I have a BIOS (not UEFI) desktop so I read this with interest.
Microsoft hides workaround for installing Windows 11 on older PCs https://www.techspot.com/news/106619-microsoft-hides-official-workaround-installing-windows-11-older.html
What they say is Microsoft has been routinely removing its online support articles about Windows 11. The "ways to install" the operating system have recently been revised, and there are now no official workarounds for installing the latest Windows release to unsupported, older machines.
But what is really critical hardware for Windows 11?
Versus what is just nice to have (which I probably do not have)?
Apparently one issue is TPM 2.0 which I don't have, as I entered tpm.msc trusted platform module management console which said I don't have it.
But apparently you don't really need TPM 2.0 so it's confusing what is actually critical for installing Windows 11 vs which is just nice to have.
But they provided a wayback machine snapshot of the missing page. https://web.archive.org/web/20240929145620/https:/support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e
Before I do any of that to upgrade to Windows 11, what else should I test
on my desktop PC which is currently running Windows 10 Pro?
All I want to test for is the presence (or not) of just the most critical mandatory Windows-11-required hardware as I won't have the nice-to-have hw.
The "ways to install" the operating system have recently been
revised, and there are now no official workarounds for installing
the latest Windows release to unsupported, older machines.
All I want to test for is the presence (or not) of just the most critical mandatory Windows-11-required hardware as I won't have the nice-to-have
This stuff does not come with a "money back guarantee".
We can only cover the high points and "hope for the best".
It may mean the install process looks a bit empirical.
And takes more than one try to get right.
On 2/4/2025 3:15 AM, Oliver wrote:
All I want to test for is the presence (or not) of just the most critical
mandatory Windows-11-required hardware as I won't have the nice-to-have
�� I'm not an expert on this, but I have a laptop
that's an i3, and a self-assembled box with an i5
and TPM disabled. Both have Win11 in a dual boot.
The latter is 24H2. In neither case did it complain.
� That seems to be in conflict with the reported
restrictions. In both cases I just downloaded the
ISO. So I wonder if it's possible that the restrictions
only apply if you offer up your system to MS to do
with what they will?
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Paul <nospam> wrote:
[About Windows 11 on unsupported hardware:]
This stuff does not come with a "money back guarantee".
We can only cover the high points and "hope for the best".
It may mean the install process looks a bit empirical.
And takes more than one try to get right.
Exactly. There's no guarantee that 1) you'll get new updates, nor 2)
that you can manually get and install new updates, nor 3) that you can
get and install new versions.
So for a daily driver, you need to be willing and prepared for to get
stuck with an out-of-support system, i.e. like a 7 or 8.1 or ('soon') 10 system.
The "ways to install" the operating system have recently been
revised, and there are now no official workarounds for installing
the latest Windows release to unsupported, older machines.
None of the workarounds were ever official (on Home and Pro editions of Win11).
Alot of people still use Windows 7 with absolutely no issues.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Paul <nospam> wrote:
[About Windows 11 on unsupported hardware:]
This stuff does not come with a "money back guarantee".
We can only cover the high points and "hope for the best".
It may mean the install process looks a bit empirical.
And takes more than one try to get right.
Exactly. There's no guarantee that 1) you'll get new updates, nor 2)
that you can manually get and install new updates, nor 3) that you can
get and install new versions.
So for a daily driver, you need to be willing and prepared for to get
stuck with an out-of-support system, i.e. like a 7 or 8.1 or ('soon') 10
system.
Alot of people still use Windows 7 with absolutely no issues.
Newyana2 wrote:
MummyChunk wrote:
Alot of people still use Windows 7 with absolutely no issues.
That's true. I use a Win7 box for streaming movies. The
woman I live with is still using mostly XP. I'm not concerned with
Windows per se. I don't much care about updates. But Win7
is no longer supported by browser makers and will gradually
be unsupported by other software. For now it's fine. FF115 ESR
is up to date. But in a year or two it might start to get iffy.
Excellent point, Newyana2. And this is why I'm giving serious
consideration to running two computers from this point:
1. an air-gapped one running Windows 7
2. another for accessing the internet and running a bare minimum of
programs for doing so.
File transfers via thumb drive or portable hard drive, often after
running anti-malware scans on such files.
On Tue, 04 Feb 2025 21:13:23 +0000,
[email protected]d (MummyChunk) wrote:
Alot of people still use Windows 7 with absolutely no issues.
I use XP, 7, 8.1, and 10 on a daily basis. I keep the 10 updated,
although I couldn't really tell you why. The others don't get, and I'd
say don't need, updates. They work fine, as is.
This whole feeling of unease when an OS stops receiving constant updates seems to be manufactured by the maker of the OS. Everything is sunshine
and roses when it's new, but in short order it's so rotten that it needs
to be 'updated'.
On 2/4/2025 4:13 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
Alot of people still use Windows 7 with absolutely no issues.
That's true. I use a Win7 box for streaming movies. The
woman I live with is still using mostly XP. I'm not concerned with
Windows per se. I don't much care about updates. But Win7
is no longer supported by browser makers and will gradually
be unsupported by other software. For now it's fine. FF115 ESR
is up to date. But in a year or two it might start to get iffy.
I use Win 7 as my main PC, I'm typing this on it, and, note, its
browsers, anti-malware, and Windows Defender are all still being updated
as and when required.
consideration to running two computers from this point:
1. an air-gapped one running Windows 7
2. another for accessing the internet and running a bare minimum of
programs for doing so.
File transfers via thumb drive or portable hard drive, often after
running anti-malware scans on such files.
Newyana2 wrote:
On 2/4/2025 4:13 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
Alot of people still use Windows 7 with absolutely no issues.
� That's true. I use a Win7 box for streaming movies. The
woman I live with is still using mostly XP. I'm not concerned with
Windows per se. I don't much care about updates. But Win7
is no longer supported by browser makers and will gradually
be unsupported by other software. For now it's fine. FF115 ESR
is up to date. But in a year or two it might start to get iffy.
Excellent point, Newyana2. And this is why I'm giving serious
consideration to running two computers from this point:
1. an air-gapped one running Windows 7
2. another for accessing the internet and running a bare minimum of
programs for doing so.
File transfers via thumb drive or portable hard drive, often after
running anti-malware scans on such files.
But they provided a wayback machine snapshot of the missing page. https://web.archive.org/web/20240929145620/https:/support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e
On 2025-02-04 08:15, Oliver wrote:
But they provided a wayback machine snapshot of the missing page.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240929145620/https:/support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e
Thanks for this. The Registry hack there has enabled me to begin an
upgrade from 10 to 11 which is happening on my second PC right now,
currently at 57%. We'll see how it goes.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 714 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 139:06:37 |
| Calls: | 12,087 |
| Files: | 14,997 |
| Messages: | 6,517,406 |