• Dialog font size

    From Jason@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 21 17:56:26 2025
    When I use an app, say good old Everything, the file
    listing font size is just fine. What is not fine, is the
    font used in the box where I type the search argument. It
    is -minute- on a hi-res screen. It is almost unreadbly
    small.

    I can't find a setting for the size anywhere. There must
    be one. ?

    Thanks.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Jason on Mon Jul 21 19:07:49 2025
    On Mon, 7/21/2025 5:56 PM, Jason wrote:
    When I use an app, say good old Everything, the file
    listing font size is just fine. What is not fine, is the
    font used in the box where I type the search argument. It
    is -minute- on a hi-res screen. It is almost unreadbly
    small.

    I can't find a setting for the size anywhere. There must
    be one. ?

    Thanks.


    There is a claim of a .ini file provided size setting.
    So it's not in the registry, not in the GUI, in a file somewhere.
    Someone is going to have to verify such a thing really exists.

    https://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12955

    My previous small monitor stopped responding to input,
    and I've got one of these screen slabs as well. And
    there are a few comedic elements to the experience.
    I was using the Control Panels : Date and Time and
    the watch face is nice and small. I use my magnifying
    glass, when setting my wrist watch :-) Using the
    Window scaling, does nothing for legacy Win32 stuff.

    I would have bought a 32", but all the shop had for stock,
    was stock of one 27" slab model. And that's what I'm driving
    right now.

    I still have to make my computer table wider. The wood is
    cut, I just have to climb under the table and add the
    extension :-) I don't know why I'm putting that off :-)

    Paul

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Jul 21 18:49:03 2025
    Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Jason wrote:

    When I use an app, say good old Everything, the file
    listing font size is just fine. What is not fine, is the
    font used in the box where I type the search argument. It
    is -minute- on a hi-res screen. It is almost unreadbly
    small.

    There is a claim of a .ini file provided size setting.
    So it's not in the registry, not in the GUI, in a file somewhere.

    C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.ini

    It is a text file. Nothing in mine is about fonts or sizing. More info
    here:

    https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/ini/

    There are search_edit_font* settings listed there, but it is unclear if
    the problem is with the font and size inside the search box element, or
    if the search element itself is too small.

    Note that I configured my Windows display for 150 DPI, not the standard
    96 DPI. The higher the resolution of the screen, the smaller the text
    becomes. Same number of pixels for a character, but a higher resolution
    screen shows the same number of pixels in a smaller space. Upping the
    DPI makes the text bigger.

    However, that has no effect on elements within a GUI screen, like text
    within listboxes or text on buttons. In fact, if you up the DPI of the
    screen, a non-DPI aware program will paint larger characters that
    probably won't fit inside the element, so you end up with truncated text
    at the end or bottom of the GUI element.

    I've not had to use DPI compatibility modes with voidtools' Everything,
    so I suspect it is a DPI-aware program. The OP could try the
    search_edit_font* settings in Everything.ini, but the result could be
    truncated text if the search element itself doesn't enlarge to
    accommodate larger fonts.

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  • From Jason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 23 16:41:13 2025
    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...

    Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Jason wrote:

    When I use an app, say good old Everything, the file
    listing font size is just fine. What is not fine, is the
    font used in the box where I type the search argument. It
    is -minute- on a hi-res screen. It is almost unreadbly
    small.

    There is a claim of a .ini file provided size setting.
    So it's not in the registry, not in the GUI, in a file somewhere.

    C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.ini

    It is a text file. Nothing in mine is about fonts or sizing. More info here:

    https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/ini/

    There are search_edit_font* settings listed there, but it is unclear if
    the problem is with the font and size inside the search box element, or
    if the search element itself is too small.

    Note that I configured my Windows display for 150 DPI, not the standard
    96 DPI. The higher the resolution of the screen, the smaller the text becomes. Same number of pixels for a character, but a higher resolution screen shows the same number of pixels in a smaller space. Upping the
    DPI makes the text bigger.

    However, that has no effect on elements within a GUI screen, like text
    within listboxes or text on buttons. In fact, if you up the DPI of the screen, a non-DPI aware program will paint larger characters that
    probably won't fit inside the element, so you end up with truncated text
    at the end or bottom of the GUI element.

    I've not had to use DPI compatibility modes with voidtools' Everything,
    so I suspect it is a DPI-aware program. The OP could try the search_edit_font* settings in Everything.ini, but the result could be truncated text if the search element itself doesn't enlarge to
    accommodate larger fonts.

    The problem isn't limited to Everything. It happens with
    all dialogs...

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Jason on Wed Jul 23 19:31:43 2025
    On Wed, 7/23/2025 4:41 PM, Jason wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...

    C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.ini

    It is a text file. Nothing in mine is about fonts or sizing. More info
    here:

    https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/ini/

    There are search_edit_font* settings listed there, but it is unclear if
    the problem is with the font and size inside the search box element, or
    if the search element itself is too small.

    Note that I configured my Windows display for 150 DPI, not the standard
    96 DPI. The higher the resolution of the screen, the smaller the text
    becomes. Same number of pixels for a character, but a higher resolution
    screen shows the same number of pixels in a smaller space. Upping the
    DPI makes the text bigger.

    However, that has no effect on elements within a GUI screen, like text
    within listboxes or text on buttons. In fact, if you up the DPI of the
    screen, a non-DPI aware program will paint larger characters that
    probably won't fit inside the element, so you end up with truncated text
    at the end or bottom of the GUI element.

    I've not had to use DPI compatibility modes with voidtools' Everything,
    so I suspect it is a DPI-aware program. The OP could try the
    search_edit_font* settings in Everything.ini, but the result could be
    truncated text if the search element itself doesn't enlarge to
    accommodate larger fonts.

    The problem isn't limited to Everything. It happens with
    all dialogs...


    I seem to have done my changes in

    Settings : System : Display

    Scale 200%
    Display resolution 3840x2160 [27" slab, too small for 4K]
    display orientation Landscape

    The icons on the desktop, the font for that is a bit small.

    In Advanced Display (not really all that Advanced)

    KG272K L <=== Acer monitor model number
    Bit Depth 8 bit
    ...
    Refresh 60 Hz (business monitor, not gamer monitor)

    The odd thing has had a HiDPI setting, which can help or hinder.
    In VirtualBox, setting the display properties on individual VMs
    to 200% or something, may have fixed those. It was a tiny curse
    at first.

    Usually, it is a matter of farting around and finding
    "all the places with display settings" and then deciding
    "which of those isn't the setting you want" :-)

    A legacy Win32 App, likely has no thought of HiDPI in it.

    My computer table mod is roughed in. But still needs a bit
    more work. Right now, I'm taking a break from driving
    screws in the thing, as I broke the Robertson bit in
    my socket set :-) But for this moment at least, my table
    is temporarily 8 inches wider than it was. Needs a bit more
    sawing.

    Paul

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Jul 23 19:08:46 2025
    Paul wrote on 7/23/2025 6:31 PM:
    On Wed, 7/23/2025 4:41 PM, Jason wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...

    C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.ini

    It is a text file. Nothing in mine is about fonts or sizing. More info >>> here:

    https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/ini/

    There are search_edit_font* settings listed there, but it is unclear if
    the problem is with the font and size inside the search box element, or
    if the search element itself is too small.

    Note that I configured my Windows display for 150 DPI, not the standard
    96 DPI. The higher the resolution of the screen, the smaller the text
    becomes. Same number of pixels for a character, but a higher resolution >>> screen shows the same number of pixels in a smaller space. Upping the
    DPI makes the text bigger.

    However, that has no effect on elements within a GUI screen, like text
    within listboxes or text on buttons. In fact, if you up the DPI of the
    screen, a non-DPI aware program will paint larger characters that
    probably won't fit inside the element, so you end up with truncated text >>> at the end or bottom of the GUI element.

    I've not had to use DPI compatibility modes with voidtools' Everything,
    so I suspect it is a DPI-aware program. The OP could try the
    search_edit_font* settings in Everything.ini, but the result could be
    truncated text if the search element itself doesn't enlarge to
    accommodate larger fonts.

    The problem isn't limited to Everything. It happens with
    all dialogs...


    I seem to have done my changes in

    Settings : System : Display

    Scale 200%
    Display resolution 3840x2160 [27" slab, too small for 4K]
    display orientation Landscape

    The icons on the desktop, the font for that is a bit small.

    In Advanced Display (not really all that Advanced)

    KG272K L <=== Acer monitor model number
    Bit Depth 8 bit
    ...
    Refresh 60 Hz (business monitor, not gamer monitor)

    The odd thing has had a HiDPI setting, which can help or hinder.
    In VirtualBox, setting the display properties on individual VMs
    to 200% or something, may have fixed those. It was a tiny curse
    at first.

    Usually, it is a matter of farting around and finding
    "all the places with display settings" and then deciding
    "which of those isn't the setting you want" :-)

    A legacy Win32 App, likely has no thought of HiDPI in it.

    My computer table mod is roughed in. But still needs a bit
    more work. Right now, I'm taking a break from driving
    screws in the thing, as I broke the Robertson bit in
    my socket set :-) But for this moment at least, my table
    is temporarily 8 inches wider than it was. Needs a bit more
    sawing.

    Paul

    Sounds like a complicated project, so may take you a while. I wonder if
    home depot or similar stores may have the special robertson
    screwdrivers, so you won't have to special order them?

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Jason on Wed Jul 23 20:54:29 2025
    Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...

    Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Jason wrote:

    When I use an app, say good old Everything, the file
    listing font size is just fine. What is not fine, is the
    font used in the box where I type the search argument. It
    is -minute- on a hi-res screen. It is almost unreadbly
    small.

    There is a claim of a .ini file provided size setting.
    So it's not in the registry, not in the GUI, in a file somewhere.

    C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.ini

    It is a text file. Nothing in mine is about fonts or sizing. More info
    here:

    https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/ini/

    There are search_edit_font* settings listed there, but it is unclear if
    the problem is with the font and size inside the search box element, or
    if the search element itself is too small.

    Note that I configured my Windows display for 150 DPI, not the standard
    96 DPI. The higher the resolution of the screen, the smaller the text
    becomes. Same number of pixels for a character, but a higher resolution
    screen shows the same number of pixels in a smaller space. Upping the
    DPI makes the text bigger.

    However, that has no effect on elements within a GUI screen, like text
    within listboxes or text on buttons. In fact, if you up the DPI of the
    screen, a non-DPI aware program will paint larger characters that
    probably won't fit inside the element, so you end up with truncated text
    at the end or bottom of the GUI element.

    I've not had to use DPI compatibility modes with voidtools' Everything,
    so I suspect it is a DPI-aware program. The OP could try the
    search_edit_font* settings in Everything.ini, but the result could be
    truncated text if the search element itself doesn't enlarge to
    accommodate larger fonts.

    The problem isn't limited to Everything. It happens with
    all dialogs...

    It seems the issue is with too-small display of fonts everywhere. In
    that case, up the DPI setting from the default of 96 (100%) to 150
    (125%) which will make all text look bigger (due to the sizing issue
    already mentioned with monitors as resolution goes up). However, for
    non-DPI aware programs, the GUI elements don't enlarge, so the larger
    text may not fit inside them, like listboxes, button labels, or input
    fields. There are DPI compatibility settings you can try in a shortcut
    to a non-DPI aware program.

    I use 150 DPI, and Everything has no problem displaying text within its
    GUI elements, so it appears Everything is DPI aware.

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  • From Jason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 23 22:46:08 2025
    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...

    Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Jason wrote:

    When I use an app, say good old Everything, the file
    listing font size is just fine. What is not fine, is the
    font used in the box where I type the search argument. It
    is -minute- on a hi-res screen. It is almost unreadbly
    small.

    There is a claim of a .ini file provided size setting.
    So it's not in the registry, not in the GUI, in a file somewhere.

    C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.ini

    ....

    I think I picked an inappropriate example, Everything.

    I am seeing what I asked about -everywhere- including
    Windows builtin programs.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Jul 23 22:34:36 2025
    On Wed, 7/23/2025 8:08 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:


    Sounds like a complicated project, so may take you a while. 
    I wonder if home depot or similar stores may have the
    special robertson screwdrivers, so you won't have to > special order them?

    It's a socket set from a certain store. I checked the back of the
    caddy with the socket bits in it, and it says "guaranteed forever".
    Which means I go up there, give them the bit, and they give me
    a chinese one in return :-)

    In Canada, Robertson heads (square thing) are popular. Philips
    head (point cross-thing) those ream out the screw heads easier.
    The square drive is quite a bit better. And there are various
    variants, like the square drive is shaped on the sides (sculpted)
    so it gives a snug fit to the head. That's the surprising part,
    it this wasn't a ream-out failure, this was a Robertson
    fitted snugly into a stainless screw, and the head of the bit
    snapped off.

    I don't think I've ever seen one of those snap. And I've put some
    of them through living hell, they get worn a bit, but they don't snap.

    These are three inch, stainless steel screws, that cost $0.78 each.
    They thread is deeper than the average wood screw. I always
    drill pilots for stuff like this. But no question it was taking
    quite a bit of drive from the ratchet. It takes about fifty ratchet
    actions to drive one of those, and that was the eighth and final
    screw. And it snapped on the last twist :-) So the job got done
    and then it snapped. Very nice.

    That's why I mentioned in the other post, I don't look forward
    to doing these. But I wasn't expecting that to happen.

    And the reason I bought the stainless screws, is I had a pack of
    regular steel wood screws that I used to build a keyboard tray
    from scrap lumber. And those, you could barely get them tight,
    before the soft Philips head would start to tear out. Dreadfully
    bad steel screws. So I said "fine, next project, we go with
    the stainless". And the screwdriver has the heart failure instead.

    Paul

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Jul 23 22:04:20 2025
    Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Wed, 7/23/2025 8:08 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:


    Sounds like a complicated project, so may take you a while.�
    I wonder if home depot or similar stores may have the
    special robertson screwdrivers, so you won't have to > special order them?

    It's a socket set from a certain store. I checked the back of the
    caddy with the socket bits in it, and it says "guaranteed forever".
    Which means I go up there, give them the bit, and they give me
    a chinese one in return :-)

    In Canada, Robertson heads (square thing) are popular. Philips
    head (point cross-thing) those ream out the screw heads easier.
    The square drive is quite a bit better. And there are various
    variants, like the square drive is shaped on the sides (sculpted)
    so it gives a snug fit to the head. That's the surprising part,
    it this wasn't a ream-out failure, this was a Robertson
    fitted snugly into a stainless screw, and the head of the bit
    snapped off.

    I don't think I've ever seen one of those snap. And I've put some
    of them through living hell, they get worn a bit, but they don't snap.

    These are three inch, stainless steel screws, that cost $0.78 each.
    They thread is deeper than the average wood screw. I always
    drill pilots for stuff like this. But no question it was taking
    quite a bit of drive from the ratchet. It takes about fifty ratchet
    actions to drive one of those, and that was the eighth and final
    screw. And it snapped on the last twist :-) So the job got done
    and then it snapped. Very nice.

    That's why I mentioned in the other post, I don't look forward
    to doing these. But I wasn't expecting that to happen.

    And the reason I bought the stainless screws, is I had a pack of
    regular steel wood screws that I used to build a keyboard tray
    from scrap lumber. And those, you could barely get them tight,
    before the soft Philips head would start to tear out. Dreadfully
    bad steel screws. So I said "fine, next project, we go with
    the stainless". And the screwdriver has the heart failure instead.

    Paul

    If you're talking about square bits, those are common here in the US.
    Can buy those in any hardware store. Don't require as much pressure as Phillips heads that tend to have the bit work out or bounce off the
    screw. With long Phillips screws, often you need 2 hands on the drill
    to push the bit hard into the screw. With square bits, 1 hand will do.
    An impact driver works better for long screws than a regular drill. In
    fact, when removing a long screw with impact driver, the screw may be
    too hot to hold from the short-term high-friction removal. Have used
    square bit deck screws and impact drivers to build small decks and
    ramps, and putting in new-construction windows (these have a flang along
    the sides, mounted before siding install). The square bits also work at
    a bigger off-center angle than do Phillips.

    https://www.menards.com/main/tools/power-tool-accessories/drive-bits-accessories/performax-reg-2-square-power-drive-bit-set-3-piece/c044063/p-1444444255003-c-10156.htm

    Never heard them called Robertson bits, just square head bits. I'm in
    the US. Maybe Robertson is Canadian lingo. They're also called Power
    [Drive] bits, but everyone in the hardware store knows what you mean
    when you say square head bit.

    When you buy a bit set, you get Phillips, flat, square, posi, torx,
    security torx (hollow center), and a slew of specialty bits.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/XtremepowerUS-1-4-in-Impact-Duty-Steel-Screwdriver-Driving-Bit-Set-148-Piece-33808/320142719

    With a deck+ramp project, or lots of window replacements, the square
    bits will wear, so they don't have as much grip. After lots of use, you
    need to buy new once. Since Phillips often strip out a screw head, or
    bounce out to wear off the edges of the tip, they need to get replaced
    more often.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Wed Jul 23 22:50:31 2025
    On Wed, 7/23/2025 9:54 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
    Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...

    Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Jason wrote:

    When I use an app, say good old Everything, the file
    listing font size is just fine. What is not fine, is the
    font used in the box where I type the search argument. It
    is -minute- on a hi-res screen. It is almost unreadbly
    small.

    There is a claim of a .ini file provided size setting.
    So it's not in the registry, not in the GUI, in a file somewhere.

    C:\Program Files\Everything\Everything.ini

    It is a text file. Nothing in mine is about fonts or sizing. More info >>> here:

    https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/ini/

    There are search_edit_font* settings listed there, but it is unclear if
    the problem is with the font and size inside the search box element, or
    if the search element itself is too small.

    Note that I configured my Windows display for 150 DPI, not the standard
    96 DPI. The higher the resolution of the screen, the smaller the text
    becomes. Same number of pixels for a character, but a higher resolution >>> screen shows the same number of pixels in a smaller space. Upping the
    DPI makes the text bigger.

    However, that has no effect on elements within a GUI screen, like text
    within listboxes or text on buttons. In fact, if you up the DPI of the
    screen, a non-DPI aware program will paint larger characters that
    probably won't fit inside the element, so you end up with truncated text >>> at the end or bottom of the GUI element.

    I've not had to use DPI compatibility modes with voidtools' Everything,
    so I suspect it is a DPI-aware program. The OP could try the
    search_edit_font* settings in Everything.ini, but the result could be
    truncated text if the search element itself doesn't enlarge to
    accommodate larger fonts.

    The problem isn't limited to Everything. It happens with
    all dialogs...

    It seems the issue is with too-small display of fonts everywhere. In
    that case, up the DPI setting from the default of 96 (100%) to 150
    (125%) which will make all text look bigger (due to the sizing issue
    already mentioned with monitors as resolution goes up). However, for
    non-DPI aware programs, the GUI elements don't enlarge, so the larger
    text may not fit inside them, like listboxes, button labels, or input
    fields. There are DPI compatibility settings you can try in a shortcut
    to a non-DPI aware program.

    I use 150 DPI, and Everything has no problem displaying text within its
    GUI elements, so it appears Everything is DPI aware.


    What physical size and what X*Y pixels are you using on yours ?

    Mine is one of those 27" 3840x2160 which is "too small for 4K", which
    is why mine is set at 200%. Maybe a 32" 4K, would work better at
    a different scale value than that.

    I was just surprised the computer store had 1920x1080 (lots of those), 2560x1600 (a couple gamers) and 3840x2160 (27" and 32" but no 32" in stock). All I really wanted was another 1440x900, but there was nothing like that
    in the several stored I checked.

    And of course, I got to see an OLED one that was only... $2000. OK.
    I bet they sell quite a few of those.

    One other tiny note. One store has demo monitors running, with an advertising page showing on the unit with the resolution, size, and so on.

    A second store in the chain, the guy says "our monitors are over by the wall". The aisle in that case, has no electrical power at all routed along the wall (how can a computer store, not have power in every aisle???). I think my jaw dropped.
    All the monitors are off. There are no real placards with the specs next
    to each monitor. How are they going to sell those monitors ? You can't tell what you're looking at, when all the monitors are basically the same external color, and you don't know exactly what each one is.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Jason on Thu Jul 24 01:06:30 2025
    On Wed, 7/23/2025 10:46 PM, Jason wrote:


    I think I picked an inappropriate example, Everything.

    I am seeing what I asked about -everywhere- including
    Windows builtin programs.


    It takes me a while to remember all the places you can fix stuff :-)

    OK, now Irfanview is pretty brittle and is a legacy win32 type application.

    I have tried to keep the application picture and its scale setting the
    same for this picture. Both Irfanview presentations are at 33% scale.
    In one Irfanview picture, you can barely see the menu at the top of
    the screen. In the other IrfanView picture, you can see I've selected
    33% in the menu, and the menu is a little bit bigger.

    I've placed the "IrfanView Default" photo at the bottom.

    The fixed IrfanView is displayed at the top of the photo,
    and on the right hand side, you can see the tick box I've used.

    Using the Compatibility tab of the EXE properties, you can give some
    direction to how the system handles your win32 item. Doing so, can
    have a detrimental effect on the "application resolution" with respect
    to the screen. I haven't figure out yet, whether I've compromised
    the output of my IrfanView or not.

    Still, the purpose of the picture, is to show yet another way of fixing
    Win32 stuff.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/6pFqb5zQ/Irfan-View-Compatibility-Hi-DPI-Mod.gif

    Notice that I don't "control" the menu size, and all you can do
    is try this setting and see if you like it. My menu is a little
    bigger, and that's a start.

    Paul

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jul 24 12:50:52 2025
    On 2025/7/24 6:6:30, Paul wrote:
    []

    OK, now Irfanview is pretty brittle and is a legacy win32 type application.

    []
    Since version 4.40 (currently at 4.72) it's had a 64-bit version, though
    I don't know if "DPI-aware".
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    it is easy to make up a lie, but it can take much more time and effort
    to convincingly refute it. - Patrick Cockburn, i, 2016-9-24

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Thu Jul 24 08:49:09 2025
    On Thu, 7/24/2025 7:50 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/7/24 6:6:30, Paul wrote:
    []

    OK, now Irfanview is pretty brittle and is a legacy win32 type application.

    []
    Since version 4.40 (currently at 4.72) it's had a 64-bit version, though I don't know if "DPI-aware".

    The term "win32" is a euphemism for "native Intel binary code x86 or x64".
    The "bitness" is not implied by the 32 on the end, the 32 is an indicator
    that says "old old crusty native stuff" instead :-)

    Just as the filetype indication can be PE32 and PE32+.

    The "32" in the second one, is in conflict with what
    the "+" sign means and the plus sign indicated "this thing is 64-bit native". So in the PE32, the PE means "Portable Executable" and the 32 indicates
    crusty old native code. I expect the ARM version of an EXE would have
    some other indication for it. I doubt I have any examples of such
    ARM EXE in the room.

    PE signature found

    File Type: EXECUTABLE IMAGE

    FILE HEADER VALUES
    AA64 machine (ARM64) <=== (If we had a tool, the declaration would be PE32+ ARM64 or so)
    6 number of sections
    67110000 time date stamp Thu Oct 17 13:16:00 2024
    0 file pointer to symbol table
    0 number of symbols
    FO size of optional header
    22 characteristics
    Executable
    Application can handle large (>2GB) addresses

    Figure 6: AA64 Machine in File Header.

    The Metro.App on the other hand, is not a native binary, but is an interpreted representation. The manifest file identifies "things" to be loaded and interpreted. The EXE in that case, as of today, has zero size. At one
    time, the Metro.App EXE was a stub PE32 (an "empty" executable that just returns
    if you executed it) plus manifest text identifying the components. Today.
    the Metro.App EXE is absolutely empty and is just a marker
    and the manifest is some separate file. Because of the permissions on
    the various folders, there isn't much opportunity to study the thing.
    With a Program Files design, curious users are more in a position to
    learn about such things.

    Paul

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jul 24 11:43:00 2025
    Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:

    VanguardLH wrote:

    Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

    Jason wrote:

    When I use an app, say good old Everything, the file
    listing font size is just fine. What is not fine, is the
    font used in the box where I type the search argument. It
    is -minute- on a hi-res screen. It is almost unreadbly
    small.

    The problem isn't limited to Everything. It happens with
    all dialogs...

    It seems the issue is with too-small display of fonts everywhere. In
    that case, up the DPI setting from the default of 96 (100%) to 150
    (125%) which will make all text look bigger (due to the sizing issue
    already mentioned with monitors as resolution goes up). However, for
    non-DPI aware programs, the GUI elements don't enlarge, so the larger
    text may not fit inside them, like listboxes, button labels, or input
    fields. There are DPI compatibility settings you can try in a shortcut
    to a non-DPI aware program.

    I use 150 DPI, and Everything has no problem displaying text within its
    GUI elements, so it appears Everything is DPI aware.


    What physical size and what X*Y pixels are you using on yours ?

    Mine is one of those 27" 3840x2160 which is "too small for 4K", which
    is why mine is set at 200%. Maybe a 32" 4K, would work better at
    a different scale value than that.

    Dell S2917DM at 2560x1440 (native resolution). It's about 11 years old.
    27" was the biggest I wanted on my desk, especially due to shelves
    overhead on the wall above the desk. I didn't want some monster in my
    face. I had to up to 150% to make text bigger. Text is still displayed
    using the same number of pixels, so a higher resolution that packs more
    pixels per inch results in smaller sized text, and my eyes are too old
    to read tiny print. Upping the DPI made the text larger (more dots per
    inch), but I have a few non-DPI aware programs. Some can be wrangled to display okay by putzing with the DPI compatibility settings in a
    shortcut to run those programs.

    Jason has yet to mention if the font settings in Everything.ini helped
    him. That the problems occurs elsewhere will require different
    solutions for different software if the DPI workaround doesn't help.
    Impossible to troubleshooting unknown software.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jul 24 11:46:29 2025
    Paul <[email protected]d> wrote:

    J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    Paul wrote:

    OK, now Irfanview is pretty brittle and is a legacy win32 type
    application.

    Since version 4.40 (currently at 4.72) it's had a 64-bit version,
    though I don't know if "DPI-aware".

    The term "win32" is a euphemism for "native Intel binary code x86 or
    x64". The "bitness" is not implied by the 32 on the end, the 32 is an indicator that says "old old crusty native stuff" instead :-)

    Yeah, Microsoft usurped "app" which used to be an abbreviation for "application" which meant a program to be just 3 letters representing a
    UWP (Universal Windows Platform) app. So, now we have to say Win32 to
    mean a regular program (32- or 64-bit) and app to mean a UWP program.
    Microsoft has a long history is misusing or confusing product names and terminology.

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  • From Mark Lloyd@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jul 24 18:12:12 2025
    On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 22:50:31 -0400, Paul wrote:

    [snip]

    I was just surprised the computer store had 1920x1080 (lots of those), 2560x1600 (a couple gamers) and 3840x2160 (27" and 32" but no 32" in
    stock).
    All I really wanted was another 1440x900, but there was nothing like
    that in the several stored I checked.

    [snip]

    Paul

    Could you set the resolution of your current system to something smaller?
    I suggest a resolution with the same aspect ratio as that higher
    resolution.

    I use a small laptop, and needed to reduce the resolution to make text
    easily readable.

    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "The advancement and diffusion of knowledge is the only guardian of true liberty." -- James Madison

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Mark Lloyd on Thu Jul 24 15:57:56 2025
    On Thu, 7/24/2025 2:12 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 22:50:31 -0400, Paul wrote:

    [snip]

    I was just surprised the computer store had 1920x1080 (lots of those),
    2560x1600 (a couple gamers) and 3840x2160 (27" and 32" but no 32" in
    stock).
    All I really wanted was another 1440x900, but there was nothing like
    that in the several stored I checked.

    [snip]

    Paul

    Could you set the resolution of your current system to something smaller?
    I suggest a resolution with the same aspect ratio as that higher
    resolution.

    I use a small laptop, and needed to reduce the resolution to make text
    easily readable.


    I just set the scaling factor. The difference would be,
    the possibility of a sort of sub-pixel rendering by using
    the OS scaling. Dialing down the monitor resolution, isn't
    quite as good for image quality.

    That's why I said earlier, with the mass of settings available,
    you have to fiddle around and evaluate which one of the controls
    gives the best effect and result. I can try to guess at which works
    the best, but it's harder to do that if you don't know what the
    controls (like the ones in the Compatibility tab) are actually doing.

    Paul

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jul 24 22:50:48 2025
    On 2025/7/24 13:49:9, Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 7/24/2025 7:50 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/7/24 6:6:30, Paul wrote:
    []

    OK, now Irfanview is pretty brittle and is a legacy win32 type application. >>
    []
    Since version 4.40 (currently at 4.72) it's had a 64-bit version, though I don't know if "DPI-aware".

    The term "win32" is a euphemism for "native Intel binary code x86 or x64". The "bitness" is not implied by the 32 on the end, the 32 is an indicator that says "old old crusty native stuff" instead :-)

    Just as the filetype indication can be PE32 and PE32+.

    The "32" in the second one, is in conflict with what
    the "+" sign means and the plus sign indicated "this thing is 64-bit native". So in the PE32, the PE means "Portable Executable" and the 32 indicates crusty old native code. I expect the ARM version of an EXE would have
    some other indication for it. I doubt I have any examples of such
    ARM EXE in the room.

    PE signature found

    File Type: EXECUTABLE IMAGE

    FILE HEADER VALUES
    AA64 machine (ARM64) <=== (If we had a tool, the declaration would be PE32+ ARM64 or so)
    6 number of sections
    67110000 time date stamp Thu Oct 17 13:16:00 2024
    0 file pointer to symbol table
    0 number of symbols
    FO size of optional header
    22 characteristics
    Executable
    Application can handle large (>2GB) addresses

    Figure 6: AA64 Machine in File Header.

    The Metro.App on the other hand, is not a native binary, but is an interpreted
    representation. The manifest file identifies "things" to be loaded and interpreted. The EXE in that case, as of today, has zero size. At one
    time, the Metro.App EXE was a stub PE32 (an "empty" executable that just returns
    if you executed it) plus manifest text identifying the components. Today.
    the Metro.App EXE is absolutely empty and is just a marker
    and the manifest is some separate file. Because of the permissions on
    the various folders, there isn't much opportunity to study the thing.
    With a Program Files design, curious users are more in a position to
    learn about such things.

    Paul

    Thanks.

    I'm sorry you put so much effort into that, because it all went
    completely over my head!

    I did look at the IrfanView explanation of the difference between its 32
    and 64 bit versions. I got these points: the 64 bit one: only runs on 64
    bit systems; runs a bit faster for big images; can handle bigger images;
    and has fewer working plugins (especially where scanning is involved, as apparently 64-bit scanner drivers are less common). And that's all I understand!
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    "If just one child is saved, then we'll have created a police state for
    the benefit of just one child."

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