Hi, Mark Lewis!
I read your message from 25.07.2019 21:14

But how a person in Fidonet can prove that his name is real?
IMHO, I can't do it even if I wanted to.

You dont have to prove it, it is enough that you tell us so.

I don't understand why they invented a worthless rule.

Some may think its worthless but that the ways is been for a long time. Look
at the internet newsgroups majority of the kiddies took over and their is no accountability.

it wasn't and still isn't worthless... it is a safety thing... if someone posts something illegal, there's a known entity to look at since their name is on the post...

But it is a voluntary, unverified name. If nobody checks it, so the rule is worthless.

There is no way to 100% verify that the user is giving their real name, but I check the accounts before validating the users. My users on my system are
held 100% accountable when they do not follow the rules.

Bye, Mark!

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Hello Phil,

But how a person in Fidonet can prove that his name is real?
IMHO, I can't do it even if I wanted to.

You dont have to prove it, it is enough that you tell us so.

I don't understand why they invented a worthless rule.

Some may think its worthless but that the ways is been for a long time.

Look

at the internet newsgroups majority of the kiddies took over and their is no accountability.

Accountability? What accountability? Apparently you have not heard
about doxing. While not illegal, it is considered highly unethical.

doxing - search for and publish private or identifying information,
about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with
malicious intent.

Think about what that means. An individual, using his/her real
name, on message boards and other sites (such as Fidonet), available
to be read by anybody and everybody.

Think about how such information can be used, and misused.

And realize the perpetrators will never get caught or be held
accountable for their actions.

it wasn't and still isn't worthless... it is a safety thing... if
someone posts something illegal, there's a known entity to look at
since their name is on the post...

But it is a voluntary, unverified name. If nobody checks it, so the
rule is worthless.

There is no way to 100% verify that the user is giving their real name,

but

I
check the accounts before validating the users. My users on my system are held 100% accountable when they do not follow the rules.

Not only is this "rule" worthless, but it is downright dangerous!
Why should celebrities have the "right" to use an alias/handle while
others are forced to use their real names when posting messages?

Google Play used to have "real names only" rule, but no longer does.
Facebook is still trying to learn its lesson, which is costing itself
dearly with its current policy.

Fidonet needs to do away with its archaic demand for real names only.
Most sysops are already aware of this, but some remain in the dark ages,
not realizing that times have changed.

--Lee

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Hello, Phil Taylor.
On 10/08/19 15:37 you wrote:

Some may think its worthless but that the ways is been for a long
time. Look at the internet newsgroups majority of the kiddies took
over and their is no accountability.

This is why I was back to fidonet, the high quality of the echo areas compared by the internet newsgroups.
When I left fidonet trolls, haters and similar had no chances to remain in fidonet too long, moderators did their work and sysops did what moderators asked for "bad useser".
Unfortunately now I found a different fidonet, rules was avoided by a strange concept of freedom and trolls are free to ride. :(

There is no way to 100% verify that the user is giving their real
name, but I check the accounts before validating the users. My
users on my system are held 100% accountable when they do not
follow the rules.

This is also my policy, but it's hard to promote fidonet in a country where fidonet was missing for a long time without promising better quality than internet.
But I don't surrender. :)
Keep strong!

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Hello Fabio,

Some may think its worthless but that the ways is been for a long
time. Look at the internet newsgroups majority of the kiddies took
over and their is no accountability.

This is why I was back to fidonet, the high quality of the echo areas compared by the internet newsgroups.
When I left fidonet trolls, haters and similar had no chances to remain

in

fidonet too long, moderators did their work and sysops did what

moderators

asked for "bad useser".
Unfortunately now I found a different fidonet, rules was avoided by a strange concept of freedom and trolls are free to ride. :(

Oh, c'mon man! Trolls just want to have fun! Just like Cindi Lauper!

There is no way to 100% verify that the user is giving their real
name, but I check the accounts before validating the users. My
users on my system are held 100% accountable when they do not
follow the rules.

This is also my policy, but it's hard to promote fidonet in a country

where

fidonet was missing for a long time without promising better quality than internet.
But I don't surrender. :)
Keep strong!

Gosh. You are dense.
Unscramble the letters of my name.
What do you come up with?

1. Loose Flea
2. False Oleo

Now you tell me.
Which one is real?

--Lee

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Unscramble the letters of my name.
What do you come up with?

1. Loose Flea
2. False Oleo

3. Leo F. Asole

Ward - Writing from the sailing vessel "Fiene"
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Hello Ward!

11 Aug 19 11:25, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Ward - Writing from the sailing vessel "Fiene"

You should be at sea, but I presume there is to much wind to leave the
harbour.

Kees

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Ward - Writing from the sailing vessel "Fiene"

You should be at sea, but I presume there is to much wind to leave the
harbour.

Correct.

Yesterday there was a force 10, today is better but I see no-one putting out to sea.


Ward - Writing from the sailing vessel "Fiene"
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Hi, Phil Taylor!
I read your message from 10.08.2019 14:37

ak>>>> But how a person in Fidonet can prove that his name is real?
ak>>>> IMHO, I can't do it even if I wanted to.
TK>>> You dont have to prove it, it is enough that you tell us so.
ak>> I don't understand why they invented a worthless rule.

PT> Some may think its worthless but that the ways is been for a long
PT> time. Look at the internet newsgroups majority of the kiddies took
PT> over and their is no accountability.

Strict accountability has a totalitarian smell. IMHO the main rule of
free people - you are free in choosing your talking partners. Don't talk
with a person you don't like. Don't participate in echoes you don't like.

ML>>> it wasn't and still isn't worthless... it is a safety thing... if
ML>>> someone posts something illegal, there's a known entity to look
ML>>> at since their name is on the post...

ak>> But it is a voluntary, unverified name. If nobody checks it, so
ak>> the rule is worthless.

PT> There is no way to 100% verify that the user is giving their real
PT> name, but I check the accounts before validating the users. My
PT> users on my system are held 100% accountable when they do not
PT> follow the rules.

Besides, now every person can easily create his own Fidonet node and
write anonymously anything he wants. Who should check him?
There are also people who use NNTP news servers for posting to Fidonet.
Their users often located in different countries and nobody can check them.

Bye, Phil!
Alexander Koryagin
fido7.fidonews 2019
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I think maybe most the sysop do not really care what you think. I can say
that Fidonet has been running fine before you came.

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Hello Ward,

Unscramble the letters of my name.
What do you come up with?

1. Loose Flea
2. False Oleo

3. Leo F. Asole

Ward - Writing from the sailing vessel "Fiene"

I try to forget that one.

Lee - Writing from a pirogue without a paddle.

--Lee

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Hello Phil,

I think maybe most the sysop do not really care what you think. I can

say

that Fidonet has been running fine before you came.

Running fine? I don't think so. It is a community of sysops
from around the world who have a shared interest. With no rules
other than whatever rules they want to play by (as indidivuals).

There is no constitution or set of bylaws they have agreed to
abide by. A few have put together some documents amongst themselves,
in a vain attempt to force their views on others, but nothing that
would stand up in any court of law as being legit.

This silly "real names" rule is just that. Silly. Here is something
I wrote back in 2003, to Ross Cassell (a big shot in Fidonet at the
time) on this very subject -

Hello Ross,

I have obtained a QWK packet from Jeff Binkleys BBS that proves
this, Jeff is one of several downlinks Dale is providing this stuff
to and is in on this with Dale.

We're SOOOOOOOOO surprised. [/sarcasm] And Georgia is just riddled
with the same holes, isn't it?

I dont know where the Georgia reference fits into this, other than
thats whe Hardegree and Massey live, but since they are downlinks of
Dale and Dale is problem here???

Well, lemme see. Stan Hardegree is a resident of Georgia. And Georgia
has a state law that makes it illegal for folks to pose as aliases on
bulletin boards such as fido. Don't believe me? See Article 6 of
Chapter 9 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated. This
law is also known as the "Georgia Computer Systems Protection Act".

As noted in FidoNet Policy Document Version 4.07, such illegal activity
is not allowed anywhere on fido. As such, Stan Hardegree can be deleted
from fido. Of course, that also means that Dale Ross can also be
removed from fido, since he was the one responsible for allowing Stan
Hardegree to pose as Ivan Prokhorov and CD Flanagan in various fido
echoes.

But what the hey. Dale Ross is a fun guy. He even went so far as to
say that he is anybody who has ever used Todd Cochrane's bbs. Can you
imagine that? Dale Ross is Ross Cassell. Dale Ross is Lee Lofaso.
Dale Ross is anybody and everybody who has ever been a participant in
fido. He should be given a medal. As well as a one-way ticket to
the doghouse. :)

--Lee

You might not recognize some (or even any) of the names I mentioned,
as this post was written in 2003 in an echo I have long forgotten.
But the points I made are exactly the same, and just as relevant, in
today's fidonet.

I gave you a cite. You can either take my word for it, or go look
it up yourself. And be amazed at what you find.

What all this means is that we can now delete everybody in fido
and start all over again. With new names of our own choosing.

Whattaya think?

--WhatsMyName

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Hello Alexander,

But how a person in Fidonet can prove that his name is real?
IMHO, I can't do it even if I wanted to.

You dont have to prove it, it is enough that you tell us so.

I don't understand why they invented a worthless rule.

Some may think its worthless but that the ways is been for a long
time. Look at the internet newsgroups majority of the kiddies took
over and their is no accountability.

Strict accountability has a totalitarian smell. IMHO the main rule of
free people - you are free in choosing your talking partners. Don't talk with a person you don't like. Don't participate in echoes you don't like.

Others prefer to expand their horizons.

it wasn't and still isn't worthless... it is a safety thing... if
someone posts something illegal, there's a known entity to look
at since their name is on the post...

But it is a voluntary, unverified name. If nobody checks it, so
the rule is worthless.

There is no way to 100% verify that the user is giving their real
name, but I check the accounts before validating the users. My
users on my system are held 100% accountable when they do not
follow the rules.

Besides, now every person can easily create his own Fidonet node and
write anonymously anything he wants. Who should check him?
There are also people who use NNTP news servers for posting to Fidonet. Their users often located in different countries and nobody can check

them.

Everybody has a name. Here is something I wrote long ago, back in
2003 or thereabouts. In an echo that is now long forgotten -

Hello Ross,

I have obtained a QWK packet from Jeff Binkleys BBS that proves
this, Jeff is one of several downlinks Dale is providing this stuff
to and is in on this with Dale.

We're SOOOOOOOOO surprised. [/sarcasm] And Georgia is just riddled
with the same holes, isn't it?

I dont know where the Georgia reference fits into this, other than
thats whe Hardegree and Massey live, but since they are downlinks of
Dale and Dale is problem here???

Well, lemme see. Stan Hardegree is a resident of Georgia. And Georgia
has a state law that makes it illegal for folks to pose as aliases on
bulletin boards such as fido. Don't believe me? See Article 6 of
Chapter 9 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated. This
law is also known as the "Georgia Computer Systems Protection Act".

As noted in FidoNet Policy Document Version 4.07, such illegal activity
is not allowed anywhere on fido. As such, Stan Hardegree can be deleted
from fido. Of course, that also means that Dale Ross can also be
removed from fido, since he was the one responsible for allowing Stan
Hardegree to pose as Ivan Prokhorov and CD Flanagan in various fido
echoes.

But what the hey. Dale Ross is a fun guy. He even went so far as to
say that he is anybody who has ever used Todd Cochrane's bbs. Can you
imagine that? Dale Ross is Ross Cassell. Dale Ross is Lee Lofaso.
Dale Ross is anybody and everybody who has ever been a participant in
fido. He should be given a medal. As well as a one-way ticket to
the doghouse. :)

--Lee

What all this means is that we can now delete everybody in fido
and start all over again. With new names of our own choosing.

Whattaya think?

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Hello Everybody,

Oden, we have a problem.

M > Rules for the Fidonews Echo
M > Revised: 2004-05-31
M >
M >Description:
M >
M >This is the Fidonews Echo. Area tag: FIDONEWS
M >
M >Moderator:
M >
M >The Fidonews editor, as listed in the nodelist and in the banner of
M >the most recent issue of the Fidonews weekly publication, is the
M >permanent moderator of this echo.

One of your sons, known as Bj�rn (not Bling), seems to have forgotten
to include a long-standing rule. The rule of real names. And you know
what that means.

M >Policy:
M >
M >The Echopol1 policy applies where applicable, with the exception that
M >characters above 0x7e hex, 126 decimal (sometimes known as HI ASCII)
M >*are* permitted (i.e. para V.18.a does not apply).

All characters get to play, in both the echo and the newsletter?
What about languages? If the devil can play his fiddle, then Cajuns
should be able to play theirs, oui?

M >Availability:
M >
M >Every sysop is encouraged to make this echo available to any user,
M >that's interested in reading and writing in it.

Well, give the devil his due!

M >Purpose:
M >
M >The purpose of this echo is the discussion of recent articles (within
M >the last two weeks) in the Fidonews publication.

Okay, okay. Got my shiny new pencil out the drawer. Haven't used
it since grade school, but there's still a bit of lead in it. Just
gotta find a sharpener so I can write with it.

M >General Rules:
M >
M > 1. The moderator's ruling is final.
M >
M > 2. No vulgar language. This includes, but is not limited to, flames
M > and profanities.
M >
M > 3. Discuss only articles printed in the Fidonews Publication. A certain M > amount of straying from this is however expected and encouraged.
M >
M > 4. In the event that some ingenious person figures out a way to bypass
M > these rules, the moderator reserves the right to make a rule to
M > end the situation.
M >
M > 5. Articles are not to be submitted nor will they be accepted in the
M > echo. If you can write a comment in the echo, you can just as easily
M > make that a personal letter to the editor -- everyone in the echo
M > will still see it, only a few days later.

See there? No real names rule. None at all.

M >Fidonews Editor, 2:2/2, Moderator

We are free! Free at last! Free to use whatever real names we want!
Just like we always have!

Maybe that is why the rule was dropped, as the moderator realized it
was never needed in the first place. Or perhaps, just perhaps, he knew
it all along, just wanted to find out how long it would take everybody
else to figure it out. Talk about sneaky.

For those who still don't get it -

Anyone can do a name change. You don't even need to be married.
Just start writing your new name without any court action, and at
no cost. See how easy that is?

And the groovy thing is, using a new name expands your horizons,
as you can always use it again. And again. And again. As many times
as you like. And knowing it is always your real name, regardless of
which one it is. Or just keep collecting them, and put them all in
a drawer for you to use at your own discretion.

I have so many real names I have lost count. Now that everything
has gone digital, I am not limited by space. In fact, I have created
a program that automatically creates new real names. Just for me.

But that is another topic for another day ...

--Lee

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