Re: Routing netmail problem
By: Digital Man to Andre on Sun Feb 14 2021 02:04 pm

Re: Routing netmail problem
By: Andre to All on Sat Feb 06 2021 09:43 am

I'm really struggling here with routing netmail. I added fsxNet using the init script (which has some fatal fsxNet issues I'll submit a bug report or change for).

Did you submit a bug report yet?

Still haven't seen that bug report. :-(
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Re: Re: Routing netmail probl
By: Bob Roberts to Andre on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:11 am

There is a global setting for all Netmail. I just checked... It's in SCFG, Networks, Fidonet. Netmail Defaults to Crash/Direct etc.

Hi Rob,

I just ran in to this issue myself (I am quoting a message from February '21), where this setting seems to be an override, not a default. If one sets netmail to crash in scfg, routing in sbbsecho.ini is ignored.

I was wondering if the intention was for this to override everything or if it should simply be a default except where routing configuration elsewhere is in play?

Thanks.

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Re: Re: Routing netmail problem
By: Trikester to Digital Man on Sat Jan 08 2022 04:16 pm

Re: Re: Routing netmail probl
By: Bob Roberts to Andre on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:11 am

There is a global setting for all Netmail. I just checked... It's in SCFG, Networks, Fidonet. Netmail Defaults to Crash/Direct etc.

Hi Rob,

I just ran in to this issue myself (I am quoting a message from February '21), where this setting seems to be an override, not a default. If one sets netmail to crash in scfg, routing in sbbsecho.ini is ignored.

I was wondering if the intention was for this to override everything or if it should simply be a default except where routing configuration elsewhere is in play?

I don't really understand the question. "Crash" (for FidoNet) means immediate and direct. So... by definition, not routed.
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Re: Re: Routing netmail problem
By: Digital Man to Trikester on Sat Jan 08 2022 10:33 pm

There is a global setting for all Netmail. I just checked... It's in SCFG, Networks, Fidonet. Netmail Defaults to Crash/Direct etc.

Hi Rob,

I just ran in to this issue myself (I am quoting a message from February '21), where this setting seems to be an override, not a default. If one sets netmail to crash in scfg, routing in sbbsecho.ini is ignored.

I was wondering if the intention was for this to override everything or if it should simply be a default except where routing configuration elsewhere is in play?

I don't really understand the question. "Crash" (for FidoNet) means immediate and direct. So... by definition, not routed.

Hmm... I guess I see it as the "Defaults to..." wording in the setting suggests it would be a setting that could be overridden elsewhere. If it's not set elsewhere, netmail would default to crash.

But, since we're able to configure in sbbsecho.ini various settings for nodes, hubs, and turn routing on or off, things that should affect mail delivery, then when netmail is posted to a node affected by those settings that the 'defaults' should no longer apply?

ie: Because of it's overriding nature, it's easier to set up no crash mail except for the nodes you want mail crashed to, than to crash to most nodes but have some that you don't crash to and route elsewhere.

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On 2022 Jan 09 09:15:58, you wrote to Digital Man:

ie: Because of it's overriding nature, it's easier to set up no crash mail except for the nodes you want mail crashed to, than to crash to most nodes but have some that you don't crash to and route elsewhere.

remember that there is a difference between setting a netmail message to crash and the routing statement of crash which is for packets and bundles... netmail with normal status can easily be packed into packets routed with crash status... the reverse, on the other hand, is not a good thing, though...

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Re: Re: Routing netmail problem
By: Trikester to Digital Man on Sun Jan 09 2022 09:15 am

Re: Re: Routing netmail problem
By: Digital Man to Trikester on Sat Jan 08 2022 10:33 pm

There is a global setting for all Netmail. I just checked... It's in SCFG, Networks, Fidonet. Netmail Defaults to Crash/Direct etc.

Hi Rob,

I just ran in to this issue myself (I am quoting a message from February '21), where this setting seems to be an override, not a default. If one sets netmail to crash in scfg, routing in sbbsecho.ini is ignored.

I was wondering if the intention was for this to override everything or if it should simply be a default except where routing configuration elsewhere is in play?

I don't really understand the question. "Crash" (for FidoNet) means immediate and direct. So... by definition, not routed.

Hmm... I guess I see it as the "Defaults to..." wording in the setting suggests it would be a setting that could be overridden elsewhere. If it's not set elsewhere, netmail would default to crash.

That's correct, and that "elsewhere" is in the subject of the message. https://synchro.net/docs/networking.html#SendingFidoNetNetMail

But if you're setting is for netmail to be sent as crash (in SCFG), then all netmail created within the terminal server will be set to crash.

But, since we're able to configure in sbbsecho.ini various settings for nodes, hubs, and turn routing on or off, things that should affect mail delivery, then when netmail is posted to a node affected by those settings that the 'defaults' should no longer apply?

The terminal server has no knowledge of what nodes you have configured in sbbsecho.ini. And I don't really see the connection either. The SCFG setting you're talking about is impacting how netmail is created by the terminal server (BBS users using the traditional BBS user experience).

ie: Because of it's overriding nature, it's easier to set up no crash mail except for the nodes you want mail crashed to, than to crash to most nodes but have some that you don't crash to and route elsewhere.

If you don't want to crash netmail (created in the terminal server) to all nodes, then don't set that SCFG setting to crash.
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Re: Re: Routing netmail problem
By: Digital Man to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 01:02 pm

Thanks muchly for the additional info. Between your and Mark's extra information I have a better understanding why that's the way that it is.

I have definitely un-set it in scfg.

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