Hello everyone,

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to check if netmail routing is happening OK.


Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Regards,

--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

* Originally in fidotest
* Crossposted in netmail

Hi Flavio.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Ok. ;)

'Tommi

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Hi Flavio,

On 2021-01-14 12:44:03, you wrote to All:

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to
check if netmail routing is happening OK.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Routed netmail is send.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On 14 Jan 2021, Flavio Bessa said the following...

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Just sent you a routed netmail.


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hello Flavio!

On 14 Jan 2021, Flavio Bessa said the following...

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Will do!

Best regards
Bj�rn

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (2:201/137)

Re: Testing Netmails
By: Flavio Bessa to All on Thu Jan 14 2021 12:44 pm

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to check if netmail routing is happening OK.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Here you go, I hope this netmail reaches you in good health.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

... Freedom of the press is limited to those who have one.
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Flavio wrote:

Hello everyone,

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to check if netmail routing is happening OK.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Regards,

Sent from 1:124/5016.
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On 14/01/21 10:17, Tommi Koivula -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

* Originally in fidotest
* Crossposted in netmail

Hi Flavio.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Ok. ;)

Thanks Tommi, got your netmail OK and replied.

--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
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On 14/01/21 11:50, Jay Harris -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

On 14 Jan 2021, Flavio Bessa said the following...

 FB>> Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Just sent you a routed netmail.

Thanks, Jay! In your case, your origin address came as 4:80/1, which was
weird.


I had to change manually your address to reply. Let me know if it arrives
there.

--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 14/01/21 10:27, Wilfred van Velzen -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

Hi Flavio,

On 2021-01-14 12:44:03, you wrote to All:

 FB>> We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to
 FB>> check if netmail routing is happening OK.

 FB>> Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Routed netmail is send.

For some weird reason, I did not receive your netmail.

--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 14/01/21 15:28, Björn Wiberg -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

Hello Flavio!

On 14 Jan 2021, Flavio Bessa said the following...

 FB>> Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Will do!

Thanks! I haven't received it yet.


--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 14/01/21 16:11, Alan Ianson -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

  Re: Testing Netmails
  By: Flavio Bessa to All on Thu Jan 14 2021 12:44 pm

 FB>> We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to

check

 FB>> if netmail routing is happening OK.

 FB>> Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Here you go, I hope this netmail reaches you in good health.. :)

Loud and clear, thank you!

--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 14/01/21 19:52, Nigel Reed -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

Flavio wrote:

Hello everyone,

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to
check if
netmail routing is happening OK.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Regards,

Sent from 1:124/5016.

Haven't received it yet.


--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

Hi Flavio.

15 Jan 21 04:47, you wrote to me:

Thanks Tommi, got your netmail OK

Good!

and replied.

No reply yet...

'Tommi

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Hi Flavio.

15 Jan 21 04:47, you wrote to me:

Thanks Tommi, got your netmail OK and replied.

BTW, neither of your nodes doesn't work.

tommi@rpi:~$ host saturnsorbit.hopto.org
Host saturnsorbit.hopto.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
tommi@rpi:~$ host titansorbit.ddns.net
Host titansorbit.ddns.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

'Tommi

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Hello fcbessa,

On Friday January 15 2021 04:51, Flavio Bessa wrote to Nigel Reed:

@MSGID: 4:801/188 60011f66
@REPLY: 5688.fido_fidotest@1:124/5016 24661756
@PID: JamNNTPd 20161111
@TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A42
@REPLYADDR [email protected]

My golded gets confused by this kludge. As you can see, it puts the e-mail addess in the TO: field.

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to
check if netmail routing is happening OK.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at
4:801/188.

Yesterday I sent a netmail routed via Angel Ripoll, 2:34/0. Also with the email address in the TO: field..


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Flavio,

On 2021-01-15 04:50:41, you wrote to me:

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at
4:801/188.

Routed netmail is send.

For some weird reason, I did not receive your netmail.

I don't know if it's weird, it just means there is a problem with netmail routing. ;)

I'll try another one as a 'PING' message. Maybe I tet some clues about the route it takes...

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On 15 Jan 2021, Flavio Bessa said the following...

Thanks, Jay! In your case, your origin address came as 4:80/1,
which was weird.

I had to change manually your address to reply. Let me know if it
arrives there.

Haven't received anything as of yet.


Jay

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* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Flavio wrote:

On 14/01/21 19:52, Nigel Reed -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

Flavio wrote:

Hello everyone,

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to
check if
netmail routing is happening OK.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Regards,

Sent from 1:124/5016.

Haven't received it yet.

I may have had an issue with my config. I've sent another. If you don't get it within a couple of days I'll ask my hub to check up on it.
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On 15/01/21 02:55, Tommi Koivula -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

and replied.

No reply yet...

That's bad, I did reply...


--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 15/01/21 03:06, Tommi Koivula -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

Hi Flavio.

15 Jan 21 04:47, you wrote to me:

Thanks Tommi, got your netmail OK and replied.

BTW, neither of your nodes doesn't work.

tommi@rpi:~$ host saturnsorbit.hopto.org
Host saturnsorbit.hopto.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
tommi@rpi:~$ host titansorbit.ddns.net
Host titansorbit.ddns.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Yes. Titan's Orbit was an experimental system and was deactivated. And at
Saturn's Orbit I had an issue with the DDNS provider and had to change the URL to saturnsorbit.ddns.net.

I have asked the nodelist to be updated (there has been a lot of changes at
R80 in the past few weeks) but our ZC is having issues on sending the new nodelist out.


--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 15/01/21 07:50, Michiel van der Vlist -> [email protected] wrote:
MvdV> Hello fcbessa,

MvdV> On Friday January 15 2021 04:51, Flavio Bessa wrote to Nigel Reed:

 FB>> @MSGID: 4:801/188 60011f66
 FB>> @REPLY: 5688.fido_fidotest@1:124/5016 24661756
 FB>> @PID: JamNNTPd 20161111
 FB>> @TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A42
 FB>> @REPLYADDR [email protected]

MvdV> My golded gets confused by this kludge. As you can see, it puts the e-mail
MvdV> addess in the TO: field.

From what I could understand here the @REPLYADDR is added by the E-mail
address field at Thunderbird. I have replaced it by my own name, please let me know if something changed.

; We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to
; check if netmail routing is happening OK.

; Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at
; 4:801/188.

MvdV> Yesterday I sent a netmail routed via Angel Ripoll, 2:34/0. Also with
MvdV> the email
MvdV>  address in the TO: field..

I will check with Angel. I indeed do have a feed through him and we exchange
mail frequently, something might have gotten stuck there.

Thanks again!


--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

Hello everyone,

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to check if netmail routing is happening OK.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Sent.

Mike


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On 15/01/21 08:14, Wilfred van Velzen -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

Hi Flavio,

I don't know if it's weird, it just means there is a problem with

netmail

routing. ;)

I'll try another one as a 'PING' message. Maybe I tet some clues about

the

route it takes...

Thanks! Let me know of your findings...


--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 15.01.2021 22:01, Flavio Bessa wrote:

 FB>> @MSGID: 4:801/188 60011f66
 FB>> @REPLY: 5688.fido_fidotest@1:124/5016 24661756
 FB>> @PID: JamNNTPd 20161111
 FB>> @TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A42
 FB>> @REPLYADDR [email protected]

MvdV> My golded gets confused by this kludge. As you can see, it puts the
MvdV> e-mail addess in the TO: field.

From what I could understand here the @REPLYADDR is added by the E-mail address field at Thunderbird. I have replaced it by my own name, please let

me

know if something changed.

In jamnntpd config you can set "noreplyaddr". Then it won't add @replyaddr kludge at all.

'Tommi

---
* Origin: rbb inngate (2:221/1.11)

Hi Flavio,

On 2021-01-15 22:02:15, you wrote to me:

I'll try another one as a 'PING' message. Maybe I tet some clues
about the route it takes...

Thanks! Let me know of your findings...

Nothing comes back.

I've asked my uplink, where I route netmail for Zone 4, where he is routing to. So I'm going to try and trace it "manually".

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello Flavio,

On Friday January 15 2021 22:01, you wrote to me:

àFB>>> @REPLYADDR [email protected]

MvdV>> My golded gets confused by this kludge. As you can see, it puts
MvdV>> the e-mail addess in the TO: field.

From what I could understand here the @REPLYADDR is added by
the E-mail address field at Thunderbird. I have replaced it by my own name, please let me know if something changed.

Golded now puts your name in the To: field

I just send you another netmail routed via 2:34/0.


Cheers, Michiel

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On 16 Jan 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

I've asked my uplink, where I route netmail for Zone 4, where he is routing to.

I've sent Flavio a netmail from this address as well, but so far I am unsure
if he received it, as I haven't seen a reply.

I'm not sure if itps related or not, but I have been unable to connect with
my Z4 Boss on my Z4 point in a little while either.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)

Charles,

I've sent Flavio a netmail from this address as well, but so far I am unsure if he received it, as I haven't seen a reply.

It is not unusual for Z1-bound or Z1-originating netmails to end up in a black hole.

The reason for that is the old nonsensical routing schemes from the old days where the power-people routed netmail away from the nodelist topology.

Power-lords changed or vanished and with them the non-standard routing tracks too, often making netmail undeliverable. In my zone too, individuals have been involved in setting up their own routing business making netmail sometimes fail.

In this zone, if someone has out-of-zone netmail and delivers it to my system, then it will guaranteed reach the correct destination zone.

In your zone, make certain it gets delivered to Nick Andre, he doesn't lose netmail and will deliver it at the correct zone too.

Simple. No?

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Dec.21 2020
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Hi Flavio,

On 2021-01-16 11:55:07, I wrote to you:

I'll try another one as a 'PING' message. Maybe I tet some clues
about the route it takes...

Thanks! Let me know of your findings...

Nothing comes back.

I've asked my uplink, where I route netmail for Zone 4, where he is

routing

to. So I'm going to try and trace it "manually".

My uplink (2:280/5003) tells me he has a direct link with you. There were the hostname issues, and now there might be a password problem for the secure link between your systems. So there might be some pkts waiting for processing in your insecure inbound...

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Charles,

On 2021-01-16 07:16:01, you wrote to me:

I've asked my uplink, where I route netmail for Zone 4, where he is
routing to.

I've sent Flavio a netmail from this address as well, but so far I am unsure if he received it, as I haven't seen a reply.

I'm not sure if itps related or not, but I have been unable to connect

with

my Z4 Boss on my Z4 point in a little while either.

The problem for my routed netmail to him has been explained (see my echomail to Flavio in here). And I don't think it's directly related to your problems, but might have partly the same cause: the hostname issues for Flavio's system.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On 15/01/21 19:48, Mike Powell -> FLAVIO BESSA wrote:

Hello everyone,

We've been through a change here at Region 80, and I would like to
check if
netmail routing is happening OK.

Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Sent.

Thanks Mike, got your netmail here, just replied it.

--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 16/01/21 09:40, Michiel van der Vlist -> Flavio Bessa wrote:
MvdV> Hello Flavio,

MvdV> On Friday January 15 2021 22:01, you wrote to me:


MvdV> Golded now puts your name in the To: field

MvdV> I just send you another netmail routed via 2:34/0.

Got you here! Let me know if my reply arrived to you...




--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 16/01/21 05:39, Tommi Koivula -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

In jamnntpd config you can set "noreplyaddr". Then it won't add

@replyaddr

kludge at all.

Thanks for the tip, I will check my config then.


--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 16/01/21 07:55, Wilfred van Velzen -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

Nothing comes back.

I've asked my uplink, where I route netmail for Zone 4, where he is routing to.
 So I'm going to try and trace it "manually".

Thanks!

--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

On 16/01/21 10:16, Charles Pierson -> Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

On 16 Jan 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

 Wv>> I've asked my uplink, where I route netmail for Zone 4, where he is
 Wv>> routing to.

I've sent Flavio a netmail from this address as well, but so far I am unsure
if he received it, as I haven't seen a reply.

I'm not sure if itps related or not, but I have been unable to connect

with

my Z4 Boss on my Z4 point in a little while either.

Hello Charles,

I just double-checked and haven't received your netmail either.

Let me know who is your Z4 boss, I can contact him and check what happened.


--
Flavio Bessa - 4:801/188 - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[email protected]

--- Thunderbird/MacOS 78.6.0
* Origin: Andromeda - Saturn's Orbit NNTP Gateway (4:801/188)

Hello Flavio,

On Saturday January 16 2021 19:07, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> I just send you another netmail routed via 2:34/0.

Got you here!

Good!

Let me know if my reply arrived to you...

Not yet...


Cheers, Michiel

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On 16 Jan 2021, Ward Dossche said the following...

It is not unusual for Z1-bound or Z1-originating netmails to end up in a black hole.

The reason for that is the old nonsensical routing schemes from the old days where the power-people routed netmail away from the nodelist topology.
Power-lords changed or vanished and with them the non-standard routing tracks too, often making netmail undeliverable. In my zone too, individuals have been involved in setting up their own routing business making netmail sometimes fail.

In this zone, if someone has out-of-zone netmail and delivers it to my system, then it will guaranteed reach the correct destination zone.

In your zone, make certain it gets delivered to Nick Andre, he doesn't lose netmail and will deliver it at the correct zone too.

Simple. No?

It makes sense, although I'm actually getting my feed through Z2, just to add interest to the mix. I have a Boss node there from one of my points that always has been consistant service for me, so when I got an actual node I
asked if I could get my feed through him.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)

Hello Flavio,

Saturday January 16 2021 23:33, I wrote to you:

MvdV>>> I just send you another netmail routed via 2:34/0.

Got you here!

Good!

Let me know if my reply arrived to you...

Not yet...

Now I discovered another problem:

D:\FIDO6\BINKD>ping saturnsorbit.hopto.org
Ping-Anforderung konnte Host "saturnsorbit.hopto.org" nicht finden. Überprüfen Sie den Namen, und versuchen Sie es erneut.

The nodelisted hostname for your system does not resolve. I can not make a direct connect to your system.


Cheers, Michiel

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Would appreciate if anyone could send me a netmail. I'm at 4:801/188.

Sent.

Thanks Mike, got your netmail here, just replied it.

I have not yet received a response via netmail, but I did get your reply
here.

Mike


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