I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
Starting Today Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update <https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/07/24/starting-today-microsoft-confirms-free-windows-update/>Without digging, it seems you either give up Reward points or subscribe to Onedrive. Maybe
<https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/07/22/windows-11-is-the-home-for-ai-on-the-pc-with-even-more-experiences-available-today/>
"The Windows 10 Extended Security Updates (ESU) program is designed to keep your current Windows 10 PC protected after support ends - helping you stay secure during the transition." <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/06/24/stay-secure-with-windows-11-copilot-pcs-and-windows-365-before-support-ends-for-windows-10/>
"Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard through notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best option
for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."
I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
On 2025/7/25 15:29:21, Alan K. wrote:maybe some years down the line, M$ would be able to kill off - stop working altogether - any 10 machine still online. Thoughts? (Including can it be blocked if I'm right.)
On 7/25/25 7:31 AM, Marion wrote:
[]
"Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard through >>> notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best option >>> for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."
Should that have been "the best option ... TO enrol" rather than AND? (It might _just about_ be grasmmatical with "and", but it would certainly read/flow better with "to". Unless there's a deliberate reason they used "and".)>>
As with XP and 7, I have no intention of worrying about the cessation of "support" (I don't feel "supported" anyway). But of course unlike previous versions, AIUI "updates" in 10 can't be turned off, which implies - to me, anyway - the possibility that,I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...Without digging, it seems you either give up Reward points or subscribe to Onedrive. Maybe even buy the larger Onedrive.
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
On 7/25/25 7:31 AM, Marion wrote:
"Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard
through
notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best option
for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."
I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...Without digging, it seems you either give up Reward points or subscribe
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
to Onedrive. Maybe even buy the larger Onedrive.
On 2025/7/25 15:29:21, Alan K. wrote:
On 7/25/25 7:31 AM, Marion wrote:
[]
"Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard
through
notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best
option
for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."
Should that have been "the best option ... TO enrol" rather than AND?
(It might _just about_ be grasmmatical with "and", but it would
certainly read/flow better with "to". Unless there's a deliberate reason
they used "and".)>>
As with XP and 7, I have no intention of worrying about the cessation of "support" (I don't feel "supported" anyway). But of course unlikeI only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...Without digging, it seems you either give up Reward points or
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
subscribe to Onedrive. Maybe even buy the larger Onedrive.
previous versions, AIUI "updates" in 10 can't be turned off, which
implies - to me, anyway - the possibility that, maybe some years down
the line, M$ would be able to kill off - stop working altogether - any
10 machine still online. Thoughts? (Including can it be blocked if I'm right.)
Using <news:105vpu0$fgl$[email protected]>, Marion wrote:
I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-some-users-but-there-is-a-catch/
I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:38:23 -0000 (UTC),
Finnigan <[email protected]> wrote:
Using<news:105vpu0$fgl$[email protected]>, Marion wrote:
I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-so
me-users-but-there-is-a-catch/
I have 300 points out of 1000 needed. I have no idea where I got them
or how to get more. Seems to me the $7 of skype money I'll never be
able to use ought to be worth more than 700 points.
And Teams is in no way a substitute for Skype. YOu can only communicate
with other people on Teams, and with Skype you could call any phone
number in the world. I think "Teams" refers to development teams,
people paid to work on the same project. How do they even have the
nerve to call Teams a subsitute for Skype?
On Sat, 7/26/2025 1:59 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I'm hoping that MS will soon realise this, not want the blame laying on their heads, and do a full u-turn.
I could happen. Watch this space.
Ed
I hear they're working on a Talky Toaster project.
It will Recall what previous slices of toast looked like.
I'm hoping that MS will soon realise this, not want the blame laying on their heads, and do a full u-turn.
I could happen. Watch this space.
Ed
On Sat, 7/26/2025 1:59 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I'm hoping that MS will soon realise this, not want the blame laying on their heads, and do a full u-turn.
I could happen. Watch this space.
Ed
I hear they're working on a Talky Toaster project.
It will Recall what previous slices of toast looked like.
Paul
On Jul 26, 2025, micky wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:38:23 -0000 (UTC),
Finnigan <[email protected]> wrote:
Using<news:105vpu0$fgl$[email protected]>, Marion wrote: >> >
I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-so
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us. >> >
me-users-but-there-is-a-catch/
I have 300 points out of 1000 needed. I have no idea where I got them
or how to get more. Seems to me the $7 of skype money I'll never be
able to use ought to be worth more than 700 points.
And Teams is in no way a substitute for Skype. YOu can only communicate
with other people on Teams, and with Skype you could call any phone
number in the world. I think "Teams" refers to development teams,
people paid to work on the same project. How do they even have the
nerve to call Teams a subsitute for Skype?
Microsoft has �Teams Calling Plans�. >https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/calling-plans-for-office-365
For a low-low-low fee you can connect Teams to the public telephone net, and >call people �outside of your orginization�. Note that there are different >�Teams Calling Plans� for local, long-distance, and internataional calls.
I suspect that they won�t be cheap. I suspect that I will never know, as I >will never use one of them.
Starting Today Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update <https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/07/24/starting-today-microsoft-confirms-free-windows-update/>
<https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/07/22/windows-11-is-the-home-for-ai-on-the-pc-with-even-more-experiences-available-today/>
"The Windows 10 Extended Security Updates (ESU) program is designed to keep your current Windows 10 PC protected after support ends - helping you stay secure during the transition." <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/06/24/stay-secure-with-windows-11-copilot-pcs-and-windows-365-before-support-ends-for-windows-10/>
"Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard through notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best option
for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."
I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should
cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
As with XP and 7, I have no intention of worrying about the cessation of
"support" (I don't feel "supported" anyway). But of course unlike
previous versions, AIUI "updates" in 10 can't be turned off, which
implies - to me, anyway - the possibility that, maybe some years down
the line, M$ would be able to kill off - stop working altogether - any
10 machine still online. Thoughts? (Including can it be blocked if I'm
right.)
Keep in mind, ESU for corporate Win10 is available for 3 yrs(2025, 2026,
2027 purchase, support ending in Oct 2028). ESU for consumer editions
last 1 yr(2025, support ending in 2026)
Thus, any direction towards 'stop working' is quite a bit down the road
even for consumer.
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 11:09:31 -0400, Paul <[email protected]d>
wrote:
There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should
cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.
I have already been warned that Zoom will no longer be supporting
32-bit Windows from December 2025.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 16:36:01 -0400, WolfFan <[email protected]> wrote:
On Jul 26, 2025, micky wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:38:23 -0000 (UTC), Finnigan <[email protected]> wrote:
Using<news:105vpu0$fgl$[email protected]>, Marion wrote:
I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-
so
me-users-but-there-is-a-catch/
I have 300 points out of 1000 needed. I have no idea where I got them
or how to get more. Seems to me the $7 of skype money I'll never be
able to use ought to be worth more than 700 points.
And Teams is in no way a substitute for Skype. YOu can only communicate with other people on Teams, and with Skype you could call any phone number in the world. I think "Teams" refers to development teams,
people paid to work on the same project. How do they even have the
nerve to call Teams a subsitute for Skype?
Microsoft has ’Teams Calling Plans’. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/calling-plans-for-office-36
5
For a low-low-low fee you can connect Teams to the public telephone net, and
call people ‘outside of your orginization’. Note that there are different
‘Teams Calling Plans’ for local, long-distance, and internataional calls.
I suspect that they won’t be cheap. I suspect that I will never know, as I
will never use one of them.
Wow. I read the whole thing when I first learned about Teams and I
don't think it mentioned calling public phone net at all. I reinstalled
the app and was reminded that my contact list contained and still
contains 5 names, 3 of whom I've never heard of, Lionel Thomson, Sam
Finch, and Harper. 1 I knew and 1 is only initials and I'm not sure of.
Then I went to my 9 chat requests and they are all spam, since
Decemeber. Crap about options trading. Or gold trading. That sounds
better, sure.
Then I looked up transferring Skype money to Teams money and one cannot
do that. He has to use the Skype Dialer within the Teams app.
There is an entry for the "Skype dialer". Oops, it looks like something
went wrong. Click OK to automatically relaod Skype for web. Over and
over. Not looking good, but I'll try again later. .
As to the price, for international calling, the only time I'd ever need
it since both my home and cell phoen will call all over the USA, Mexico
and Canada too,I think, is 34/month paid yearly. $408. Not cheap.
Especially since my Verizopn landline will let me call anywhere for no
more than 20 cents a minute, and my cell Mint mobile has so far let me
make 4 or 5 international calls without ever charging me. They are not
in my plan, and only total about 25 cents, but I'm sill impressed that
they know how to do business. Don't nickel and dime customer and they'll
be your customers for life. The country I call most often is 1 cent a
minute for landlines and 10 cents for mobile, so I won't be spending 408 dollars. I just want to spend the $7 I already paid them. We shall
see. Thanks.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 27 Jul 2025 04:18:54 +0200, Steve
Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 11:09:31 -0400, Paul <[email protected]d>
wrote:
There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should >>>cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.
I have already been warned that Zoom will no longer be supporting
32-bit Windows from December 2025.
But doesn't that just mean if it breaks they won't fix it, or if you
complain they won't talk to you, not that it won't work.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 27 Jul 2025 04:18:54 +0200, Steve
Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 11:09:31 -0400, Paul <[email protected]d>
wrote:
There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should
cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.
I have already been warned that Zoom will no longer be supporting
32-bit Windows from December 2025.
But doesn't that just mean if it breaks they won't fix it, or if you
complain they won't talk to you, not that it won't work.
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