First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. If it fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
I would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that have to use
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think it's to do
with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do in windows so stick to their corner and just work. That does include oneDrive and Sharepoint.
on 1/31/2025, David supposed :
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing
with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro. >>>> In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new >>>> account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft >>>> malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not >>>> listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know
how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad
nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's impossible >>>> for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have led >>>> to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development choices. >>>>
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly
obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows.
If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
I would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that have
to use
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think it's to do >>> with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do in
windows
so stick to their corner and just work. That does include oneDrive and
Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my first iMac in
2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"!
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that Microsoft's
oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Equivalent meaning 'cloud storage' then yes.
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third-party
scanner, can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on
'oneDrive'?
Unless the scanner also cracks the encryption, which they cannot,
scanning won't find anything. You should decrypt and scan locally before executing.
In other words, a great place for malware to hide!
Data at rest cannot do anything untoward.
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
On Jan 31, 2025 at 7:25:13 AM MST, "David" wrote <[email protected]>:
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with >>>> any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro. >>>> In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new >>>> account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft >>>> malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not >>>> listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to >>>> do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum. >>>>
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's impossible >>>> for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have led >>>> to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development choices. >>>>
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly obvious >>>> to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. If it >>>> fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
I would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that have to use >>> MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think it's to do >>> with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do in windows >>> so stick to their corner and just work. That does include oneDrive and
Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my first iMac in
2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"!
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that Microsoft's
oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third-party
scanner, can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on 'oneDrive'? >>
In other words, a great place for malware to hide!
What do you mean by a great place for it to hide? If you mean to have infected
files saved... sure. If you mean to do anything, how would that happen in your
mind?
John C. wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
AFAICT, most if not all of your problems stem from from you trying to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from Windows.
You're of course free to do so, but, as you have found, doing that
has it risks, especially if you do not fully understand how to (not) do things and what (not) to touch.
Having said that, my experience is in no way that bad, going from XP
to Vista, 8.1, 10 and now 11, most of the time on two machines at a
time. The 'worst' was Windows Update re-offering updates which were
already installed. That was annoying, but not a show-stopper and I could
fix it.
But I don't try to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from
Windows. If something is 'in the way', I just hide it, i.e. remove its 'links' (shortcuts, etc.) from my Taskbar, Desktop, Start menu, etc..
Yes, the hidden 'bloat' costs disk and RAM space. Live with it and get
over it. (I started with 8-64KB computers which cost tens and tens of thousands of (60s) dollars. My current laptop is a tad cheaper.)
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings, configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
On 1/31/2025 6:08 AM, John C. wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
You didn't ask for help, so I won't go into detail. I'll just
say that you're right, it's an unholy mess, but in my experience
it's fixable, albeit tedious. Microsoft is shut out of my systems.
I block updates. I get no nags and no nonsense. I removed most
of the "app" files by taking ownership of the whole mess. I removed
the visual blight with Open/Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker.
I removed Edge, Cortana, OneDrive, Search... There are some
residues here and there, but basically they're kaput.
I've even found that Win11 is salvageable. It's a bit more broken
than 10. They screwed up the Taskbar for no good reason. But
basically it is 10.
None of this tweaking/fixing should be necessary, but it is what
it is. Until we have laws forcing civility from tech companies, there's
not much choice. (Look up Cory Doctorow enshittification.) And most
lawmakers have no understanding of the situation, while the tech
bigwigs are only too happy to grease Trump's palm in exchange
for favors. There's no sense of vision anymore. Only greed and
pomposity. The silly Internet mania, Channel Bar ads, and
desktop "subscriptions" to ads of Windows 98 seem endearing
in retrospect.
Where can you go? There's Apple's overpriced walled garden.
Limited software, their own advertising system, shameless
exploitation of their customers and their workforce, and limited
options for customization. Or there's Linux, the choice of Aspergers
people everywhere; the perennially unfinished tech project,
maintained by geeks for whom that's their social life and who
don't especially want "civilians" crashing the party. And Linux
is gradually going from command line to consumer kiosk without
stopping at power user. There's a wildly reckless dripfeed of updates
coming through package managers, which are only necessary
because installing Linux software is such a fiasco that few people
can manage it... If, indeed, there's any software that you want
aside from Firefox and Libre Office.
If there's a saving grace with Windows it's that Microsoft's main
customer is business. That means they can't completely remove
the productivity aspect and replace it with services. It also means
that Windows hosts a vast amount of software, mostly pretty
smoothly, and with wonderful backward compatibility. (Some of
the software I'm running dates to 1999, such as Paint Shop Pro 5
and Visual Studio 6.)
To my mind, everything else is frying pan into the fire. Apropos
of that, I've been getting emails lately that I thought were porn
ads ("Congratulations! You're invited to join an adult community").
I finally looked at the source code and found it's a mangled email
from "Looker Studio". What the heck is Looker Studio? It's a Google
service.
"Looker Studio is a self-service business intelligence tool that lets
you create and share interactive reports and dashboards from
various data sources."
Huh? What the heck is a "dashboard"? "Business intelligence?"
"Data sources?" Do these people ever speak English?
Are they trying to tell me that if I give them all my business records
then they'll let me compose some sort of online chart? Then I'd do
something tacky like sending a Looker Studio link to business partners> ...It's flim flam city, everywhere you look. And you can be certain
that for at least the next 4 years, there will be no improvement in
the US. So unless you want to go back to WinXP/7 and that works for
you, Win10 may be the best option.
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
I would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that have to use
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think it's to do
with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do in windows so stick to their corner and just work. That does include oneDrive and Sharepoint.
*From:* "John C." <[email protected]>
*Date:* Fri, 31 Jan 2025 03:08:21 -0800
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to
embark upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows.
If it fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to >> do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
AFAICT, most if not all of your problems stem from from you trying to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from Windows.
You're of course free to do so, but, as you have found, doing that
has it risks, especially if you do not fully understand how to (not) do things and what (not) to touch.
Having said that, my experience is in no way that bad, going from XP
to Vista, 8.1, 10 and now 11, most of the time on two machines at a
time. The 'worst' was Windows Update re-offering updates which were
already installed. That was annoying, but not a show-stopper and I could fix it.
But I don't try to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from
Windows. If something is 'in the way', I just hide it, i.e. remove its 'links' (shortcuts, etc.) from my Taskbar, Desktop, Start menu, etc..
Yes, the hidden 'bloat' costs disk and RAM space. Live with it and get
over it. (I started with 8-64KB computers which cost tens and tens of thousands of (60s) dollars. My current laptop is a tad cheaper.)
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have
their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings, configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it instead of having it mangle the OS. That it does so shows me that
Microsoft has reached a level of decadence that they're unable to
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forcedI have NEVER had a forced update harm anything. I must be living in a rose garden huh!?
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
On 1/31/25 12:14 PM, John C. wrote:
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forcedI have NEVER had a forced update harm anything.� I must be living in a
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
rose garden huh!?
On 31/01/2025 18:03, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote on 1/31/25 9:08 AM:
on 1/31/2025, David supposed :
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in
dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 >>>>>> Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been >>>>>> this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't >>>>>> know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a >>>>>> huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a >>>>>> new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This
Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because
it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but >>>>>> attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a >>>>>> malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know
how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad
nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no >>>>>> longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's
impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many >>>>>> people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have >>>>>> led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end >>>>>> users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide >>>>>> them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development
choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to >>>>>> disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly
obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark >>>>>> upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. >>>>>> If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
I would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that have
to use
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think it's
to do
with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do in
windows
so stick to their corner and just work. That does include oneDrive and >>>>> Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my first iMac in >>>> 2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"!
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that Microsoft's
oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Equivalent meaning 'cloud storage' then yes.
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third-party
scanner, can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on
'oneDrive'?
Unless the scanner also cracks the encryption, which they cannot,
scanning won't find anything. You should decrypt and scan locally
before executing.
In other words, a great place for malware to hide!
Data at rest cannot do anything untoward.
OneDrive
=> Files are scanned by the Exchange Platform's Windows Defender
Storage when uploaded, opened, and downloaded. If Windows is the
upload source or download recipient, Windows Security(included
Defender) also scans the files(before upload, before local save or
sync). Additionally, unless excluded, automatic Windows Security
'Quick Scan', or manual 'Full Scan', scans OneDrive local
folder(existing, synced files). Windows Security 'Custom Scan' scans
the user choice of files and/or folders.
Of this I was completely unaware.
If Microsoft can do this (and I have no reason to doubt your word) it
doesn't take too much imagination to recognise that, if they wish,
Microsoft can monitor and understand everything that a computer user
does if the user connects their computer to the Internet.
Windows 10 group removed. Not Win10 unique, its been the same for
OneDrive and SkyDrive ever since the backend server was switched to
the Exchange Platform circa Win8 release and backported to support
Windows 7(OneDrive installable program) and Microsoft Win7 included
Security Essentials.
Thank you. Two groups added and Windows 10 replaced.
If Microsoft can, and DOES, do this, why does Apple not have a similar ability?
*Somebody* might know!
On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:08:48 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote <vnisin$3iuck$[email protected]>:
on 1/31/2025, David supposed :
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with >>>>> any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro. >>>>> In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been >>>>> this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't >>>>> know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a >>>>> huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new >>>>> account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft >>>>> malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not >>>>> listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a >>>>> malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to >>>>> do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum. >>>>>
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no >>>>> longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's impossible >>>>> for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have led >>>>> to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end >>>>> users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide >>>>> them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development choices. >>>>>
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly obvious >>>>> to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark >>>>> upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. If it >>>>> fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
I would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that have to use >>>> MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think it's to do >>>> with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do in windows
so stick to their corner and just work. That does include oneDrive and >>>> Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my first iMac in
2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"!
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that Microsoft's
oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Equivalent meaning 'cloud storage' then yes.
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third-party scanner, >>> can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on 'oneDrive'?
Unless the scanner also cracks the encryption, which they cannot,
scanning won't find anything. You should decrypt and scan locally
before executing.
*Which both OSs do automatically*.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
On Jan 31, 2025 at 5:13:30 PM MST, "David" wrote <[email protected]>:
On 31/01/2025 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:08:48 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<vnisin$3iuck$[email protected]>:
on 1/31/2025, David supposed :
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing withI would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that have to use
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro. >>>>>>> In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been >>>>>>> this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't >>>>>>> know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a >>>>>>> huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new >>>>>>> account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft >>>>>>> malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not >>>>>>> listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but >>>>>>> attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a >>>>>>> malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a >>>>>>> completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no >>>>>>> longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's impossible >>>>>>> for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many >>>>>>> people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have led >>>>>>> to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end >>>>>>> users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION >>>>>>> 3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide >>>>>>> them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development choices. >>>>>>>
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the >>>>>>> country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to >>>>>>> disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark >>>>>>> upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it. >>>>>>
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think it's to do >>>>>> with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do in windows
so stick to their corner and just work. That does include oneDrive and >>>>>> Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my first iMac in >>>>> 2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"!
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that Microsoft's
oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Equivalent meaning 'cloud storage' then yes.
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third-party scanner,
can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on 'oneDrive'?
Unless the scanner also cracks the encryption, which they cannot,
scanning won't find anything. You should decrypt and scan locally
before executing.
*Which both OSs do automatically*.
Please explain. I think you may be a little confused. :-(
I do not think so. The local system decrypts so you can read the files... AND it scans before executing. While it is possible something unknown can sneak by, that is ALWAYS the case when using data, esp. if executing unknown apps.
Brock McNuggets <[email protected]> wrote:[....]
What other than being saved do you mean?What do you mean by a great place for it to hide? If you mean to have infected
files saved... sure. If you mean to do anything, how would that happen in your
mind?
You are halfway there! :-)
I simply mean a place for infected files to lie dormant.
Don't bother. David has been doing this for many years yet is still technically illiterate. He looks for and finds new conspiracies for
software developers to target him with.
Looks like OneDrive is his latest interest.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
John C. wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with >>> any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do aAFAICT, most if not all of your problems stem from from you trying to
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to >>> do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum. >>
strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from Windows.
You're of course free to do so, but, as you have found, doing that
has it risks, especially if you do not fully understand how to (not) do
things and what (not) to touch.
Having said that, my experience is in no way that bad, going from XP
to Vista, 8.1, 10 and now 11, most of the time on two machines at a
time. The 'worst' was Windows Update re-offering updates which were
already installed. That was annoying, but not a show-stopper and I could
fix it.
But I don't try to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from
Windows. If something is 'in the way', I just hide it, i.e. remove its
'links' (shortcuts, etc.) from my Taskbar, Desktop, Start menu, etc..
Yes, the hidden 'bloat' costs disk and RAM space. Live with it and get
over it. (I started with 8-64KB computers which cost tens and tens of
thousands of (60s) dollars. My current laptop is a tad cheaper.)
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have
their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it
alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings,
configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it instead of having it mangle the OS. That it does so shows me that
Microsoft has reached a level of decadence that they're unable to
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
On Jan 31, 2025 at 5:09:07 PM MST, "David" wrote <[email protected]>:
On 31/01/2025 21:30, David wrote:
On 31/01/2025 18:03, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote on 1/31/25 9:08 AM:
on 1/31/2025, David supposed :
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help inI would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that have >>>>>>> to use
dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just >>>>>>>> exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 >>>>>>>> Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been >>>>>>>> this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't >>>>>>>> know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a >>>>>>>> huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a >>>>>>>> new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This
Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because >>>>>>>> it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't >>>>>>>> uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but >>>>>>>> attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a >>>>>>>> malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a >>>>>>>> completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know >>>>>>>> how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad >>>>>>>> nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where it's no >>>>>>>> longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's
impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many >>>>>>>> people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux. >>>>>>>>
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality have >>>>>>>> led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they see end >>>>>>>> users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION >>>>>>>> 3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to provide >>>>>>>> them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development
choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the >>>>>>>> country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're free to >>>>>>>> disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is blatantly >>>>>>>> obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to embark >>>>>>>> upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows. >>>>>>>> If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it. >>>>>>>
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think it's >>>>>>> to do
with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do in >>>>>>> windows
so stick to their corner and just work. That does include oneDrive and >>>>>>> Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my first iMac in >>>>>> 2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"!
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that Microsoft's
oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Equivalent meaning 'cloud storage' then yes.
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third-party >>>>>> scanner, can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on
'oneDrive'?
Unless the scanner also cracks the encryption, which they cannot,
scanning won't find anything. You should decrypt and scan locally
before executing.
In other words, a great place for malware to hide!
Data at rest cannot do anything untoward.
OneDrive
=> Files are scanned by the Exchange Platform's Windows Defender
Storage when uploaded, opened, and downloaded. If Windows is the
upload source or download recipient, Windows Security(included
Defender) also scans the files(before upload, before local save or
sync). Additionally, unless excluded, automatic Windows Security
'Quick Scan', or manual 'Full Scan', scans OneDrive local
folder(existing, synced files). Windows Security 'Custom Scan' scans
the user choice of files and/or folders.
Of this I was completely unaware.
If Microsoft can do this (and I have no reason to doubt your word) it
doesn't take too much imagination to recognise that, if they wish,
Microsoft can monitor and understand everything that a computer user
does if the user connects their computer to the Internet.
Windows 10 group removed. Not Win10 unique, its been the same for
OneDrive and SkyDrive ever since the backend server was switched to
the Exchange Platform circa Win8 release and backported to support
Windows 7(OneDrive installable program) and Microsoft Win7 included
Security Essentials.
Thank you. Two groups added and Windows 10 replaced.
If Microsoft can, and DOES, do this, why does Apple not have a similar
ability?
*Somebody* might know!
Does Microsoft REALLY scan OneDrive for malware?
Been covered: it is encrypted so it cannot be scanned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneDrive
OneDrive doesn't sound NEARLY as safe from prying eyes as the Apple iCloud!
It likely is not. Apple focuses heavily on privacy (and even they make goofs).
On 31/01/2025 17:14, John C. wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
John C. wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with >>>> any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro. >>>> In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new >>>> account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft >>>> malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not >>>> listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do aAFAICT, most if not all of your problems stem from from you trying to >>> strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from Windows.
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to >>>> do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum. >>>
You're of course free to do so, but, as you have found, doing that
has it risks, especially if you do not fully understand how to (not) do
things and what (not) to touch.
Having said that, my experience is in no way that bad, going from XP >>> to Vista, 8.1, 10 and now 11, most of the time on two machines at a
time. The 'worst' was Windows Update re-offering updates which were
already installed. That was annoying, but not a show-stopper and I could >>> fix it.
But I don't try to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from
Windows. If something is 'in the way', I just hide it, i.e. remove its
'links' (shortcuts, etc.) from my Taskbar, Desktop, Start menu, etc..
Yes, the hidden 'bloat' costs disk and RAM space. Live with it and get
over it. (I started with 8-64KB computers which cost tens and tens of
thousands of (60s) dollars. My current laptop is a tad cheaper.)
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have
their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it >>> alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings,
configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it
instead of having it mangle the OS. That it does so shows me that
Microsoft has reached a level of decadence that they're unable to
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
And so are the problems you keep causing yourself.
On 1/31/2025 2:26 PM, Alan K. wrote:
On 1/31/25 12:14 PM, John C. wrote:
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forcedI have NEVER had a forced update harm anything. I must be living in a
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
rose garden huh!?
You might be lucky:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-january-updates-trigger-audio-glitches-bluetooth-bugs-and-more/
https://www.techspot.com/news/106523-windows-users-report-widespread-device-issues-following-january.html
That's just what a search for this month turned up.
Problems with Microsoft's dripfeed updates are common and
sometimes very serious. In general it seems that the more
vanilla your config, the more likely there won't be problems.
But that doesn't mean that people who have problems are
having them due to their own incompetence.
Dripfeed updates are a terrible idea. That's why corporate
customers don't get them. They research and test each update
before applying it. Home and Pro users are unpaid beta testers.
Why would you think otherwise? Do you really believe that MS
can do no wrong? They're supporting a vast variety of hardware.
Even if they don't screw anything up, unforeseen problems can
happen,
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
IIRC, you tried to uninstall OneDrive and tinkered with all kinds of Services.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do aAFAICT, most if not all of your problems stem from from you trying to
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to >>>> do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum. >>>
strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from Windows.
You're of course free to do so, but, as you have found, doing that
has it risks, especially if you do not fully understand how to (not) do
things and what (not) to touch.
Having said that, my experience is in no way that bad, going from XP
to Vista, 8.1, 10 and now 11, most of the time on two machines at a
time. The 'worst' was Windows Update re-offering updates which were
already installed. That was annoying, but not a show-stopper and I could >>> fix it.
But I don't try to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from
Windows. If something is 'in the way', I just hide it, i.e. remove its
'links' (shortcuts, etc.) from my Taskbar, Desktop, Start menu, etc..
Yes, the hidden 'bloat' costs disk and RAM space. Live with it and get
over it. (I started with 8-64KB computers which cost tens and tens of
thousands of (60s) dollars. My current laptop is a tad cheaper.)
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have
their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
I'm *not* letting "Microsoft have their way with *my* computer", quite
the contrary. I have a local account, no Microsoft account and have
turned off the ad/commercial and other information gathering settings
and do not get the ads and other 'horrors' that all the FUD-generators complain about. But I only use normal settings/procedures for that, not
stuff one happens to find on the web or in some Usenet post. *If* I use
the latter two, *I* am the judge on whether the advice is legit or
bollocks and if it fails, I'm not going to whinge, but might warn others
not to fall for the crap.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it >>> alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings,
configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it
I don't remember you following official Microsoft instructions for
removing OneDrive, but I could be wrong.
Perhaps I have you mixed up with another 'tinkerer', but I don't think
so.
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it
instead of having it mangle the OS. That it does so shows me that
Microsoft has reached a level of decadence that they're unable to
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
Same (persistence) here, but that's not what I meant, I meant accept
(the consequences) of the 'bloat' and just *use* what you what you
want/need and hide the unwanted/unneeded stuff where you don't see it.
Anyway, do as you please. I just want to put your horror stories in
some perspective. Yes, in these groups we mainly talk about problems
(and solutions), but if things were as bad as you portray,
we would all be running Linux (and have even more problems) or macOS
(and having nomoney left).
David formulated on Saturday :
On 01/02/2025 01:20, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 31, 2025 at 5:13:30 PM MST, "David" wrote
<[email protected]>:
On 31/01/2025 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:08:48 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<vnisin$3iuck$[email protected]>:
on 1/31/2025, David supposed :
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help inI would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that >>>>>>>> have to use
dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just >>>>>>>>> exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows >>>>>>>>> 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never >>>>>>>>> been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I >>>>>>>>> don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And >>>>>>>>> it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings >>>>>>>>> to a new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This >>>>>>>>> Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because >>>>>>>>> it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't >>>>>>>>> uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but >>>>>>>>> attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't >>>>>>>>> have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a >>>>>>>>> completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I >>>>>>>>> know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this >>>>>>>>> ad nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where >>>>>>>>> it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's >>>>>>>>> impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that many >>>>>>>>> people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux. >>>>>>>>>
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality >>>>>>>>> have led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they >>>>>>>>> see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION >>>>>>>>> 3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to >>>>>>>>> provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development >>>>>>>>> choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by the >>>>>>>>> country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're
free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is
blatantly obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to >>>>>>>>> embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and
Windows. If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it. >>>>>>>>
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think
it's to do
with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they do >>>>>>>> in windows
so stick to their corner and just work. That does include
oneDrive and
Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my first
iMac in
2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"!
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that Microsoft's >>>>>>> oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Equivalent meaning 'cloud storage' then yes.
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third-Unless the scanner also cracks the encryption, which they cannot,
party scanner,
can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on 'oneDrive'? >>>>>>
scanning won't find anything. You should decrypt and scan locally
before executing.
*Which both OSs do automatically*.
Please explain. I think you may be a little confused. :-(
I do not think so. The local system decrypts so you can read the
files... AND
it scans before executing. While it is possible something unknown can
sneak
by, that is ALWAYS the case when using data, esp. if executing
unknown apps.
In that case, have I misunderstood what Winston said here?
Message-ID: <vnj3a8$3k7in$[email protected]>
No doubt.
You might like to read this too.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651
In article <vniav6$3fcf0$[email protected]>, [email protected] (John C.) wrote:
*From:* "John C." <[email protected]>
*Date:* Fri, 31 Jan 2025 03:08:21 -0800
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about to
embark upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and Windows.
If it fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating away it.
Funny that! I've been running W10 Professional since I installed it on this machine which I built in 2019 and I've never had a problem with it despite regularly installing all the monthly updates. It runs for around 17 hours a day and
gets quite heavy use too.
On 31/01/2025 17:14, John C. wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
John C. wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing
with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro. >>>> In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new >>>> account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft >>>> malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not >>>> listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a
malware infection from another source.
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know
how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad
nauseum.
AFAICT, most if not all of your problems stem from from you trying to >>> strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from Windows.
You're of course free to do so, but, as you have found, doing that
has it risks, especially if you do not fully understand how to (not) do
things and what (not) to touch.
Having said that, my experience is in no way that bad, going from XP >>> to Vista, 8.1, 10 and now 11, most of the time on two machines at a
time. The 'worst' was Windows Update re-offering updates which were
already installed. That was annoying, but not a show-stopper and I could >>> fix it.
But I don't try to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from
Windows. If something is 'in the way', I just hide it, i.e. remove its
'links' (shortcuts, etc.) from my Taskbar, Desktop, Start menu, etc..
Yes, the hidden 'bloat' costs disk and RAM space. Live with it and get
over it. (I started with 8-64KB computers which cost tens and tens of
thousands of (60s) dollars. My current laptop is a tad cheaper.)
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have
their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to
leave it
alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings,
configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it
instead of having it mangle the OS. That it does so shows me that
Microsoft has reached a level of decadence that they're unable to
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
And so are the problems you keep causing yourself.
John C. wrote:
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Your only chance of recovering from your exaspertion is to reformat the
hard disk abd reinstall Windows 10 from scratch.
The reason for this is as follows:
1) You have made so many changes to your system that you can't remember
any of the services that you have disabled. Only a few weeks ago you
were thinking of disabling even more services from your system.
2) Your changes have made your system unstable; You were then blaming
Indians and Chinese for this because Microsoft employs many of them.
3) Your age is a critical factor here. You say you have used Windows
since version 3.0. This indicates that you are quite old and thinks that
old ways of using Windows will still work in 2025. This is not going to
work with Windows 10 or Windows 11. things have moved on and you have
been left behind because of stubborness of not accepting to change and
updte your skills.
Having said this, this time make sure you don't make any changes after reinstallation of the OS and Updates. If there is anything that you want
to change, post here first so that there is a record of what you are doing.
Also, make sure don't blame Indians or Chinese because it is not there
fault for your lack of intelligence. Even UK's Chancellor of Exchequer
is bending backwards and bending knees when deling with the Chinese. She knows that they are the only people who can save people like you.
Even Donald Trump has changed his tunes about imposing Tariffs on
chinese goods. He knew that Chinese will hit back hard to wreck his
economy so he only imposed a 10% while with Canadians and Mexicans he
imposed 25%. Without Chinese this planet will crash very badly and white
men won't exist any more.
Hope this helps.
On Sat, 2/1/2025 4:14 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 31/01/2025 17:14, John C. wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
John C. wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with >>>>> any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro. >>>>> In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been >>>>> this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't >>>>> know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a >>>>> huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new >>>>> account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft >>>>> malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not >>>>> listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a >>>>> malware infection from another source.
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do aAFAICT, most if not all of your problems stem from from you trying to >>>> strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from Windows.
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to >>>>> do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum. >>>>
You're of course free to do so, but, as you have found, doing that >>>> has it risks, especially if you do not fully understand how to (not) do >>>> things and what (not) to touch.
Having said that, my experience is in no way that bad, going from XP >>>> to Vista, 8.1, 10 and now 11, most of the time on two machines at a
time. The 'worst' was Windows Update re-offering updates which were
already installed. That was annoying, but not a show-stopper and I could >>>> fix it.
But I don't try to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from
Windows. If something is 'in the way', I just hide it, i.e. remove its >>>> 'links' (shortcuts, etc.) from my Taskbar, Desktop, Start menu, etc..
Yes, the hidden 'bloat' costs disk and RAM space. Live with it and get >>>> over it. (I started with 8-64KB computers which cost tens and tens of
thousands of (60s) dollars. My current laptop is a tad cheaper.)
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have
their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it
alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings,
configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it
instead of having it mangle the OS. That it does so shows me that
Microsoft has reached a level of decadence that they're unable to
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
And so are the problems you keep causing yourself.
I think I would build my utopia first, then I would install
my programs and move my data over.
Trying to do all this, and cursing the level of mess because
you added too much stuff, that's pushing your luck. This is a
complicated OS, and it's easy to make mistakes.
I guess you're lucky. Maybe the problem I'm having is that I updated a computer which was running Windows 7 to Windows 10 Pro by using a
purchased OEM license. When I did this, I opted to save my files and settings. For a time, that install seemed to work. Then it didn't.
Perhaps I should have done a clean install of Windows 10 at that time instead. Who knows?
Mr Xi Ji Ping wrote:
John C. wrote:
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been
this bad.
Your only chance of recovering from your exaspertion is to reformat the
hard disk abd reinstall Windows 10 from scratch.
Isn't that exactly what I implied in my OP?
The reason for this is as follows:
1) You have made so many changes to your system that you can't remember
any of the services that you have disabled. Only a few weeks ago you
were thinking of disabling even more services from your system.
2) Your changes have made your system unstable; You were then blaming
Indians and Chinese for this because Microsoft employs many of them.
I don't remember blaming the Chinese for this. Perhaps you can remind me where I did so.
3) Your age is a critical factor here. You say you have used Windows
since version 3.0. This indicates that you are quite old and thinks that
old ways of using Windows will still work in 2025. This is not going to
work with Windows 10 or Windows 11. things have moved on and you have
been left behind because of stubborness of not accepting to change and
updte your skills.
Having said this, this time make sure you don't make any changes after
reinstallation of the OS and Updates. If there is anything that you want
to change, post here first so that there is a record of what you are doing. >>
Also, make sure don't blame Indians or Chinese because it is not there
fault for your lack of intelligence. Even UK's Chancellor of Exchequer
is bending backwards and bending knees when deling with the Chinese. She
knows that they are the only people who can save people like you.
Even Donald Trump has changed his tunes about imposing Tariffs on
chinese goods. He knew that Chinese will hit back hard to wreck his
economy so he only imposed a 10% while with Canadians and Mexicans he
imposed 25%. Without Chinese this planet will crash very badly and white
men won't exist any more.
Hope this helps.
Sorry Mr. Ping-Pong Marfar, but I don't feed trolls like you. Over and out.
precedent for mandatory updates which Microsoft decided to force on its
end users.
David expressed precisely :
On 01/02/2025 10:06, FromTheRafters wrote:
David formulated on Saturday :
On 01/02/2025 01:20, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 31, 2025 at 5:13:30 PM MST, "David" wrote
<[email protected]>:
On 31/01/2025 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:08:48 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<vnisin$3iuck$[email protected]>:
on 1/31/2025, David supposed :
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in >>>>>>>>>>> dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just >>>>>>>>>>> exasperated with all the problems I've been having with
Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's >>>>>>>>>>> never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. >>>>>>>>>>> I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. >>>>>>>>>>> And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings >>>>>>>>>>> to a new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing. >>>>>>>>>>>
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This >>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it
because it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't >>>>>>>>>>> uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my >>>>>>>>>>> SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I >>>>>>>>>>> don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to >>>>>>>>>>> do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I >>>>>>>>>>> know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this >>>>>>>>>>> ad nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point where >>>>>>>>>>> it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, it's >>>>>>>>>>> impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, that >>>>>>>>>>> many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or Linux. >>>>>>>>>>>
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in functionality >>>>>>>>>>> have led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job.
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that they >>>>>>>>>>> see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR
PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world to >>>>>>>>>>> provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS development >>>>>>>>>>> choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over by >>>>>>>>>>> the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're >>>>>>>>>>> free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is
blatantly obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about >>>>>>>>>>> to embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and >>>>>>>>>>> Windows. If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating >>>>>>>>>>> away it.
I would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us that >>>>>>>>>> have to use
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I think >>>>>>>>>> it's to do
with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like they >>>>>>>>>> do in windows
so stick to their corner and just work. That does include
oneDrive and
Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my first >>>>>>>>> iMac in
2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"! >>>>>>>>>
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that Microsoft's >>>>>>>>> oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Equivalent meaning 'cloud storage' then yes.
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third- >>>>>>>>> party scanner,Unless the scanner also cracks the encryption, which they cannot, >>>>>>>> scanning won't find anything. You should decrypt and scan locally >>>>>>>> before executing.
can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on 'oneDrive'? >>>>>>>>
*Which both OSs do automatically*.
Please explain. I think you may be a little confused. :-(
I do not think so. The local system decrypts so you can read the
files... AND
it scans before executing. While it is possible something unknown
can sneak
by, that is ALWAYS the case when using data, esp. if executing
unknown apps.
In that case, have I misunderstood what Winston said here?
Message-ID: <vnj3a8$3k7in$[email protected]>
No doubt.
Would you care to rephrase what Winston claimed about Microsoft
scanning OneDrive for malware?
You might like to read this too.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651
Thank you. I'm quite happy with Apple's approach to security matters.
Do you make use of end to end encryption?
David expressed precisely :
On 01/02/2025 12:11, FromTheRafters wrote:
David expressed precisely :
On 01/02/2025 10:06, FromTheRafters wrote:
David formulated on Saturday :
On 01/02/2025 01:20, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 31, 2025 at 5:13:30 PM MST, "David" wrote
<[email protected]>:
On 31/01/2025 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:08:48 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<vnisin$3iuck$[email protected]>:
on 1/31/2025, David supposed :
On 31/01/2025 12:41, Chris wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in >>>>>>>>>>>>> dealing with
any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just >>>>>>>>>>>>> exasperated with all the problems I've been having with >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 Pro.
In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> never been
this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account >>>>>>>>>>>>> profile. I don't
know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And it's a
huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of >>>>>>>>>>>>> settings to a new
account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This Microsoft
malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it >>>>>>>>>>>>> because it's not
listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my >>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD but
attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a
malware infection from another source.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I know how to
do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched >>>>>>>>>>>>> this ad nauseum.
So here's what I have to say:
IMHO, here are reasons why Windows has reached a point >>>>>>>>>>>>> where it's no
longer a viable operating system for me:
-Windows code has gotten so complex that at this point, >>>>>>>>>>>>> it's impossible
for Microsoft to maintain.
-Forced updates have cause issues for so many end-users, >>>>>>>>>>>>> that many
people have simply given up and moved to either Apple or >>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux.
-Feature elimination and overall regressions in
functionality have led
to to a failure on the part of the OS to do its job. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
-Microsoft's not-so-hidden agendas of:
1. being so obsessed with maximizing their profits that >>>>>>>>>>>>> they see end
users basically only as opponent to that goal
2. acquiring information about end users WITHOUT THEIR >>>>>>>>>>>>> PERMISSION
3. cooperating with three-letter-agencies around the world >>>>>>>>>>>>> to provide
them with that information
continually lead to their making seriously bad OS
development choices.
And now, on top of all this, Microsoft has been taken over >>>>>>>>>>>>> by the
country of India. If you don't believe me, of course you're >>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
disagree but IMO you're simply wrong. This takeover is >>>>>>>>>>>>> blatantly obvious
to anybody with half a brain.
At any rate, this fresh reinstall of Windows that I'm about >>>>>>>>>>>>> to embark
upon is the last chance I will be giving to Microsoft and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. If it
fails for *any* reason, I will follow others in migrating >>>>>>>>>>>>> away it.
I would certainly recommend macOS because for those of us >>>>>>>>>>>> that have to use
MS tools for work they are much more stable on macOS. I >>>>>>>>>>>> think it's to do
with the fact they can't have hooks all over the OS like >>>>>>>>>>>> they do in windows
so stick to their corner and just work. That does include >>>>>>>>>>>> oneDrive and
Sharepoint.
As you know, Chris, I migrated to macOS when I bought my >>>>>>>>>>> first iMac in
2009. Just as you say, for the most part, my Mac "just works"! >>>>>>>>>>>
What I did NOT realise, until this past week, is that
Microsoft's
oneDrive is the equivalent of Apple's iCloud!
Equivalent meaning 'cloud storage' then yes.
Am I right in thinking that neither Microsoft, nor any third- >>>>>>>>>>> party scanner,
can access and scan for malware any file stored in/on
'oneDrive'?
Unless the scanner also cracks the encryption, which they cannot, >>>>>>>>>> scanning won't find anything. You should decrypt and scan locally >>>>>>>>>> before executing.
*Which both OSs do automatically*.
Please explain. I think you may be a little confused. :-(
I do not think so. The local system decrypts so you can read the >>>>>>> files... AND
it scans before executing. While it is possible something unknown >>>>>>> can sneak
by, that is ALWAYS the case when using data, esp. if executing
unknown apps.
In that case, have I misunderstood what Winston said here?
Message-ID: <vnj3a8$3k7in$[email protected]>
No doubt.
Would you care to rephrase what Winston claimed about Microsoft
scanning OneDrive for malware?
You might like to read this too.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651
Thank you. I'm quite happy with Apple's approach to security matters.
Do you make use of end to end encryption?
Of course! It would be foolish NOT to do so! ;-)
https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/features/
Why? What are you hiding? :)
Does Apple scan your photos?
Frank Slootweg wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
IIRC, you tried to uninstall OneDrive and tinkered with all kinds of Services.
Yes, and I did that directly as the result of an attempt to correct a
munged mandatory Windows update. It's a long story and I don't want to
go into it.
And you are completely and adroitly ignoring my OP, wherein I clearly
said (and I quote):
"First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing
with any of the issues I mention in this post."
My attempts to fight back against Microsoft's complete disregard for my privacy will NOT STOP. If it develops to the point where I'm unable to
do so and must accept their version of their OS without modification, as
you seem to be recommending that I do, then BYE BYE Microsoft. Period.
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have
their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
I'm *not* letting "Microsoft have their way with *my* computer", quite the contrary. I have a local account, no Microsoft account and have
turned off the ad/commercial and other information gathering settings
and do not get the ads and other 'horrors' that all the FUD-generators complain about. But I only use normal settings/procedures for that, not stuff one happens to find on the web or in some Usenet post. *If* I use
the latter two, *I* am the judge on whether the advice is legit or
bollocks and if it fails, I'm not going to whinge, but might warn others not to fall for the crap.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it >>> alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings,
configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it
I don't remember you following official Microsoft instructions for removing OneDrive, but I could be wrong.
I had already disabled it and uninstalled it via the normal method. And
that was successful.
When it reappeared after a repair reinstall of W10,
I attempted to uninstall it again and that failed. In an attempt to
correct the problem, I reinstalled OneDrive over itself (you have to
admit that this is a very commonly used tactic) and when I did so, I was
then unable to remove it because it no longer was listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. When I attempted to manually delete its
folder, I was prevented from doing so by the system.
Now you tell me that I am to blame for this problem! And It appeared
along with its buddy, a corrupt user account profile.
Thus, my decision to do eventually proceed with a complete and total reinstall of Windows 10 and all of my applications. I haven't done this
yet, because it's going to take a tremendous effort on my part. And this
is the first time ever in my use of any version of Windows, where I have
had to do so as the end result of there being any kind of system
corruption. EVER!
Perhaps I have you mixed up with another 'tinkerer', but I don't think so.
"Tinkerer"?
How would you like it if I started calling you a "Microsoft shill"? Because more and more, that's exactly what you're beginning to
sound like.
Are you telling me that you, yourself, don't "tinker" with
your own copy of Windows? That you're entirely willing to accept
Microsoft's default settings? If you do, I'm going to simply call
nonsense on such a remark.
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
Same (persistence) here, but that's not what I meant, I meant accept
(the consequences) of the 'bloat' and just *use* what you what you want/need and hide the unwanted/unneeded stuff where you don't see it.
_NO!_ NO, I will do nothing of the sort! Newyana2 and I are kindred
spirits. Microsoft shoves an OS at me which is loaded with, basically, Trojan-like activity and PUPs, and I will do everything I can to disable
and remove such garbage. That's not going to change.
If you want to roll over and allow Microsoft to have their way with you,
go for it. You've implied that I should do likewise a couple of times
now and both times I' clearly said that I won't. Move on and accept the
fact that I do things differently than you do.
Anyway, do as you please. I just want to put your horror stories in
some perspective. Yes, in these groups we mainly talk about problems
(and solutions), but if things were as bad as you portray,
A simple search of the internet will easily demonstrate that "things are
as bad as" I portray. I am by far, not the only person who has
experienced a corrupt user account profile:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=corrupt+user+account+profile+windows+10&form=QBLH
or problems getting rid of the OneDrive malware:
https://www.bing.com/search?go=Search&q=unable+to+disable+and+uninstall+onedrive+in+windows+10&qs=ds&form=QBRE
we would all be running Linux (and have even more problems) or macOS
(and having nomoney left).
Not true. Most people are sheeple and are willing to go with the status
quo. I'm neither.
EOD, and I really mean it. If you reply, I will ignore you. And if you continue, I will filter out anything further from you as well as add a statement to my signature file that I am doing so.
Over and out. >80(>
Paul wrote:
On Sat, 2/1/2025 4:14 AM, wasbit wrote:
On 31/01/2025 17:14, John C. wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
John C. wrote:
First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing with >>>>>> any of the issues I mention in this post.
I don't know why I'm bothering to write this. I guess I'm just
exasperated with all the problems I've been having with Windows 10 Pro. >>>>>> In all the time I've been using Windows (since 3.0), it's never been >>>>>> this bad.
Currently I am suffering from a corrupt user account profile. I don't >>>>>> know how this occurred, but I do know how to deal with it. And it's a >>>>>> huge task migrating doing so, involving migration of settings to a new >>>>>> account. But this isn't the only issue I'm experiencing.
I also have a corrupt install of OneDrive on my system. This Microsoft >>>>>> malware is definitely installed, but I can't remove it because it's not >>>>>> listed in Programs and Features or Settings/Apps. Thus, I can't
uninstall it. And yes, this Microsoft malware exists on my SSD but >>>>>> attempting to simply delete its folders fails. And no, I don't have a >>>>>> malware infection from another source.
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
This second problem is so bad, that I'm now going to have to do a
completely fresh reinstall of W10 Pro and all my programs. I know how to >>>>>> do this, so PLEASE, no advice. I already have researched this ad nauseum.
AFAICT, most if not all of your problems stem from from you trying to
strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from Windows.
You're of course free to do so, but, as you have found, doing that >>>>> has it risks, especially if you do not fully understand how to (not) do >>>>> things and what (not) to touch.
Having said that, my experience is in no way that bad, going from XP >>>>> to Vista, 8.1, 10 and now 11, most of the time on two machines at a
time. The 'worst' was Windows Update re-offering updates which were
already installed. That was annoying, but not a show-stopper and I could >>>>> fix it.
But I don't try to strip/remove/unistall/<whatever> stuff from
Windows. If something is 'in the way', I just hide it, i.e. remove its >>>>> 'links' (shortcuts, etc.) from my Taskbar, Desktop, Start menu, etc.. >>>>> Yes, the hidden 'bloat' costs disk and RAM space. Live with it and get >>>>> over it. (I started with 8-64KB computers which cost tens and tens of >>>>> thousands of (60s) dollars. My current laptop is a tad cheaper.)
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have >>>> their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it
alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings, >>>>> configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it >>>> instead of having it mangle the OS. That it does so shows me that
Microsoft has reached a level of decadence that they're unable to
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
And so are the problems you keep causing yourself.
I think I would build my utopia first, then I would install
my programs and move my data over.
That's exactly what my game plan is.
Trying to do all this, and cursing the level of mess because
you added too much stuff, that's pushing your luck. This is a
complicated OS, and it's easy to make mistakes.
"Added too much stuff"??? What are you talking about? Am I not free to install carefully vetted programs that I use?
And yes, I know it's a complicated OS. "Complicated" is just a nice way
of saying it's top-heavy with legacy code and unnecessary feature bloat
which renders it unstable and difficult for MS to maintain.
Also, allow me to reiterate that it was a failed installation of a
mandatory update which initiated all my problem. Up to that point, I was experiencing no serious issues.
On Sat, 01 Feb 2025 04:50:30 -0600, John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
I guess you're lucky. Maybe the problem I'm having is that I updated a
computer which was running Windows 7 to Windows 10 Pro by using a
purchased OEM license. When I did this, I opted to save my files and
settings. For a time, that install seemed to work. Then it didn't.
Perhaps I should have done a clean install of Windows 10 at that time
instead. Who knows?
I upgraded my computer from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 in the summer of
2022.
I tried to save my files and settings, but that never did work for me.
I had to use the "Keep Personal Files Only" option for it to finally work.
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
John C. <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Both of those problems are the direct result of a failed, forced
Microsoft update. If you don't think that forced updates can cause
problems, then you're living on another planet.
IIRC, you tried to uninstall OneDrive and tinkered with all kinds of
Services.
Yes, and I did that directly as the result of an attempt to correct a
munged mandatory Windows update. It's a long story and I don't want to
go into it.
And you are completely and adroitly ignoring my OP, wherein I clearly
said (and I quote):
"First of all, please note that I'm *not* asking for help in dealing
with any of the issues I mention in this post."
Because you said that, I was not offering any help. I was just
commenting on your comments and partly countering your arguments.
My attempts to fight back against Microsoft's complete disregard for my
privacy will NOT STOP. If it develops to the point where I'm unable to
do so and must accept their version of their OS without modification, as
you seem to be recommending that I do, then BYE BYE Microsoft. Period.
*Read* my response! As I said, I have also taken measures to protect
my privacy. See your below quote of my text. So please no straw men, red herrings, etc..
[...]
Obviously, you mileage varies from mine. Giving up and letting MS have >>>> their way with *my* computer is thoroughly unacceptable.
I'm *not* letting "Microsoft have their way with *my* computer", quite >>> the contrary. I have a local account, no Microsoft account and have
turned off the ad/commercial and other information gathering settings
and do not get the ads and other 'horrors' that all the FUD-generators
complain about. But I only use normal settings/procedures for that, not
stuff one happens to find on the web or in some Usenet post. *If* I use
the latter two, *I* am the judge on whether the advice is legit or
bollocks and if it fails, I'm not going to whinge, but might warn others >>> not to fall for the crap.
So if this is your "Last chance for Windows", my advice it to leave it >>>>> alone after you've re-installed it. Just use normal defined settings, >>>>> configuration, etc., but don't rip parts from its guts.
[...]
No Frank. That's bad advice. If Microsoft says it's possible to
uninstall something, then by God it should be possible to uninstall it
I don't remember you following official Microsoft instructions for
removing OneDrive, but I could be wrong.
I had already disabled it and uninstalled it via the normal method. And
that was successful.
Please post the URL of the official Microsoft instructions you
followed. IIRC, people advised against removing OneDrive.
When it reappeared after a repair reinstall of W10,
I attempted to uninstall it again and that failed. In an attempt to
correct the problem, I reinstalled OneDrive over itself (you have to
admit that this is a very commonly used tactic) and when I did so, I was
then unable to remove it because it no longer was listed in Programs and
Features or Settings/Apps. When I attempted to manually delete its
folder, I was prevented from doing so by the system.
Now you tell me that I am to blame for this problem! And It appeared
along with its buddy, a corrupt user account profile.
Thus, my decision to do eventually proceed with a complete and total
reinstall of Windows 10 and all of my applications. I haven't done this
yet, because it's going to take a tremendous effort on my part. And this
is the first time ever in my use of any version of Windows, where I have
had to do so as the end result of there being any kind of system
corruption. EVER!
Perhaps I have you mixed up with another 'tinkerer', but I don't think >>> so.
"Tinkerer"?
Tinkering in and by itself is in no way bad, if you know what you're
doing and accept the consequences of your tinkering if and when things
turn saur. I tinker myself, a lot.
How would you like it if I started calling you a "Microsoft
shill"? Because more and more, that's exactly what you're beginning to
sound like.
No wonder you like Newyana2. He also yells "shill" when he can't
counter an argument.
Are you telling me that you, yourself, don't "tinker" with
your own copy of Windows? That you're entirely willing to accept
Microsoft's default settings? If you do, I'm going to simply call
nonsense on such a remark.
No, I do tinker and quite a lot, but mostly not to remove stuff,
because of the risks, such as those you've encountered. I any case, as I said, when my tinkering fails, I don't whinge about it and don't blame everything and everybody except myself.
maintain the code for their top-heavy, legacy-code-choked OS.
And no, I won't "live with it and get over it." My persistence is
legendary,.
Same (persistence) here, but that's not what I meant, I meant accept
(the consequences) of the 'bloat' and just *use* what you what you
want/need and hide the unwanted/unneeded stuff where you don't see it.
_NO!_ NO, I will do nothing of the sort! Newyana2 and I are kindred
spirits. Microsoft shoves an OS at me which is loaded with, basically,
Trojan-like activity and PUPs, and I will do everything I can to disable
and remove such garbage. That's not going to change.
As I said, please yourself, but then also face the consequences and
don't blame Microsoft and others - like 'us' - for your actions.
If you want to roll over and allow Microsoft to have their way with you,
go for it. You've implied that I should do likewise a couple of times
now and both times I' clearly said that I won't. Move on and accept the
fact that I do things differently than you do.
You sound like a broken record, try a CD next time. I have already explained that Microsoft does *not* "have their way" with me.
Footstamping is not a very convincing argument.
Anyway, do as you please. I just want to put your horror stories in
some perspective. Yes, in these groups we mainly talk about problems
(and solutions), but if things were as bad as you portray,
A simple search of the internet will easily demonstrate that "things are
as bad as" I portray. I am by far, not the only person who has
experienced a corrupt user account profile:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=corrupt+user+account+profile+windows+10&form=QBLH
or problems getting rid of the OneDrive malware:
https://www.bing.com/search?go=Search&q=unable+to+disable+and+uninstall+onedrive+in+windows+10&qs=ds&form=QBRE
Of course you are not the only one to have problems, but you portray
things like Windows is just one big pile of problems, which is clearly
false. That's all I *and several others* are saying.
we would all be running Linux (and have even more problems) or macOS
(and having nomoney left).
Not true. Most people are sheeple and are willing to go with the status
quo. I'm neither.
EOD, and I really mean it. If you reply, I will ignore you. And if you
continue, I will filter out anything further from you as well as add a
statement to my signature file that I am doing so.
Wow! A public plonk!? I'm trembling in my wooden shoes.
Anyway, good luck with your re-install and your cold.
Over and out. >80(>
Perhaps there's hope after all for
Windows 10 when I do the fresh reinstall
Have you ever reviewed the work of Patrick Wardle?
Do you read articles like this? https://9to5mac.com/2025/01/02/what-malware-your-mac-can-remove/
Patrick Wardle is a well-respected security researcher with extensive experience in macOS security. His research has demonstrated that Macs
**can** be vulnerable to malware, particularly through social
engineering, supply chain attacks, and unpatched vulnerabilities. While
macOS has strong built-in security features (such as Gatekeeper,
XProtect, and System Integrity Protection), these defenses are *not foolproof*
The Apple Support Communities View
Many contributors to the Apple Support Communities forums believe that third-party antivirus (AV) software is unnecessary for macOS, often
arguing that:
1. **macOS has built-in security** that is sufficient for most users.
2. **AV software can cause system slowdowns** and compatibility issues.
3. **Mac malware is rare compared to Windows malware** and is usually preventable by practicing good security hygiene.
4. **Some AV software itself can be invasive** and may create more
security risks than it mitigates.
My View
Both perspectives have merit. Whether a Mac user *needs* additional anti-malware software depends on their use case.
- **If you only download software from the Mac App Store or trusted
sources, avoid shady websites, and practice good security habits,
Apple's built-in defenses may be sufficient.**
- **If you frequently install third-party software, open email
attachments from unknown sources, or engage in high-risk activities
(e.g., software development, cybersecurity research), additional
security layers may be justified.**
For *everyday users*, I think using tools like Malwarebytes (free for
manual scans) or Patrick Wardle’s free security tools (e.g., LuLu, KnockKnock, and RansomWhere?) can add lightweight protection without
causing system slowdowns.
For power users or businesses, tools like Objective-See’s security
suite, ClamXAV, or even a full-fledged enterprise solution might be warranted.
*Would you agree with this balanced approach*?
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