of you. Are you incapable of answering? Do you fear what honest
    answers would tell anyone reading?
    What, exactly, causes you to refuse to answer?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:04:06 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.politics.trump, alt.politics.democrat
    XPost: alt.politics.media, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills wrote:
    Which God? There are a number of them

    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the respondent.

    It never works, but what else can you do?

    Admit to corrupting a minor and doing time in a halfway house?

    No, for some reason you can't come clean on that, even though the court
    record is unambiguous on your conviction:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Oct 11 03:00:46 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.politics.trump, alt.politics.democrat
    XPost: alt.politics.media, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 14:04:06 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 14:57:10 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 10/5/2024 1:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
    called elections

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform

    To make clear our commitment, we offer to the American people the 2024 >>>GOP Platform to Make America Great Again! It is a forward-looking Agenda >>>that begins with the following twenty promises that we will accomplish >>>very quickly when we win the White House and Republican Majorities in
    the House and Senate.

    SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION

    Do you mean illegal immigration, or all immigration? This is an >>important distinction.



    Mitty? You didn't answer as Hiram or any of your other MANY socks.


    CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

    So, you want to return to the policies of the Obama
    administration? As of the time I write this, his was the admin with
    the largest number of deportations.



    Mitty? You didn't answer as Hiram or any of your other MANY socks.


    END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN

    Inflation isn't going to ever end. A temporary drop, or
    deflation, can happen, but the market will rise again.



    Mitty? You didn't answer as Hiram or any of your other MANY socks.


    MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!

    The United States is already the dominant energy producer in the >>world. By far.



    Mitty? You didn't... Aw, forget it. You've already admitted you lied.


    STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER >>
    This is a good one.

    LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!

    I'd like to see an end to taxes on compensation from employment.
    I don't expect it to happen as far too much is funded from it, Social >>Security, for one example, but I would like it.
    But if it does, a new federal tax on something else will come
    into being to cover the costs, so it will end up a wash.

    DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL >>>FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE
    RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

    How are these being infringed?
    Freedom of speech means the government cannot arrest you for
    saying that thing. It doesn't mean you are free from the consequences
    of saying that thing.
    Unless the religion is somehow infringing on someone else's
    rights, you are free to worship as you wish.
    With a few exceptions, all adult citizens have the right to bear
    arms.

    PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST,

    Europe is mostly peaceful. There are some "hot spots" of course. >>Ukraine instantly leaps to mind.
    The Middle East hasn't seen peace in so long, it's unlikely we
    can do anything to change it.
    Would the G.O.P.like to see the U.S. send troops to every
    conflict in the world, forcing peace at the end of a gun? If so, how
    do you think that would truly end?

    AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE >>>COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA

    That is just STUPID.

    END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

    Agreed.

    STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS,

    Sadly, if the country or origin won't share any details about any >>crimes committed by immigrants, there isn't much to be done.
    Many have been trying to demolish drug cartels, foreign and
    domestic, for a long time. They've been crippled for a bit. But that's
    all.
    It appears you're claiming immigrants are smuggling all the
    drugs. Some are being brought in with immigrants, legal and non, of
    course. But most actually come in with standard, valid cargo
    shipments. Even if all immigration were stopped, drugs would get
    smuggled in. Then there are those made in the U.S.

    CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS

    Yes. I doubt many, if any, would disagree.

    REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN,
    AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.

    How would this be the responsibility of the federal government?
    An argument could be made for D.C. but not the rest.
    How would the cost be funded? You want to reduce and/or eliminate >>taxes on wages. As I mention above, I like the idea, but a large part
    of federal funding will be gone.

    STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE >>>STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD

    Isn't it that now? Sure, China can give us a run for our money,
    but I'm confident the U.S. would win in the end.

    KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY

    If the rest of the world continues to agree, it will be.

    FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, >>>INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE

    And how would you fund it with the tax cuts you suggest above?
    Social Security is funded by taxes on wages.

    CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME >>>REGULATIONS

    EVs are fine. But don't think you're doing the environment any
    favors by using one. You've just shifted your carbon footprint from
    the gas pump to the electric generating station. Plus all the
    pollution formed from mining the raw materials needed to make the
    batteries and such.

    CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL >>>GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL >>>CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN

    So only white male content?

    KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS

    Yes.

    DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND >>>PATRIOTIC AGAIN

    But above you demand free speech be protected. Now you want
    someone who is pro-Hamas deported?
    Do you think only the speech you agree with should be protected?
    That is how it's coming across.

    SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, >>>PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP

    I don't know how it's done anywhere else, but when I vote I have
    to show proper government issued ID. But electronic voting is used.
    I've never used an absentee ballot, so I don't actually KNOW how they
    work.

    UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS >>>*****

    When America is united, confident, and committed to our principles, it >>>will never fail.

    Today and together, with Love for our Country, Faith in our People, and >>>Trust in God's Good Grace, we will Make America Great Again!

    Which God? There are a number of them people claim exist. I
    question the existence of any deity.

    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the >respondent.

    Ibid.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 11 10:49:36 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.politics.trump, alt.politics.democrat
    XPost: alt.politics.media, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills wrote:
    Mitty? You didn't answer as Hiram

    Migrants' aid is EATING US TAXPAYERS alive!

    And maybe, just maybe...it took a killer hurricane to start opening all Americans eyes!

    https://alphanews.org/mayorkas-bemoans-lack-of-fema-cash-for-hurricanes-after-spending-nearly-1-billion-on-migrant-crisis/

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) allocated over $1 billion
    for a migrant assistance program over the past two fiscal years, but now
    it is running out of cash for disaster relief as Hurricane Helene rages
    on and more storms loom.

    Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said on Wednesday that
    FEMA does not have enough funds to make it through hurricane season, The Associated Press reported. Though resources are running short for
    Americans displaced by Helene, the agency spent big on a program
    providing “humanitarian services to noncitizen migrants” after their release from Department of Homeland Security custody.

    FEMA disbursed the funds as part of its Shelter and Services Program,
    sending money to help cities, counties and states grapple with the
    migrant crisis, records show. Shelter, food, transportation, acute
    medical care and personal hygiene supplies are among the goods and
    services provided to migrants using FEMA’s funds.

    Congress and the Biden-Harris administration apportioned funding to FEMA specifically for the Shelter and Services Program, according to federal documents.


    https://x.com/Maga4liberty/status/1844029264854925400

    A $50 million FEMA facility for Illegals with a 800 bed capacity is
    sitting EMPTY and is right down the road from Asheville in Greensboro!
    Why isn't this place being used for the people who actually need it?

    https://www.wral.com/story/800-bed-facility-opens-for-child-migrants-in-greensboro/21331536/

    A new facility is open in Greensboro to house unaccompanied child
    migrants, but there is little information about how the center will operate.

    The Influx Care Facilities (ICF) at the Greensboro Children's Center is
    now operational and ready to receive children. However, operators told
    WRAL News no children are currently scheduled to be placed there.

    The 100-acre property at 4334 Hobbs Road is surrounded by a fence with
    security guards posted at all entrances. WRAL News visited on Friday and
    saw very few people coming and going.

    The ICF Greensboro Children's Center in northwest Greensboro was
    formerly the American Hebrew Academy.

    Government documents show the U.S. Department of Health and Human
    Services is leasing the property, paying more than $50 million for five
    years.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13145591/maine-taxpayer-funded-apartment-complex-migrants.html

    Residents of a Maine town have hit out at the $13million construction of
    a complex of 60 apartments for asylum seekers, where they can live rent
    free for two years then pay a fraction of the rental price.

    Locals in Brunswick have expressed fury over the project, which is being
    funded by a mix of private and public money and which has been heavily criticized by Donald Trump Jr.

    The apartment complex in Brunswick is one of the many projects being
    launched by the town in what critics have labeled a 'Taj Mahal',
    red-carpet welcome for asylum seekers.

    There are currently 180 apartments in the Brunswick Landing complex
    available for anyone to rent. A one bedroom unit costs $1,800 a month,
    while a two-bedroom costs $2,300 a month.

    The new buildings for asylum seekers will allow residents to live
    rent-free for up to two years while they obtain work permits.

    Then, if they obtain a job that pays half of the average local salary of $60,000, they will only have to pay a third of the rental price. It
    boils down to a monthly cost of around $500 for a one bedroom, and $690
    for a two bedroom.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/11/politics/undocumented-immigrants-health-care-democrats/index.html

    Democrats want to offer health care to undocumented immigrants.

    Americans are divided about providing more comprehensive government-backedcoverage to the roughly 11 million undocumented
    immigrants in the US. Some 59% of Americans say that such coverage
    should not be available to undocumented immigrants, according to a CNN
    poll conducted in late June.

    Among those whothink it should be, there’s a big disparity along party
    lines. Some 66% of Democrats supporting giving government coverage to
    the undocumented, but only 10% of Republicans feeling the same way.

    The Democrats’ position has given Trump fodder to attack his opponents.

    “How about taking care of American Citizens first!?” he argued on
    Twitter after the first Democratic debate, in June.

    --
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Oct 12 07:42:27 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.politics.trump, alt.politics.democrat
    XPost: alt.politics.media, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:49:36 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 14:04:06 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

    So, you want to return to the policies of the Obama >>>>administration? As of the time I write this, his was the admin with
    the largest number of deportations.


    Mitty? You didn't answer as Hiram or any of your other MANY socks.


    END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN

    Inflation isn't going to ever end. A temporary drop, or
    deflation, can happen, but the market will rise again.


    Mitty? You didn't answer as Hiram or any of your other MANY socks.


    MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!

    The United States is already the dominant energy producer in the >>>>world. By far.


    Mitty? You didn't... Aw, forget it. You've already admitted you lied.

    Migrants' aid is EATING US TAXPAYERS alive!

    And maybe, just maybe...it took a killer hurricane to start opening all >Americans eyes!

    What does that have to do with you admitting you lied? Are you
    trying to divert from the truth again? (Spoiler: You are.)

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From snell@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 16:10:30 2024
    XPost: alt.politics.trump, alt.politics.democrat, alt.politics.media
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    CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

    Starting with the jews. It always must start with the Jews.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 16:13:54 2024
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    SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
    CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
    END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
    MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
    STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER >LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
    DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL
    FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE
    RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
    PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST,
    AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE
    COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
    END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
    STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS,
    CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
    REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN,
    AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
    STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE >STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
    KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
    FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS,
    INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
    CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME
    REGULATIONS
    CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL >GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL
    CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
    KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
    DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND
    PATRIOTIC AGAIN
    SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION,
    PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
    UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

    That's all stuff he did the first time around.

    He doesn't need to do it again.

    He needs to find something new.

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  • From Lawrence Solomon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 16:19:33 2024
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    Trust in God's Good Grace, we will Make America Great Again!

    First everyone must accept Jesus Christ as their savior. There can be no exceptions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sat Oct 12 14:37:34 2024
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    K Wills wrote:
    Are you trying to divert from the truth again? (Spoiler: You are.)

    I would be too, if this were my rap sheet:

    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    But it's not --- it's all YOURS!
    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Oct 13 04:51:06 2024
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    XPost: alt.politics.media, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 14:37:34 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    The United States is already the dominant energy producer in the >>>>>>world. By far.


    Mitty? You didn't... Aw, forget it. You've already admitted you lied.

    Migrants' aid is EATING US TAXPAYERS alive!

    And maybe, just maybe...it took a killer hurricane to start opening all >>>Americans eyes!

    What does that have to do with you admitting you lied? Are you
    trying to divert from the truth again? (Spoiler: You are.)

    I would be too, if this were my rap sheet:

    That doesn't even make sense. But, at least, you are admitting
    you lied. Again. Every time you get caught lying, you use this same
    ruse. And it fails ever time.
    I can't even imagine how it is to be so incredibly stupid you
    can't deal with reality. I doubt you can explain it.
    You will continue to use the same failed method to divert from
    the truth you despise. I have commanded you, so you will. You cannot
    stop yourself.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 14 12:13:39 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.fan.bob-larson, alt.politics.media
    XPost: alt.food.fast-food

    K Wills wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 14:37:34 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    The United States is already the dominant energy producer in the >>>>>>> world. By far.


    Mitty? You didn't... Aw, forget it. You've already admitted you lied. >>>>
    Migrants' aid is EATING US TAXPAYERS alive!

    And maybe, just maybe...it took a killer hurricane to start opening all >>>> Americans eyes!

    What does that have to do with you admitting you lied? Are you
    trying to divert from the truth again? (Spoiler: You are.)

    I would be too, if this were my rap sheet:

    That doesn't even make sense. But, at least, you are admitting
    you lied. Again. Every time you get caught lying, you use this same
    ruse. And it fails ever time.
    I can't even imagine how it is to be so incredibly stupid you
    can't deal with reality. I doubt you can explain it.
    You will continue to use the same failed method to divert from
    the truth you despise. I have commanded you, so you will. You cannot
    stop yourself.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    Does the name Ken-tucci mean anything to you?

    https://foreverknightfa.livejournal.com/132726.html

    foreverknightfan's journal
    occasional rants and bites V^^^^V
    bob larson
    Some Bob Larson-- Ken Smith stuff
    mood: busy
    The following is old in terms of online stuff but does encapsule a
    number of things Bob Larson was about during his BLM years.

    #######


    Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 16:11 EDT
    To: [email protected]
    From: "Scott.Mikusko" <[email protected]>
    Subject: Bob Larson: Looking Out for Number One.

    Bob Larson: Looking Out For Number One

    In my previous CPR articles concerning Bob Larson, I have focused on his financial affairs, and his inability to deal with honest scrutiny. But
    the most
    intriguing part of the Bob Larson story is how his vision of himself has
    molded
    the ministry which bears his name.
    As you might expect, Larson is not that eager to make BLM's deepest,
    darkest
    secrets available to us, but his generous employees have been more than
    able to
    fill in most of the gaps. In recent weeks, significant new sources of information have come forward, and fresh caches of internal Ministry
    memos have
    surfaced. And now, the picture of everyday life behind the walls of
    Larson's
    third-floor fortress seems clear enough that the story can be told. It is a most disturbing tale -- of a world of smoke, mirrors, and startling contradictions.

    Secrets of Freemasonry Revealed:
    Two o'clock. The music rolls, and Bob Larson leans into the microphone:

    "Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Henry Lee Lucas, and Charles Manson.
    Kids will soon be bartering these serial killers on trading cards
    thanks to a California company that's recently introduced the
    series. In addition to horror films and violent
    books, the media have taken one more step contributing to
    adolescents' evil addictions."1

    To the casual listener, Larson seems urbane, eloquent, and possessed
    of an
    astounding memory. His many impassioned pleas are straight from the
    heart --
    and totally off-the-cuff. His command of Scripture is as fine as his
    control of
    the callers. But on Talk-Back, nothing is left to chance. Even when
    Bob Larson
    talks about Bob Larson, he is reading from a script. This Larson speech
    came
    from the pen of staffer Mary Kilgannon:

    "I've been threatened by a bullet in the brain. I've also
    been warned that I may be offered as a satanic sacrifice. For
    weeks, I've been told by death metal rockers and sinister
    Satanists that I'm to die today. But I'm still alive and in
    God's service...."2

    That Larson should read his opening lines is hardly surprising. But the extent to which Talk-Back is scripted, pre-packaged, and painstakingly orchestrated is remarkable. His openings, monologues, and wrap-ups are
    totally
    canned; he even reads the phone numbers.3 And, as the following
    snippets from
    an internal Ministry memo written by Kilgannon (initialed by her and
    substitute
    host Bonnie Bell) suggest, everything from what Bob says between callers
    to why
    he says it is menu-driven':

    "TOPIC: BOB BATTLES BACK

    DATE: FRI 8-28-92

    SLANT: Your donors let you down earlier in the week. Then,
    they abandoned Bonnie while you were called by God to
    write your sequel. Instead of supporting your efforts
    to help the abused, donors have financially and
    spiritually abused you and this ministry....

    WHY I'M DOING THIS SHOW:

    *I had to take time out of my hectic schedule to rescue
    yesterday's show. Members of my staff called in a panic because
    you didn't support this ministry. I'm called by the Lord to
    write the sequel to Dead Air, and I couldn't count on you....

    BULLETS:

    *I don't like having my private time writing this book with the
    Lord to be interrupted. But you force that on me....

    *I've got one day left to save stations. Yesterday's show could
    mean the loss of major stations.

    *If you believe in the mission of this ministry, it's time you
    supported it."4

    In essence, Larson is like a network anchorman. Even his knowledge of Scripture is prompted -- for instance, in the "Gay Power" episode, a Larson employee provided him with a list of Bible verses addressing homosexuality.5
    The only actual variable is the callers, and every effort is made to
    control
    them as much as possible. A prospective caller must first run the
    gauntlet of
    Larson's call-screeners -- who, for the most part, are instructed to
    give him
    the kind of callers that he wants. If he wants to have an argument,
    they screen
    out his supporters. If Bob gets into trouble, and the show is going
    poorly, a
    stream of "Bob-backers" miraculously appears. And the final few minutes
    of the
    show generally are reserved for those who would praise him.
    When the screener decides that a caller is to appear on the program, the office machinery goes into action. If he or she has been on Talk-Back
    before,
    the screener performs a background check. Vital statistics (e.g., age, sex, caller's location) are flashed on Bob's screen, and, if an earlier call was particularly poignant, the tape is pulled from Ministry archives and
    given to
    him. And he always "just happens" to have it in the studio....

    More than a year ago, Westword reported that Larson actively courted "exhorters": Christians who would appear on his broadcasts, on cue, to
    sing his
    praises.6 Other sources close to Larson have confirmed that charge;
    former BLM
    vice-president Lori Boespflug went so far as to say that then-Compassion Connection director Margo Hamilton would "call up her kids" and prompt
    them into
    giving on-air testimony.7 And now, an internal memo further fans those
    flames:

    "TO: BOB
    CC: TAMMY, CC STAFF, DEANN
    FROM: MARGO
    DATE: 7/10/92
    SUBJ: TODAY'S SHOW, HOPE LINE STORIES

    _______________________________________

    4) HOPE LINE STORIES:
    * Due to the sensitive issue of exploitation of HOPE line
    callers who wish to remain anonymous I want the referral
    operators to ask HOPE line callers who are enthused about
    the help the [sic] received to give us a number to call
    them during the show and speak directly to you about the
    help they've received."8

    To the casual observer, the sudden appearance of these formerly
    distressed
    callers seems too remarkable to be the result of naked chance. It would
    appear
    that divine intervention can be ruled out, as well.


    The Prophet Motive:
    Talk-Back is not a ministry; it is a business. And Bob Larson runs
    it like
    one. His obsession with the bottom line is painfully clear in this
    snippet from
    a June, 1992 memo:

    "The following is Bob Larson's analysis of reports compiled by
    Debbi and memos prepared by her and Bonnie covering: year end
    reports 1991; month end stats; large donor analyses....

    YEAR END OVER THE AIR ANALYSIS
    1. Accounted for 52% of revenue in 1991 and 1990 and 51% 1989.
    CONCLUSION: Half of revenue is raised at "point of sale" by
    impulse response by emotional live appeals.

    2. Success if a combination of campaign themes, premiums and
    good caller." [sic]9

    Larson's call screeners are forced to balance his need to have "good
    caller"
    and an honest desire to offer help to those which ask for it. And
    sometimes,
    the callers' interests lose. In World's January, 1993 expose, former
    Ministry
    employee Tammy Brown created a firestorm when she charged:

    "Bob would put [callers] on hold and we would have to
    manipulate them, push them over the edge so they could
    go back on the air with Talk-Back and be saved by Bob
    Larson ... We had to push until they said, 'OK, I need
    God'."10

    Sound ministry doesn't always make for riveting drama. But money is
    the name
    of Bob Larson's game -- you have to grip the audience to grab hold of their checkbooks. And in the cold, hard world of radio ministry, there is
    bound to
    be a certain amount of human carnage. The following is from a 1992
    letter to
    Bob from a Washington therapist:

    "One client recently wrote to you [name withheld] ... She also
    worked up her courage to phone you last week. What she had
    hoped for was encouragement and prayer from you and your Hope
    Line. What she received was something quite different. After
    briefly talking to you on the air, she was passed on to a woman
    on the other line. This woman told her that you believed she
    was multiple. She then began asking [name] questions about her
    abuse. Had she been involved in group sex? Sex with animals?
    Had her father ever dressed her in white? ...and more. [Name]
    answered no to these, and she then asked if she could produce
    an alter who knew about these things. [Name]'s system does not
    operate on command' so she answered No. The woman said she
    would then put her on hold, and when she came back on the line
    she wanted to talk to an alter. When she returned, and no
    alter has appeared, she basically said we can't help you, and
    hung up. [Name] called several more times, wanting prayer, and
    perhaps someone who would validate and affirm her.... When she
    told her name, she was actually hung up on."11

    Judging by this excerpt (from an anonymous letter to the editor of the Colorado Christian News), the Washington woman's story is not at all unique:

    "I have been a caller on TALK-BACK on more than one occasion.
    On each of these occasions, after placing me with the referral
    operator, Bob would begin pleading with the audience for a
    thousand dollar champion' or a five hundred dollar hero'
    [sic] in order to help me.
    Although Bob told his audience that he needed the money to
    help me, he in fact did nothing of the sort. He would not
    accept my calls nor would he answer my mail. At one point, one
    of his staff promised a therapy program, saying they had in
    fact called for counseling in reference to me and it was a
    matter of my waiting. When the wait became too long, I decided
    to check it out myself. They said they had no idea what I was
    talking about. BLM had never contacted them."12

    Still, in the midst of all this misery, some ministry does in fact get done. Unfortunately, the bulk of it is done by the Compassion Connection
    affiliates.
    All BLM does is make referrals, from what is nothing more than a
    computerized
    telephone directory.
    At one point, Compassion Connection was a more noble endeavor. But in an apparent response to Larson's divorce, Salem Broadcasting president Ed
    Atsinger
    cancelled the show on several crucial stations. That derailed Bob's gravy train; as a reaction, he decided to make drastic cuts in program services:

    TO: BOB
    CC: ANGELO
    FROM: MARGO
    DATE: 11/26/91
    SUBJ: CC CUTBACKS

    ===============================================================
    THE FOLLOWING ARE IMMEDIATE CUTBACKS WE CAN IMPLEMENT INTO COM
    PASSION CONNECTION TO COMPENSATE THE LOSE OF THE SALEM STATIONS
    [sic]

    1) HOPE LINE HOURS: Immediate cutback of Saturday hours.
    We should let Randy know ASAP.... [approved by BL]

    8) CC INTERVENTION: We have promised Eric we would fly him to
    San Diego [they eventually paid $165 for a bus ticket13]
    and Amy is coming closer to a decision about moving to
    Albuquerque. I propose we support them in their moves, but
    put an immediate freeze on other crisis intervention
    financially supported by the ministry and rely solely on the
    database and the Friendship connection until we can resume
    ministry intervention [approved by BL]."14

    Of course, the desperate financial climate would not deter Bob from
    funding
    projects essential to the Ministry's mission ... like installation of a broadcast studio in his mountainside mansion, only minutes from his Lakewood office.15


    I Love Myself...:
    It seems that almost every aspect of Bob Larson Ministries is bathed in a torrent of hypocrisy. This spiritual heir of Billy Sol Hargis is constantly trapped between the demands of his public persona and his compulsive
    need to be
    important. And as such, the simple act of telling the truth -- one most
    of us
    find to be second-nature -- becomes an overwhelming task.
    On his Jan. 29, 1993 broadcast, Larson claimed that he "always flies coach,"16
    unless he earns frequent flier upgrades. And again, internal BLM
    documents cast
    grave aspersions upon that claim. A memo dated Nov. 10, 1992 listed Bob's itinerary for an Apr. 2, 1993 appearance in Columbus, Ohio, indicating
    that he
    would be sitting in seat 4C (first class) on both legs of that trip, and
    the air
    fare would be $728.17. Likewise, his October, 1992 trip to Cleveland
    cost the
    Ministry $855, and again, he was sitting in the first cabin.18 But even
    for Bob
    Larson, there are limits: on a recent trip to Vancouver, he actually DID fly coach.
    On George Orwell's fictional Animal Farm, all animals were equal ...
    but some
    were more equal than others. It seems that, on a recent trip to
    Scottsdale, Bob
    Larson wouldn't suffer the indignity of having to stay in the stables
    with the
    hired help. While Larson employees Linda Brown and Bonnie Bell doubled
    up in a
    modest $105 room at the Red Lion Inn, Bob Larson (using Dane Roberts,
    one of his
    pseudonyms) was enjoying life in a $215/night room at the nearby Marriott.19 And for Larson, that almost qualifies as slumming it -- according to Lori Boespflug, Bob prefers to stay at the Phoenician, where high-season
    rates for a
    room with a view exceed $300.20. His computerized address book contains
    phone
    numbers for such humble abodes as the Ritz-Carlton Laguna Niguel, The
    Beverly
    Hills Hilton, and the Hyatt Regency San Francisco.21 Granted, he's not the Donald, but it is fair to say that he travels well.
    Former Larson confidants have told me that he is so completely
    self-absorbed
    that he even keeps an 8" X 10" glossy picture of himself on his desk!
    [If you
    saw his cameo appearance in the recent HBO special on Satanism, you
    might have
    noticed it in the right-hand side of the screen.22 One can just picture the inscription: "To Bob Larson -- All my love. Bob Larson."] And, at a Mark Russell concert, this balding man of nearly fifty bounded on-stage with an almost childlike glee ... to have his picture taken with the patron saint of political satire.23
    As Christianity Today reported, and former employees have confirmed,
    Larson is
    a perfectionist.24 Perfectionists do have a penchant for dwelling on the negative, and, for all his accomplishments, Larson has borne his share of failures. Like David Koresh, he never quite made it as a rock star. He dropped
    out of college, failed in his marriage, couldn't really cut it as a
    legitimate
    novelist. Even the one thing insiders insist he has wanted more than
    anything
    else -- a son -- has been denied him. After almost a decade of psychotherapy,25
    and almost thirty years "in the Lord's work," inner peace has been
    denied him.
    As an anonymous BLM employee observed in a letter to Salem Broad casting president Ed Atsinger:

    "It's also known that Mr. Larson is a psychotic person who
    doesn't really like himself and needs the constant cajoling of
    others such as his psychologist [presumably, his psychotherapist,
    Dr. Kenneth Mesplay26 of many years and one or two close
    employees who he uses until something better comes along. He
    leaves them betrayed and dismayed at the meaning behind the man
    and his ministry...."27

    Bob Larson is a man lashing out in pain. And, like the wounded bear
    in the
    cave, he will attack anything which comes his way. He has lost the
    capacity to
    help others, for he can no longer even help himself.


    Jailhouse Rock?:
    Bob Larson is a statistician's nightmare. He hurls figures like the
    young
    Nolan Ryan threw fastballs: at least 100 miles per hour, and not all that accurately. In his January 4, 1991 appeal letter to donors, he lamented
    that,
    "With our air time costs more than double what they were two years ago, our income is actually less than it was then."28 And in his February 4
    follow-up,
    he wrote:

    "Now, I'm faced with the most critical decision since TALK-BACK first
    went on the air!

    What do I do with a $213,000 deficit last year?

    Will I have to cut back 1 or 2 days of TALK-BACK?"29

    Taken together, the letters paint a picture of a ministry in serious financial
    distress. Yet, in reality, Bob Larson Ministries was in the veritable
    flower of
    fiscal health. Ministry tax returns revealed that revenues for 1990 had actually increased by more than $1.5 million, as compared to 1988.30 The Ministry's Stewardship Report showed a profit of more than $500,00031; the deficit reported in February was nowhere to be found. Similarly, the tax return revealed cash reserves of more than $1.5 million ... after making an unscheduled $1 million principal payment on the building it owns.32
    Still, Larson's cries of poverty continued. In his December 2, 1991 fundraiser, he told donors that, "Because our finances are so low, I'm
    sorry I
    can't make any offers available."33 He repeated that claim in a
    February, 1992
    appeal letter,34 despite the fact that the Ministry's annual audit was completed
    the day beforehand, and its' audited financial statements showed a $246,000 profit for the year.35

    That Bob Larson made these misrepresentations consciously and
    deliberately is
    beyond question. Each show is rated for its financial productivity, and Ministry accountants generate a dizzying array of donor statistics.
    Pledges are
    categorized by day, week, donor, and station; full histories are kept on stations, donors, and appeal letters. Even the daily deposits were
    compared to
    previous year figures. And everything that has anything to do with Ministry finances is routed to Bob.

    A certain measure of exaggeration is tolerated -- and to some degree expected
    -- in the typical fundraising letter. Yet, there are limits; Bob Larson's fundraising regime appears to have crossed into the realm of outright mail fraud.
    In one of those indecipherable 175-word sentences for which our federal government is rightly famed, 18 U.S.C. =1341 sets out the offense in excruciating detail:

    "Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme
    or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property
    by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations,
    or promises ... for the purpose of executing such scheme or
    artifice or attempting to do so, places in any post office
    or authorized depository for mail matter...."36

    Roughly translated, any fundraising scheme which uses the U.S. mail,
    and is
    reasonably calculated to deceive persons of ordinary prudence and
    comprehension
    constitutes federal mail fraud. It is not necessary to prove that a
    fact was
    misrepresented, or a donor, misled. Rather, all that needs to be shown
    is the
    intent to deceive' -- which may be inferred by the modus operandi of a
    scheme --
    and the use of the U.S. mails in furtherance of that intent.37
    That Bob Larson used the U.S. mail is beyond question; that he knew
    that the
    Ministry was in far better financial condition than he represented in
    his appeal
    letters appears equally clear. In fact, his own fundraising analysis, conducted
    in June of 1992, clearly suggests that his literary wails of financial desperation' in the December 1991 and February 1992 appeal letters were
    part of
    a curious experiment:

    GENERAL FACTS AND INFORMATION
    6. Not using premiums doesn't hurt letters and helps profit.

    7. Unique enclosures help response considerably.

    QUARTERLY APPEAL LETTER ANALYSIS
    1. Not offering premiums doesn't affect giving.

    2. Special enclosures (e.g. Deicide artwork, Sharon's poem)
    helps response."38

    At any rate, Larson's immaculate deception appears to have been
    successful.
    Thus we are left with the question of whether the scheme was reasonably calculated to deceive. One of the more persuasive ways of proving that
    prudent
    individuals were likely to be deceived is to demonstrate that one had been deceived. The pertinent excerpts from a letter to Compassion Connection director Margo Hamilton, from California attorney Michael Harvey, dated
    Dec. 12,
    1991, speak for themselves:

    "RE: WHITE CITY OREGON SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE CASE

    Dear Margo and Bob:

    This is some kind of battle, isn't it? The financial
    constraints and losses occurring at your ministry....

    I just need transportation costs and an Oregon associate
    attorney's costs, at this time, to go after these Satanists.
    I know you folks are in a major financial bind...."39

    Like many others who came to Bob Larson Ministries with hat in hand,
    Harvey
    "didn't receive a dime,"40 but that is beside the point. As an
    attorney, Harvey
    presumably qualifies as a person of ordinary prudence and comprehension; the letter clearly shows that he believed that Bob Larson Ministries was in
    woeful
    financial condition. And if a man of his caliber was fooled ... then,
    heaven
    help the little old lady from Dubuque.

    The Making of a Best-Selling Author:
    Behind the microphone, Bob Larson triumphantly proclaims that he is
    the author
    of twenty-two books, including an encyclopedic reference on cults,
    Larson's New
    Book of Cults. But as is often the case with Larson, reality just
    doesn't quite
    measure up to his press releases. As the following couple of internal memos suggests, it would be stretching the truth for him to even call himself an editor:

    "DEADLINE TO PUBLISHER: APRIL 1, 1989

    Tim's Role: Check for theological accuracy in ERRORS, APPEAL,
    and PURPOSE sections. Watch his timing. Can't take too long.
    He'll have to assume that factually, we're correct....

    PROCEDURES

    1. Outline/Scripts
    2. Writing (MO will assign)
    3. Internal editing -- MO
    4. Review -- TP = watch turn-around time
    5. Corrections -- MO
    6. BL
    7. Corrections/Remove footnotes -- MO
    8. Publisher"41
    _______________________

    CHAPTERS WRITTEN BY MS, PE, MO
    DATE
    CHAPTER AUTHOR FINISHED
    Charles Manson MS 2-16-89
    Free Masonry MS 2-22-89
    Crowleyism (beef up) MS 2-27-89

    Life Training PE 2-22-89
    Findhorn PE 2-24-89"42

    Bob Larson is noticeable only by his absence from the project. Ministry staffers Mary Stone (now, Kilgannon), Paula Ehresman, Pat Dunn, and Muriel Olson, along with freelance writer Kari Martin, wrote chapters based on old Talk-Back scripts (again written by staffers). Once Olson edited them, they were submitted to Tim Philibosian for theological review. Larson only gave their final product a quick once-over.
    The writing of a book is a laborious task, and, like many celebrity authors',
    Bob Larson's "hectic schedule" simply doesn't permit him the time to
    invest in
    such drudgery. After all, skiing, golfing, jogging, mountain-climbing, and sporadic Bible studies demand major commitments of time and energy ...
    and, let
    us not forget that he has a young wife to attend to, and a multi-million
    dollar
    ministry to run. As the following memo indicates, he can't even be bothered with the mundane task of coming up with the ideas for "his" books:

    "TO: BOB
    FROM: BONNIE
    RE: DAILY ITEMS
    DATE: 7/20/92
    CC: MARGO, ANGELO, PAM
    __________

    9. TYNDALE BOOK SUGGESTIONS -- SIMPLY RESENDING SINCE I HAVEN'T
    HEARD FROM YOU YET.

    Per your instructions we met and discussed possible topics for
    a Tyndale book. Our favorite centers around Exorcism/Demons.
    This is the stuff your audience wants to hear from you about.
    We suggest the following:

    A. Draw from your past experiences in Haiti
    B. Adrian, Shirley, and other stories you have shared
    with us when you were on the road....

    As a side note we also came up with and idea of a book on
    blood. Kind of "The Blood of Christ vs. the blood of Satan."
    You could discuss how Satan has misrepresented the "Blood" and
    made a sacrilege of it. You could also cover:

    A. Vampirism
    B. Self-mutilation
    C. Animal Sacrifice
    D. Blood rituals
    E. Menstrual fascination."43

    Against this curious backdrop, one wouldn't have anticipated him to
    have even
    tried to write a novel. Yet, try it he did; unfortunately, as the following excerpts from one of the earliest drafts of Dead Air (then, entitled "Underground") shows, the flesh may have been willing, but the talent
    was weak:

    "The words of a small child may ring with more clarity and
    truth than the uncertain cacophony of many adult voices if we
    listen with our hearts.
    Wes Bryant should have known that years ago.
    Unfortunately, like many of us, he learned to hear what he
    wanted to hear. Only those utterances which enforced his
    prejudices or enhanced his predilections were heeded. Anything
    confronting his selfish ego or threatening his comfort zone in
    life was ignored. Wes thought he had life all figured out, or
    at least reduced to workable options. Until the day a child's
    voice softly shattered his insulated little world of unrequited
    dreams and compromised convictions."



    Can I talk to Mr. Wes?'

    Sure honey. How old are you and what's your name?'

    Jennifer. I'm nine.'

    What do you want to say to Mr. Bryant?'

    Well, it's kind of personal. I thought if I dialed this number I could
    talk to
    Mr. Wes'."44

    Rough drafts are precisely that; a certain measure of coarseness can be expected. But some of the passages were sheer literary atrocities:

    "The sight of the Windy City was blowing her way an ill zephyr
    of sobering truth no disbelief could escape....

    Manley Harris cocked his head sideways in a gesture that half
    wanted to pursue the subject further and press Wes about what
    he knew and half resigning himself to respecting the obvious
    sincerity of Wes's refusal to say what he might be able to
    reveal that would confirm his concerns."45

    As the months wore on, it became increasingly apparent that Larson's
    dreams of
    literary stardom were precisely that. Yet, where there is a will -- and, a staff of forty -- there is a way.
    A procession of Larson staffers were commissioned to work on his new endeavor,
    including Olson, Boespflug, and the current Mrs. Bob Larson, Laura Anderson. For instance, in an Aug. 18, 1992 memo to Bob, writ ten by International Broadcasting Network director Pam Koczman, it was acknowledged that
    "Laura A.'s
    time with the book is 50% and more until Dec."46

    As Lori Boespflug, World's star whistle-blower, confided to me many
    months
    ago, "Bob Larson can't write by himself."47 Muriel Olson, a former BLM copy editor with a lifetime of editing experience, seconded Boespflug's
    thought in a
    lawsuit, claiming that Larson was "an inadequate writer."48 And while
    Larson
    may, in some circles, be compared with Larry King, no one will ever
    mistake him
    for Stephen King.

    And Bob Larson knows it.

    It is not so much the fact that Larson does not, in any meaningful
    sense of
    the word, "write" his books which raises eyebrows; rather, it is the
    reckless
    abandon with which he uses sacrificially-given Ministry resources to
    subsidize
    his career as an author. As numerous court documents, former Larson
    employees,
    knowledgeable third parties (e.g., Larson's attorneys), and internal BLM
    memos
    attest, Ministry employees do the work -- while on the Ministry payroll.
    All
    Larson does is collect the royalties.

    The following letter, submitted to the Jefferson County (Colo.)
    District Court
    in connection with a recent lawsuit by former BLM employee Muriel Olson, further
    evidences Larson's misuse of Ministry resources:

    "June 20, 1990

    PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL

    Ms. Muriel Olson
    [address deleted]

    This will confirm our agreement regarding the work you have
    performed or will perform as an employee of Bob Larson Minis
    tries in connection with my novel involving Satanism.

    It is specifically understood that you expect no credit
    whatsoever in my novel as published or in any related or
    derivative work, but grant me the right without obligation,
    to use your name or likeness in credits or otherwise....

    Finally, you understand that you shall receive no additional
    compensation for your work in connection with my novel except
    payment for overtime work, specifically approved in advance by
    me."49

    As indicated in Olson's complaint, it wasn't much of an "agreement";
    Larson
    reportedly told her, in essence, that she had to sign that let ter ... or else.50 Larson won the lawsuit, on the ground that Olson's efforts were "within
    the scope of her employment."51 However, as both parties conceded in their briefs, Olson "was never an employee of Bob Larson personally."52 Yet, as a federal hearing officer determined in a related case, even though
    Olson's salary
    came from the Ministry, her only job was "to rewrite and edit chapters of a book" -- for the sole and exclusive benefit of Bob Larson.53 The
    thousands of
    hours she and others have spent writing works like Abaddon, Dead Air,
    Satanism:
    The Seduction of America's Youth, and Straight Answers on the New Age
    were paid
    for by faithful "Heroes," "Champions," and "Communicator Club" members.

    Thomas Nelson Publications, the world's foremost publisher of Christian materials, evidently was aware of Larson's literary shortcomings. As the following excerpts from this internal BLM memo indicate, Nelson
    management aided
    and abetted him in his efforts to pass himself off as a legitimate author:

    "TO: Bonnie
    RE: Thomas Nelson Meeting
    CC: Margo/Angelo
    DATE: 07/03 [1992]
    FROM: Bob Larson

    1. They have a work for hire contract they are sending me to

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Lil dwarf Rudey on Mon Oct 14 12:44:59 2024
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    Lil dwarf Rudey wrote:
    K Wills wrote:

    https://www.geocities.ws/defenderiam/
    Greetings!

    If you're reading this, it is probably because you are either
    searching for truth concerning the legitimacy of Bob Larson
    Ministries (and the "deliverance ministry" in general), or
    perhaps you hold a strong opinion one way or the other
    concerning Rev. Larson�s ministry. Whatever the case,
    Welcome!

    The following essay represents my personal opinions in
    defense of Bob Larson Ministries. I am NOT affiliated
    with Bob Larson Ministries. Additionally, I do not know
    Bob Larson personally, although I have attended his
    conference and witnessed his speaking and deliverance
    personally.

    I chose to create this page in hopes of offering some sort
    of defense from the many websites that now attack Bob
    Larson and his ministry. In particular, the parody site
    operated by one Ken Smith of Colorado called the �Bob
    Larson Fan Club�. This site is somewhat unavoidable for
    those seeking BLM�s (Bob Larson Ministries) real
    homepage by way of a search engine.

    It is because of my fear that fellow Christians may stumble across this
    (or some similar) website and come to think of the deliverance ministry
    as �fake�, I have decided that it is worthwhile to make a few points and present them here

    This page is intentionally short and right to the point. I don't have
    the time or the resources to create an exhaustive presentation. If you
    are not satisfied by my writings and would like to further discuss the
    matter, feel free to email me.

    So, right to it then:

    So, why do I not find what Ken Smith has to say very compelling?

    Well, in the first place:

    To my knowledge, Ken Smith does not know Bob Larson personally. Yet,
    somehow he manages to tell us the many, VERY personal, very immoral,
    things that Rev. Larson supposedly spends his time doing in the privacy
    of his home or hotel room. I would argue that these accusations of
    personal misconduct, even if they were true, shouldn�t be possible for
    Ken Smith (or anyone) to know any more than it should be possible for
    this writer to tell you, the reader, what you had for dinner last night.
    These allegations of Bob taking part in things like child molestation, satanism, and adultery are clearly fabricated for the purpose of slander.

    Additionally, from what I can gather on his website, Ken Smith does not
    work in law or law enforcement. He does not work for the IRS nor is he
    a Christian or minister of any persuasion (in fact, he is a deist). Yet
    he manages to carelessly hurl a number of serious legal and ethical
    accusations at B.L.M.--everything from illegal personal conduct, to
    federal tax fraud, to Bob Larson�s supposed crimes against the church. (Which is just a bizarre thing for someone who is not a Christian to
    propose in and of it�s self really.)

    Nevertheless, something should be said in the way of a defense.

    So, Why is Bob Larson not defending himself from these allegations?

    Well, I think I can understand why he doesn�t bother to respond to
    people like Ken Smith. Remember, Smith�s allegations aren�t coming from a police officer, IRS auditor, legal prosecutor, etc. My guess is
    that Bob Larson has better things to do than publicly refute fanatical accusations coming from some random critic who�s website has all the compelling rationale of an Alice Cooper concert!

    A side note before I get to some points: I must immediately suggest that
    Mr. Smith appears to be a deeply disturbed individual. By this, I do
    not mean that he is a man who is under some evil or demonic influence necessarily. What I am saying is that any person that takes time to
    read over his very morbid website, which includes little side jokes such
    as �How to cook Bob Larson� and papers which he proposes are Rev. Larson�s actual handwritten tax forms and personal diary, need not
    rule out the prospect that this man suffers from possible mental health
    issues to the likes of schizophrenia. In fact, as of when this essay
    was written, Mr. Smith�s website offered �witches�, �atheists�, and I suppose any other Larson haters personal
    directions to Rev. Larson�s Colorado home! If Bob Larson really is
    taking legal action towards Mr. Smith as Smith's website suggest, then I
    hope, for Rev. Larson�s sake, a restraining order is in the works!

    So, what of the allegations?

    I�m not going to touch on everything that Ken Smith has written, just
    the things that I feel are worthy of discussion.

    Concerning BLM finances: Perpetual going out of business sale?

    As far as I can tell, BLM does set goals and then push hard to get
    support. For example, a recent BLM email I received urgently pressed for financial support to build up more ministry teams. So, Yes, they are
    urgently asking for financial support, not at the threat of the
    ministry�s going under so much as the threat of not being able to
    obtain the goals they�ve set. This is ethically consistent with any well-run organization.

    Concerning Bob Larson�s pay: Ken Smith says Bob Larson is too wealthy.

    Right away I�ll say that I have no idea how much money Bob Larson
    makes. Frankly, It doesn�t even matter to me what his salary is as
    long as his ministry is really helping people (and it is). I suggest
    that Bob Larson could (and should) be fairly well-off considering he has written so many books which have sold so well. But still, I don�t
    know Rev. Larson�s salary and I would suggest that neither does Ken Smith.

    But doesn�t Ken Smith have tax forms that show Larson�s outrageous annual salary, and other forms that hint of tax fraud?

    Does it not seem strange that on his website, Mr. Smith just happens to
    have a copy of Bob Larson�s handwritten tax forms? I think this is
    truly laughable. I mean, does he really expect us to believe that Bob
    Larson scribbles up his own taxes with an ink pen, and then
    irresponsibly makes numerous copies of these personal forms, which
    somehow find their way in the hands of critics like Smith? C�mon!
    This is obviously a fake, fabricated by Ken Smith.

    In fact, If you just take the time to look at the scanned images of all
    of the �evidence� on Smith�s website, you immediately realize how
    all the forms, documents, and letters have sort of a �Hollywood� fabricated look to them. Many look like they were keyed up on some
    early 20th century typewriter while they all have the look of �top secret� documents in a James Bond film.

    To anyone who is honestly concerned with BLM�s finances: let�s not forget that we can rest assured. If Bob Larson, or anyone else here in
    the United States violates tax laws or steals from not-for-profit
    organizations then we have this amazing super power called the IRS.
    They put people who do these types of things in jail.

    Did Bob Larson really write the book �Dead Air�?

    Ken Smith says that a certain disgruntled former employee of Larson�s actually wrote this popular Larson novel.

    Well consider the following:

    I think the old adage �You write what you know� is helpful here. Although I haven�t read this book, I did find a helpful review on Amazon.com. Apparently the plot of this novel concerns a radio talk
    show host who helps a teen-age, female caller that is suffering from
    satanic abuse. Remind you of anybody? This is obviously Larson�s idea.

    Besides, Bob Larson himself admits that he received some help on this
    novel but the plot and story ideas were his. I see no reason to doubt
    him considering he has written well over twenty other books.

    Ken Smith says Bob Larson is an adulterer because he was divorced and re-married.

    I think this is a fairly ridiculous accusation really. Bob Larson is not perfect and ministers aren�t supposed to be perfect. There�s
    nothing to refute here at all really. Apparently, Bob was divorced and remarried. Is this a sin? Maybe. Does this mean Bob is not fit to be a minister today? No. (See Romans 7:15 quote below)

    Ken Smith says Bob Larson had a sexual affair and therefore shouldn�t
    be in the ministry.

    I don�t see any reason to believe this at all really. Ken Smith gives
    us a couple of reasons to think that Bob is a womanizer/adulterer and I don�t find them compelling.

    The first reason is that Ken Smith supposedly has read of infidelity in Larson�s own personal diary (which Smith apparently has in his possession).

    Why Ken Smith has Bob Larson�s diary in the first place is a great
    mystery to be explained in it�s self. It�s absurd really. But let�s give Smith the benefit of the doubt to make a point. If he does have Larson�s diary, that means we ARE necessarily expected to believe that Bob Larson:
    A. Keeps a diary in the first place, which in all honesty in not
    something that many men do.
    B. Writes incriminating information in this diary.
    C. Throws it in the trash the night that Ken Smith goes �dumpster diving�--rather than burning it of course.

    Ken Smith is obviously making this stuff up.

    The second reason is because Smith tells us that specific former
    employees have legal confidentiality agreements with BLM and this
    somehow proves that Larson is out to cover up his promiscuous tracks.

    My question is, how do we know that these confidentiality agreements
    (assuming they really exist in the first place) have ANYTHING to do with
    sex or anything personal for that matter. These agreements may be
    concerning how the ministry was run or any number of things. And because
    Bob Larson is something of a public figure, perhaps it is just
    commonplace for everyone he works with to sign a confidentiality agreement.

    Consider this: As a teenager, I worked in a fast food restaurant. While
    I was employed there I was given a memo that said in the event of a
    public incident (theft, fire, etc) I was REQUIRED not to talk with any
    person in the media or otherwise about the incident.
    Bob Larson may have similar agreements in place with his help.

    I think it�s obvious that Smith is just looking for any angle to
    accuse Bob Larson.

    Finally. I have a few suggestions for someone who would critique a
    minister that had committed some type sexual sin, (Though I see no
    reason to think Bob Larson has).

    Just because a minister sins:
    1. It doesn�t mean that this person is currently living that
    lifestyle, and
    2. I don�t think it necesarily means he is unfit to be a minister. For example, DURING his ministry Paul wrote:
    I don�t understand myself at all, for I really want to do what is
    right, but I don�t do it. Instead, I do the very thing that I hate.
    Romans 7:15

    This shows that even ministers aren�t perfect

    Ken Smith and other critics say that exorcisms are fake.

    There is so much to say about this topic that I would have to write an
    entirely new essay to address everything.

    Let me just say that exorcisms are Biblical and if you are a Christian
    that rejects the idea of demons, you are obviously picking and choosing
    what you want to believe.

    To those who proclaim that deliverance and exorcism are not real, I
    challenge you to prove it. It's not enough to just say "that must be fake".

    The way I see it, if the exorcisms performed by Bob Larson are fake,
    then there are only two possibilities:

    1. Bob Larson is staging his exorcisms with actors.

    2. There is some psychological reason why people "act out" as if demons
    are talking out of them.

    The problem with the theory that these exorcisms are staged is that Bob
    Larson has performed (atleast) hundreds of public exorcisms. What a
    ridiculous scheme it would be to hire hundreds of actors to fake such a
    thing! Many of them would be coming forward to tell all and cash in by exposing such a scheme to the network tv media! Yet no one has done
    such a thing.

    The problem with declaring exorcisms to be purely psychological
    manifestations is that you have to explain why in the world someone
    would "pretend" or act out as if there is a demon inside them. You have
    to describe what anthropological or psychological need would cause not
    just one person, but thousands of people to speak in bizzare voices and
    scream and yell at the specific mention of the name of Jesus. I don't
    see any other explanation except that it is real.

    Let me finish by saying that I believe that Bob Larson is a legitimate minister.

    Is he a bit eccentric? Most definitely. Bob Larson is not your average minister, but he is helping people overcome demonic strongholds in their
    life.

    I would urge you to go to one of Bob Larson's conferences and see for
    yourself that deliverance is real.

    If you are questioning the reality of God, demons, and exorcisms, I
    would suggest that you to pray and ask for guidance and understanding.
    Also, open up your Bible and read!



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