Hi!

The Fidoweb is here!

This is news for me. :-o

I've just found some statistics about FidoWeb (from 2016 to 2019) but nothing else than this, after 2019...

Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
By EchoTime, 2:203/0

(Some nets may have lost their last
digit for technical reasons)

pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
nodes mean dev no mean dev no

I can't see what is Fidoweb.

It's something related to parallel routing?

To increase the number of uplinks?

How to manage the dupe flooding?

Where can I find info about FidoWeb?


Thanks in advance...


A reveure!!
Enric

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Hi!

The Fidoweb is here!

This is news for me. :-o

I've just found some statistics about FidoWeb (from 2016 to 2019) but nothing else than this, after 2019...

Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
By EchoTime, 2:203/0

(Some nets may have lost their last
digit for technical reasons)

pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
nodes mean dev no mean dev no

I can't see what is Fidoweb.

The fidoweb is from Z2. Many nodes connect together to mesh the message areas.

It results in many dupes and little loss.

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It results in many dupes and little loss.

And if the system is set-up correctly with decent software, then it doesn't matter. The dupes are filtered-out and all is well.

\%/@rd

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It results in many dupes and little loss.

And if the system is set-up correctly with decent software, then it doesn't matter. The dupes are filtered-out and all is well.

Indeed, the dupes are unavoidable if you want to get to little loss or better, zero loss.

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Hi Enric,

On 2026-07-27 07:27:30, you wrote to All:

The Fidoweb is here!

This is news for me. :-o

Where can I find info about FidoWeb?

A more technical article can be found here:

http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/FNEWST40.ZIP

"Notes on a topless echomail distribution system"


Bye, Wilfred.

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Enric Lleal Serra -> All skrev 2026-07-27 08:27:

Where can I find info about FidoWeb?

Didn't I just give you that in the article? ;)

The weekly FidoWeb statistics is always in the Snooze, not only "from 2016 to 2019".

If you don't know the meaning of "mean" and "deviation", just ask. Either me or Google.

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On 2026 Jul 27 03:16:40, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

It results in many dupes and little loss.

And if the system is set-up correctly with decent software, then it
doesn't matter. The dupes are filtered-out and all is well.

Indeed, the dupes are unavoidable if you want to get to little loss or better, zero loss.

don't forget bypassing feed cuts which also negates moderators...

)\/(ark

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"The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"

This reminds me of Felix Kasza.

\%/@rd

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Indeed, the dupes are unavoidable if you want to get to little loss or
better, zero loss.

don't forget bypassing feed cuts which also negates moderators...

That's true. If a feed cut was ever wanted by a moderator you would need the support of those nodes in Z2 to implement it.

Fidonet is truly a free speech network. I'm not making a judgement if that is good or bad just saying that is the case.

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Hi Alan,

I can't see what is Fidoweb.

The fidoweb is from Z2. Many nodes connect together to mesh the message areas.
It results in many dupes and little loss.

I think I got it. Thank you!


A reveure!!
Enric

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Hi Wilfred,

Where can I find info about FidoWeb?

A more technical article can be found here:

Understood. The NADS... ;-m It's curious...

Thank you.


A reveure!!
Enric

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Hi Bj�rn,

Didn't I just give you that in the article? ;)

Yes, yes... I understand the concept now.

What I don't understand is its application: aren't there any regulations regarding this? Is it permitted to link to any node, without location restrictions? Can all echomail be exchanged with all nodes? Does netmail only respect the link/routing structure when it's not a direct netmail?

I assume all the answers are: Yes.

Interesting. I will check with my colleagues from R34. ;-)

If you don't know the meaning of "mean" and "deviation", just ask. Either me or Google.

Do these concepts apply to our conversation? :-? Is there a minimum and maximum number of links allowed in the NADS/FidoWeb setting up?


A reveure!!
Enric

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Hi Bj�rn,

The weekly FidoWeb statistics is always in the Snooze, not only "from 2016
to 2019".

Sorry, I missed this point: you're right, there are a lot of numbers with this topic, beyond my dates.

A reveure!!
Enric

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Alan,

That's true. If a feed cut was ever wanted by a moderator you would need the support of those nodes in Z2 to implement it.

I don't think a feed-cut has ever really worked. Someone was always willing to help. I found that out in 1994 ...

Fidonet is truly a free speech network. I'm not making a judgement if
that is good or bad just saying that is the case.

100% ... however, never was it implied that several of those practicing the free speech had intellectual levels matching that desire .... meaning there was nothing noteworthy to notice in their words. Attempting to insult someone is an action of 'free speech', but what does it achieve?

Plus, after so many years you know the flock and can accurately predict who will react about what and how.

\%/@rd

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Hello Alan,

On Monday July 27 2026 16:40, you wrote to mark lewis:

don't forget bypassing feed cuts which also negates moderators...

That's true. If a feed cut was ever wanted by a moderator you would
need the support of those nodes in Z2 to implement it.

That the Fidoweb is a Z2 thing is a misunderstanding. Nodes from al zones are particpating.

See my Fidonews article. http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/FNEWST40.ZIP

"Notes on a topless echomail distribution system"

What is now called the Fidoweb actually started with a link between me and Roy Witt to bypass the blockade set up by the instigators of the Fidonews coup.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Enric,

On 2026-07-28 07:06:18, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

I can't see what is Fidoweb.

The fidoweb is from Z2. Many nodes connect together to mesh the message
areas. It results in many dupes and little loss.

I think I got it. Thank you!

It's not a Z2 specific thing!

And btw the fidoweb is a concept, not an entity you must join, or proclaim to be part of.

Basically anyone with more then 1 link (that isn't a "leaf node") is part of the fidoweb, if they like it or not. ;-)

So Alan is also part of the fidoweb. ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Enric,

On 2026-07-28 07:19:42, you wrote to Bj�rn Felten:

What I don't understand is its application:

Make echomail (feeds) fail tolerant, and thus more reliable.

aren't there any regulations regarding this?

No. Fidonet is an anarchy anyway. ;-)

Is it permitted to link to any node,

Yes.

without location restrictions?

Yes.

Can all echomail be exchanged with all nodes?

Basically yes. But some areas have their own resctrictions.

Does netmail only respect the link/routing structure when it's not a direct netmail?

I don't understand the question. Those are two different things: direct and routed netmail.
- A direct netmail, is delivered directly at it's destination.
- A routed netmail just follows the configured route on each system it travels through.

Btw: The fidoweb has nothing to do with netmail.

I assume all the answers are: Yes.

No. ;-)

Is there a minimum and maximum number of links allowed in the NADS/FidoWeb setting up?

With 1 link you are not following the fidoweb concept. With 2 it depends on who you have linked to. But the minimum number of links is 2.

The maximum is the number of nodes in the nodelist. ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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On 2026 Jul 28 11:52:48, you wrote to Enric Lleal Serra:

Is there a minimum and maximum number of links allowed in the
NADS/FidoWeb setting up?

With 1 link you are not following the fidoweb concept. With 2 it depends on
who you have linked to. But the minimum number of links is 2.

you keep leaving out the key fundamental aspect of the "web"... that aspect being "more than one link per echo"... going by what you wrote, having one link for echoA and one link for echoB follows the concept... but that's how all echos were once distributed back when making long distance and/or international phone calls cost $$$...

having more than one link for an echo is key... especially when those two links are connected to each other in a triangle fashion... more than 2 links in one echo becomes a "fully connected polygon" with some legs being longer than others... that's what the various "backbone star hubs" in the various backbones did from the beginning... it is no different other than there now being many ad hoc polygons for some echos...

all in all, the web opened people's eyes in the same manner that satellite distribution opened people's eyes... both showed that each system can connect to any other system they have an agreement with and exchange mail... many thought the "branches of a tree" distribution flow was "forced" when it never was... people chose to use those distribution branches to keep their phone bills at a manageable level... this also meant they agreed to whatever restrictions may have been in place in that distribution system...

some did not agree and found their own links for the echos they were interested in... sure, they had a larger phone bill but they got what they wanted when and how they wanted it... eg: some systems made only one or two calls to their feed per day... others called on-demand at any time... this made some feeds faster than others but this carried that additional $$$ cost, too...

in some places in the world, all phone calls costs $$$... in other places, local calls were free... where fido started, here in North America, local calls were free and it made sense to have one system in each local area distribute mail from calls to a/some system(s) in other areas... areas that were long distance calls and thus incurred a cost... generally this was the NC of the local area making those calls and thus was born the net coordinators doing the heavy lifting of getting the mail from/to other nets for further distribution... it was quite organic and made sense, really...

)\/(ark

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Hi mark,

On 2026-07-28 08:04:08, you wrote to me:

Is there a minimum and maximum number of links allowed in the
NADS/FidoWeb setting up?

With 1 link you are not following the fidoweb concept. With 2 it depends
on who you have linked to. But the minimum number of links is 2.

you keep leaving out the key fundamental aspect of the "web"... that aspect
being "more than one link per echo"... going by what you wrote, having one link for echoA and one link for echoB follows the concept...

You are right of course, and it was what I meant, but didn't write down clearly...

but that's how all echos were once distributed back when making long distance and/or international phone calls cost $$$...

Indeed, before the internet, most or all links were cost driven. So a branch system made more sense...

And it took a trigger (the fidonews coupe), to make people realize the branch system wasn't necessary anymore, and a mesh system made much more sense.

having more than one link for an echo is key... especially when those
two links are connected to each other in a triangle fashion... more
than 2 links in one echo becomes a "fully connected polygon" with some legs being longer than others...

A fully connected polygon (where every node is connected to every other node connected to an area), isn't what you want. The seenby's would become quite big. ;-) And there wouldn't be any dupes. And you want some dupes, to have redundancy...

that's what the various "backbone star hubs" in the various backbones
did from the beginning... it is no different other than there now
being many ad hoc polygons for some echos...

all in all, the web opened people's eyes in the same manner that satellite distribution opened people's eyes...

Indeed.

both showed that each system can connect to any other system they have
an agreement with and exchange mail... many thought the "branches of a tree" distribution flow was "forced" when it never was...

It was "forced" by cost.

people chose to use those distribution branches to keep their phone
bills at a manageable level... this also meant they agreed to whatever restrictions may have been in place in that distribution system...

Because there wasn't much choice.

some did not agree and found their own links for the echos they were interested in... sure, they had a larger phone bill but they got what they wanted when and how they wanted it... eg: some systems made only one or two
calls to their feed per day... others called on-demand at any time... this made some feeds faster than others but this carried that additional $$$ cost,
too...

You could do that for a few areas, but doing it the way it is done now, would have cost way too much...


Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred,

The maximum is the number of nodes in the nodelist. ;-)

Minus one.

\%/@rd

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Michiel,

That the Fidoweb is a Z2 thing is a misunderstanding. Nodes from al zones are particpating.

100%

What is now called the Fidoweb actually started with a link between me
and Roy Witt to bypass the blockade set up by the instigators of the Fidonews coup.

Janis Kracht, Bob Seaborn, Roy Witt ... they're all dead. That's a coincidence.

\%/@rd

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Hi Ward,

On 2026-07-28 21:59:37, you wrote to me:

The maximum is the number of nodes in the nodelist. ;-)

Minus one.

You are sharp, today! ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Wilfred,

It's not a Z2 specific thing!

Angel and Carlos have introduced me how are they managing this. I think I have it clear...

And btw the fidoweb is a concept, not an entity you must join, or proclaim to be part of.

Maybe it's the reason for the obfuscation and darkness involving this... :-DDD People use it but don't talk about it (like the Fight Club).

Basically anyone with more then 1 link (that isn't a "leaf node") is part of the fidoweb, if they like it or not. ;-)

Thank you, Wilfred...

So Alan is also part of the fidoweb. ;-)

Acknowledge!


A reveure!!
Enric


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Hi Wilfred,

What I don't understand is its application:

Make echomail (feeds) fail tolerant, and thus more reliable.

I referred to how to implement it: I contact via netmail a SysOp of my choose? Does it have to be something public "ey! I need some links!" ?

Btw: The fidoweb has nothing to do with netmail.

This was my rhetorical point. :-) Thanks to confirm.

The maximum is the number of nodes in the nodelist. ;-)

Very illustrative. Thanks again, Wilfred.


A reveure!!
Enric

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Hi Enric,

On 2026-07-29 07:13:04, you wrote to me:

What I don't understand is its application:

Make echomail (feeds) fail tolerant, and thus more reliable.

I referred to how to implement it: I contact via netmail a SysOp of my choose?

Yes.

Does it have to be something public "ey! I need some links!" ?

Could also work. ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Wilfred,

I contact via netmail a SysOp of my choose?

Yes.

Great. I'll do it once I get the whole backbone linked with my current link.

Does it have to be something public "ey! I need some links!" ?

Could also work. ;-)

X-DD It will be interesting to see...


A reveure!!
Enric


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Enric,

Great. I'll do it once I get the whole backbone linked with my current link.

What's a backbone?

\%/@rd

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Hi Alan,

There is a backbone although some like to call it something else.

Yep. Until two days ago, I thought that the FidoNet structure was the hierarchical one I've read from the docs. Now I see that the thing is a little bit complex due to human condition.

I'm wondering if the echolist -as some kind of echo reference- would be

That is what the echolist is. It doesn't list every echo but it lists known echoes at least and if moderators wish it they can list their echoes there.

I can only see it in a positive light: when I look around to get information about an echo before to link it, it seems it's the only way to get it as it's difficult to find an updated .na file.

A reveure!!
Enric

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Hi Ward,

Yes, there are no backbones anymore and at the same time we are all together one single big backbone. No-one has power ...

If we wanted to explain this to the world, could we describe this situation as a case of Fidonet self-regulation and the evolution of the distribution model (from star to matrix) when human behaviour forces the network or attempts to corrupt it? Would you agree with this conclusion, Ward?

A reveure!!
Enric

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Enric,

If we wanted to explain this to the world, could we describe this
situation as a case of Fidonet self-regulation and the evolution of the distribution model (from star to matrix) when human behaviour forces the network or attempts to corrupt it? Would you agree with this conclusion, Ward?

I think that is well worded.

The word 'anarchy' came to mind but there is poetry in your description.

\%/@rd

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There is a backbone although some like to call it something else.

Yep. Until two days ago, I thought that the FidoNet structure was the hierarchical one I've read from the docs. Now I see that the thing is a little bit complex due to human condition.

Yes, that's it.

I'm wondering if the echolist -as some kind of echo reference- would be

That is what the echolist is. It doesn't list every echo but it lists known >> echoes at least and if moderators wish it they can list their echoes there.

I can only see it in a positive light: when I look around to get information about an echo before to link it, it seems it's the only way to get it as it's difficult to find an updated .na file.

There is a BACKBONE.NA included in the monthly echolist archive hatched in the ECHOLIST file area.

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On 2026 Aug 03 08:07:56, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Hi Alan,

There is a backbone although some like to call it something else.

Yep. Until two days ago, I thought that the FidoNet structure was the hierarchical one I've read from the docs.

that's the administrative one... mail distribution is different (in Fidonet)... othernets may employ their own distribution system(s)... some do use the admin tree structure for distributed mail and even for the routing of netmail...

Now I see that the thing is a little bit complex due to human
condition.

kinda, yeah...

I'm wondering if the echolist -as some kind of echo reference- would
be

That is what the echolist is. It doesn't list every echo but it lists
known echoes at least and if moderators wish it they can list their
echoes there.

I can only see it in a positive light: when I look around to get information about an echo before to link it, it seems it's the only way to get it as it's difficult to find an updated .na file.

it isn't that difficult to find the echolist and NA/NO file(s)... the latest updated one(s) is/are distributed in its FDN each month IIRC...

)\/(ark

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Hi mark,

On 2026-08-03 07:42:46, you wrote to Enric Lleal Serra:

Yep. Until two days ago, I thought that the FidoNet structure was the
hierarchical one I've read from the docs.

that's the administrative one... mail distribution is different (in Fidonet)... othernets may employ their own distribution system(s)... some do
use the admin tree structure for distributed mail and even for the routing of
netmail...

That's how it is in AmigaNet. I would encourage "cross links", but nobody seems interested, as long as it works and there are no echomail feed problems...


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Ward,

network or attempts to corrupt it? Would you agree with this conclusion,

I think that is well worded.

Thanks!

The word 'anarchy' came to mind but there is poetry in your description.

The word "anarchy" has poetry in itself, too.


As I've told my fellow SysOps in R34, I'm happy to be rediscovering FidoNet after so many years.

A reveure!!
Enric


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Hi Alan,

difficult to find an updated .na file.

There is a BACKBONE.NA included in the monthly echolist archive hatched in the
ECHOLIST file area.

:-) I already have the file, and I'm in the process of linking the file echo.

Thanks!

A reveure!!
Enric

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Hi Mark,

Yep. Until two days ago, I thought that the FidoNet structure was the
hierarchical one I've read from the docs.

that's the administrative one... mail distribution is different (in Fidonet).. >othernets may employ their own distribution system(s)... some do use the admin
tree structure for distributed mail and even for the routing of netmail...

:-) I've already noted it down.

it isn't that difficult to find the echolist and NA/NO file(s)... the latest updated one(s) is/are distributed in its FDN each month IIRC...

The difficulty varies from who knows or not. :-D

I've been on both sides. ;-)


A reveure!!
Enric

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The difficulty varies from who knows or not. :-D

I've been on both sides. ;-)

Hmmm ... Joni Mitchel ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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Hi Ward,

I've been on both sides. ;-)

Hmmm ... Joni Mitchel ... 8-)

I'm not from her time, but I like the lyrics.

I've looked at life from both sides now
From win and lose and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all

Nice lyrics, Ward.


A reveure!!
Enric

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Enric,

Nice lyrics, Ward.

Spaniah is a language which has been created for poets ...

"Poetas Andaluces" ... a beauty ...

�Qu� cantan los poetas andaluces de ahora?
�Qu� miran los poetas andaluces de ahora?
�Qu� sienten los poetas andaluces de ahora?

I know you're Catalan ... there are Catalan poets as well ...

\%/@rd

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Hi Ward,

Spaniah is a language which has been created for poets ...

You're so right about Spanish -it�s such a rich language, full of nuances, color, and depth! A big part of my library is in spanish since I've grown in a bilingual condition.

�Qu� sienten los poetas andaluces de ahora?

Yes! Andalusians have a special connection to their land, because those landscapes are a rare mix, hard to find in those proportions elsewhere. When you travel there, you enter another world. And in that other world, you live and think differently.

I know you're Catalan ... there are Catalan poets as well ...

And don't worry, being Catalan is definitely not a barrier or a reason to look inward! It certainly doesn't keep me from appreciating true beauty, wherever it comes from. After all, beauty is always in the eye of the beholder (joke), not in its language...

But yes, you can find heartfelt poetry in the works of Mart� i Pol, Verdaguer, Carner, Espriu... However, we can get lost in translation.


A reveure!!
Enric

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