• Re: 3D SEEN-BY

    From vk3jed@21:1/109.1 to Black Panther on Sat Dec 22 08:58:48 2018
    On 22-Dec-2018 08:07, Black Panther wrote to Atreyu <=-

    ANAL_BLEACHING
    MASTURBATION
    MANSCAPING

    I vote for you for moderator of these new echos. ;)

    Haha why not? There's a lot of worse stuff going around Fidonet. ;)


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  • From Tiny@21:1/130.4 to Atreyu on Sat Dec 22 12:54:48 2018
    Quoting Atreyu to Tiny <=-

    I'm in Oshawa twice a month...

    Let me know. I'm normally home from work by 4:30pm, and currently not
    working weekends. I can also cut out early tues, wed or thurs.

    Shawn

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  • From g00r00@21:1/112 to Atreyu on Sat Dec 22 10:27:48 2018
    I can only imagine... But I will assume, it is simular to a request I received once to add JAM support to D'Bridge. When I replied that it
    would take a significant rewrite of the tosser-code which has functioned trouble-free since 1988, that reply was construed to "It sucks" or "Its not that hard to implement overlays or an API" (As if I did not think of those things already)

    You can't win! When its something they want, its easy. When its something you're working on it, its stupid or too hard. I originally was going to make an IREX replacement instead of building all of this stuff into Mystic but people on FidoNet "talked me out of it" by telling me that I couldn't do it, that it was too hard to do, etc.

    And the threads from there would quickly descend into nonsense, in particular by two individuals; one of a tosser that has his freaking credits as a menu option (I'm not kidding, guess which one), and another

    Oh yep I know. Thats one of the offenders with me too. Not surprising I suppose. And if I am not mistaken, didn't that person not even write the tosser they just got the code afterwards and slapped their name on it in obnoxious ways? I remember giving him shit about the credits lol

    One challenge I have in trying to port D'Bridge to Linux, is the use of
    a then-commercial library called B-Tree ISAM, which is used heavily by
    the Queue and Nodelist compiler code. Although it is open-source now, it is updated for Delphi, and I need to fix several portions for "TP7 compatible" syntax so I can try a test compile with FreePascal.

    Yeah that is a pain. Way back in the days I had a license to Async Professional that I used in a commercial project and I always wanted to use it in Mystic but I knew that I would have to port to OS/2 and Windows pretty early on in Mystic's life so I never did.

    Now its opened sourced though, and I eventually hacked just the protocols into Mystic's code similar to what you will have to do (this is where Mystic's X/Y/Z modem come from).

    Then theres all the assembler code, dialup modem stuff, and a lot of tricks that were done to make it run for the days of IBM XT's and Tandy 1000's. The people who request a cross-OS version may have good intentions, but it is often difficult for me to explain the scope of the work involved to port it.

    Yeah that can be a pain. A lot of those old programs address the screen using memory location and used basic ASM functions for string handling. But then some people wrote ASM to speed up key parts of program logic and those people are totally screwed.

    There are just other things to worry about too. DOS is not the same as
    Linux and things aren't always so plug and play when you first start porting from DOS.

    That network has been silent for the most part lately, aside from usual political shenanigans. When I bring up the subject of masturbation, manscaping or shaving my anus, nobody wants to engage me on that topic. Sadly.

    Blasphemy! How dare they!

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  • From g00r00@21:1/112 to Joacim Melin on Sat Dec 22 10:44:32 2018
    Why the f*ck where they blocking the Fido echo? Who made that decision? Bring me the head of.

    I don't know this was years ago. The reason was just irrational behavior. The same people were also saying they wanted anyone using Mystic BBS to be prevented from being on Fido at some point too.

    These were major Zone 2 hubs and I don't remember who it was specifically. If Access Denied is still active (not sure) he might remember more as he was my FidoNet hub at the time (still is).

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to g00r00 on Sat Dec 22 10:10:18 2018
    On Saturday, December 22nd g00r00 was heard saying...
    political shenanigans. When I bring up the subject of masturbation, manscaping or shaving my anus, nobody wants to engage me on that
    topic.
    Sadly.
    Blasphemy! How dare they!

    Rotfl


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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to G00R00 on Sat Dec 22 19:33:32 2018
    On 22 Dec 18 10:27:49, G00R00 said the following to Atreyu:

    You can't win! When its something they want, its easy. When its something you're working on it, its stupid or too hard. I originally was going to mak an IREX replacement instead of building all of this stuff into Mystic but people on FidoNet "talked me out of it" by telling me that I couldn't do it, that it was too hard to do, etc.

    Oh man you lucked out by NOT writing an Irex replacement. That it
    something pretty much *every* long-time Sysop wants. But the problem is
    that something like that is really a complex program to support. The biggest thing that turned me away from doing that, was for the reason that if it does not work the first time, Sysops would just say "It sucks", not appreciating what it is that is trying to be accomplished.

    When I took over the D'Bridge code from the original author in 2004/2005, I was handed quite the task of even removing MS-DOS Share support (don't ask), and then how do I make it do Binkd? I must have spent MANY nights trying to figure out the best way. Then I decided to take the path of least resistance - Just "wedge" it between the existing mailer Queue and the open-source BinkD. Simply put, D'Bridge just ships with whatever the current/stable version of BinkD for Win32 or OS/2. I took the path of least resistance... or drama.

    It worked out nicely because, if the open-source BinkD gets updated by the Russians with new features, connection, encryption... whatever, the D'Bridge Sysop can just drop-in the replacement. The mailer Queue code that I wrote just converts the proprietary Base36 into BSO format. Thats all it does and it works flawlessly. At that point I just said "There you go, lets move onward".

    When I saw the headaches you had with getting Mystic to talk to Irex, I'm like, "That poor bastard" Lol

    Oh yep I know. Thats one of the offenders with me too. Not surprising I suppose. And if I am not mistaken, didn't that person not even write the tosser they just got the code afterwards and slapped their name on it in obnoxious ways? I remember giving him shit about the credits lol

    That author's other job is to act as the self-appointed Nodelist Police, but thats another story. I don't like talking too much shit about others but its amusing that as much criticism I take, he (and others like him) are quick to Areafix/Allfix stuff from my system. If I'm doing such a shit job, why bother to set up a full feed?

    Now its opened sourced though, and I eventually hacked just the protocols in Mystic's code similar to what you will have to do (this is where Mystic's X/ modem come from).

    The one thing that was interesting when I looked at the Zmodem code in D'Bridge was that it was written with something which must have been unique for its time... Split screen chat during file transfers. The datestamp of that code I believe was 1990/1991, something like that. Not even any assembler stuff, it was pure Pascal even for the CRC32.

    Atreyu

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  • From g00r00@21:1/112 to Atreyu on Sat Dec 22 22:28:18 2018
    Oh man you lucked out by NOT writing an Irex replacement. That it something pretty much *every* long-time Sysop wants. But the problem is that something like that is really a complex program to support. The

    Well, its pretty much already a part of Mystic now. My version of IREX was going to go a step further since it would have included the message tosser
    too. All of the BINKP/FTP/Directory mailers are in Mystic instead. FTP,
    NNTP servers, etc all in Mystic.

    that if it does not work the first time, Sysops would just say "It
    sucks", not appreciating what it is that is trying to be accomplished.

    Yep I agree. It takes a while to get it right and the way some people behave is just ridiculous.

    take the path of least resistance - Just "wedge" it between the existing mailer Queue and the open-source BinkD. Simply put, D'Bridge just ships with whatever the current/stable version of BinkD for Win32 or OS/2. I took the path of least resistance... or drama.

    Not a bad idea if you are okay with it. BINKD is well tested, and developing BINKP was quite annoying because of the various implementations that are problematic but were never fixed. Mystic had its issues along the way, but I was quick to address them. Things like MBSE, Argus and IREX have problems
    that will never be addressed (actually not sure about MBSE anymore).

    It worked out nicely because, if the open-source BinkD gets updated by
    the Russians with new features, connection, encryption... whatever, the D'Bridge Sysop can just drop-in the replacement. The mailer Queue code that I wrote just converts the proprietary Base36 into BSO format. Thats all it does and it works flawlessly. At that point I just said "There
    you go, lets move onward".

    Sounds pretty cool. One of these days I'll have to download D'Bridge... Its been a really really long time since I looked at any of the traditional mailers!

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  • From KrUpTiOn@21:2/105.1 to Black Panther on Wed Dec 26 02:34:18 2018
    Re: Re: 3D SEEN-BY
    By: Black Panther to Atreyu on Fri Dec 21 2018 09:07 pm

    On 12/21/18, Atreyu said the following...

    Perhaps we need to add some echos to Fidonet...

    ANAL_BLEACHING
    MASTURBATION
    MANSCAPING

    I vote for you for moderator of these new echos. ;)


    LOL!!!


    I have a funny feeling those would be the most active echos in FIdoNet history! Regards,
    KrUpTiOn
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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to KrUpTiOn on Wed Dec 26 16:22:22 2018
    On 12/26/18, KrUpTiOn said the following...

    Perhaps we need to add some echos to Fidonet...

    ANAL_BLEACHING
    MASTURBATION
    MANSCAPING

    I vote for you for moderator of these new echos. ;)

    I have a funny feeling those would be the most active echos in FIdoNet history! Regards,

    Maybe that's what Fido needs to get more people interested again...


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  • From Andrew Leary@21:4/105 to g00r00 on Fri Dec 28 02:57:10 2018
    Hello g00r00!

    22 Dec 18 22:28, you wrote to Atreyu:

    Not a bad idea if you are okay with it. BINKD is well tested, and developing BINKP was quite annoying because of the various
    implementations that are problematic but were never fixed. Mystic had
    its issues along the way, but I was quick to address them. Things
    like MBSE, Argus and IREX have problems that will never be addressed (actually not sure about MBSE anymore).

    If you have documented evidence of a BinkP problem in MBSE, I'd like to see it. I've been through the code more times than I can count, and am not aware of any issues. It does have several work arounds in it for bugs in other BinkP mailers (Taurus and IREX, IIRC.) I do have an issue connecting with 1 downlink who runs Mystic 1.11, but I believe this is caused by a bug in Mystic that you fixed a while ago, since I connect to several Mystic 1.12 systems many times a day without issues.

    Andrew

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