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On 2025/8/18 14:10:23, Daniel70 wrote:

On 18/08/2025 10:02 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2025/8/18 12:41:31, Daniel70 wrote:

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In Australia, it used to be if you got your Drivers Licence in an
Automatic car, you were licenced to drive an Automatic ONLY.

That's how it is here (UK). If you pass on a manual (US: stick shift),
you're allowed to drive manuals _and_ automatics.>

You were not licenced to drive a Manual car until you had a number of
years driving experience. Your initial (Probationary) Licence was for
three years (I think), so it may have been once you got your Full
Licence you were allowed to drive a Manual.

I'm pretty sure we here have no such timeout - if you passed on an
automatic, you can only drive automatics - period, as the Americans
would say.

I don't think we have anything called "initial" or

"probationary" (though we frequently get suggestions that new drivers
_ought_ to be restricted in some way for a while, such as limits on
passengers below a certain age - but nothing's happened there yet). We
do have "privisional", which is for learning, but you have to have
someone with a full licence in the car with you.

"Learners" 'L' Plates displayed. One learner and one fully qualified
driver *ONLY* in the car ... no passengers.

That lasts a year I
think - though I think can be renewed, how many times I'm not sure.
(Maximum three years total maybe?)

"Probationary" 'P' plates displayed. Zero Alcohol .... and I think there might be a passenger number limit as well.

Just to clarify - you're talking about .au there. In UK, the only officially-recognised markings are the L plates though you can _get_ P
plates; L plates are for a learner driver (and I'm pretty sure _must_ be displayed), who will have a "provisional" licence and must be
accompanied by a full licence-holder (though I think _can_ have
passengers). We don't - yet - have a "newly-passed" classification,
though there are urgings that we should, with limits on passenger below
(e. g.) 18 or 21 or ... (to discourage "urging" and/or distraction);
tighter alcohol limits have also been suggested.

Our "provisional" - learner, _not_ probationary - licence lasts a year I
think; as I said, I think it can be renewed, but possibly not indefinitely.
--
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We're done for the night. I'm off for a cup of tea and some crystal meth.
Only joking. I've had quite enough tea for one day.
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On 18/08/2025 11:34 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2025/8/18 14:10:23, Daniel70 wrote:

On 18/08/2025 10:02 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2025/8/18 12:41:31, Daniel70 wrote:

[]

In Australia, it used to be if you got your Drivers Licence in an
Automatic car, you were licenced to drive an Automatic ONLY.

That's how it is here (UK). If you pass on a manual (US: stick shift),
you're allowed to drive manuals _and_ automatics.>

You were not licenced to drive a Manual car until you had a number of
years driving experience. Your initial (Probationary) Licence was for
three years (I think), so it may have been once you got your Full
Licence you were allowed to drive a Manual.

I'm pretty sure we here have no such timeout - if you passed on an
automatic, you can only drive automatics - period, as the Americans
would say.

I don't think we have anything called "initial" or

"probationary" (though we frequently get suggestions that new drivers
_ought_ to be restricted in some way for a while, such as limits on
passengers below a certain age - but nothing's happened there yet). We
do have "privisional", which is for learning, but you have to have
someone with a full licence in the car with you.

"Learners" 'L' Plates displayed. One learner and one fully qualified
driver *ONLY* in the car ... no passengers.

That lasts a year I
think - though I think can be renewed, how many times I'm not sure.
(Maximum three years total maybe?)

"Probationary" 'P' plates displayed. Zero Alcohol .... and I think there
might be a passenger number limit as well.

Just to clarify - you're talking about .au there. In UK, the only officially-recognised markings are the L plates though you can _get_ P plates; L plates are for a learner driver (and I'm pretty sure _must_ be displayed), who will have a "provisional" licence and must be
accompanied by a full licence-holder (though I think _can_ have
passengers). We don't - yet - have a "newly-passed" classification,
though there are urgings that we should, with limits on passenger below
(e. g.) 18 or 21 or ... (to discourage "urging" and/or distraction);
tighter alcohol limits have also been suggested.

Our "provisional" - learner, _not_ probationary - licence lasts a year I think; as I said, I think it can be renewed, but possibly not indefinitely.

And talking about STUPIDITY!! ..... When I got my Probationary Licence
(so allowed to drive by myself), Probationary Drivers HAD to display a
'P' plate, front and rear of car, AND HAD AN 80KM/H (50MPH) MAXIMUM
SPEED LIMIT.

At one stage I was driving (at 80km/h) on a major, but single lane each
way, thoroughfare .... so had a growing line of vehicles behind me. So,
rather than causing the other drivers getting frustrated and, maybe,
trying dangerous overtaking maneuvers, I sped up to the "Open"
speed-limit of 100km/h .... and, sure enough, the third or fourth car
behind me was an unmarked Cop car!! I didn't hold that Licence long!
--
Daniel70

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 00:38:46 +1000, Daniel70
<[email protected]aceelse> wrote:

At one stage I was driving (at 80km/h) on a major, but single lane each
way, thoroughfare .... so had a growing line of vehicles behind me. So, >rather than causing the other drivers getting frustrated and, maybe,
trying dangerous overtaking maneuvers, I sped up to the "Open"
speed-limit of 100km/h .... and, sure enough, the third or fourth car
behind me was an unmarked Cop car!! I didn't hold that Licence long!

I think more than a few have been caught out by bothering about what
was going on behind them. Around 20 years ago someone I knew, now
deceased, was caught going through red traffic lights. His excuse,
that he thought the car behind him might noot stop, didn't wash.

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