• Copycat Nabisco Snack Wel

    From Dave Drum@1:124/5016 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Oct 11 05:44:38 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Title: Nabisco Snack Well's Banana Snack Bars
    1 c Sugar; +5 tb
    2 tb Brown sugar
    2 tb Molasses

    Speaking as a diabetic, that is a lot of sugar...

    Sub out Stevia for Baking for the cup of white sugar. It measures the
    same as sugar but has a slight bitter taste if you use it for the full amount of sugar. Keeping the 5 tb plus the brown sugar and molasses

    If I'm doing a sugar substitute I go for Sugar-Twin (aspartame based) on
    a measure-for-measure basis. I've not used it for baking so I can't speak
    to its taste/effectiveness there.

    will cancel out the bitter taste. We found the Stevia for Baking when I was first diagnosed as diabetic. Since then I've brought it so well
    under control that I'm now basically non diabetic but because I'm still considered diabetic, I do things like using the SfB to keep it well controlled. In June of 2012 I was told that my pancreas had died and

    My croakers took me off of the diabetes medication totally. They had tried
    that some years ago and my numbers showed a steady increase. So, back on
    the "daily dose". This trip, unless I've been given prednisone, my sugar
    is holding at 90 -105 (fasting). But, like you, I'm still considered extra- sweet.

    I'd be on insulin the rest of my life; end of February, 2013 I took my last shot and have been diet controlled ever since. My last A1C was
    6.4.

    So, if your pancreas has died how are you still above the grass? Everyone
    I know who had their pancreas die (all from pancreatic cancer) is pushing
    up daffodils. You must/may have been misdiagnosed.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Cranberry-Orange Relish
    Categories: Five, Fruit, Citrus, Salads
    Yield: 8 Servings

    2 md Navel oranges
    6 c Cranberries
    2 1/2 c Sugar-twin

    Cut unpeeled oranges into eighths.

    Place orange, cranberries and sugar in food processor or
    blender and grind.

    Refrigerate for several hours to blend flavors.

    Store covered in refrigerator.

    I took this to the family Holiday dinner at my brother's
    house last Winter Solstice celebration (2009). It was a
    hit - especially with the diabetics. Can also be made with
    real sugar - but, your diabetic family members won't be
    able to take part and praise your expertise.

    I sometimes add walnuts or pecans to this for crunch.

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Sat Oct 11 10:24:52 2025
    Hello Dave,

    Saturday October 11 2025 05:44, you wrote to Ruth Haffly:

    If I'm doing a sugar substitute I go for Sugar-Twin (aspartame based)
    on a measure-for-measure basis. I've not used it for baking so I can't speak to its taste/effectiveness there.

    I have been told by two professional bakers that you cannot fully remove the sugar from a baked product as sugar provides physical structure that artificial and other natural sweeteners cannot provide, hence the "baking mix"es. But, from what I've been reading lately, the sugar's safer for you.

    My croakers took me off of the diabetes medication totally. They had
    tried that some years ago and my numbers showed a steady increase. So, back on the "daily dose". This trip, unless I've been given
    prednisone, my sugar is holding at 90 -105 (fasting). But, like you,
    I'm still considered extra- sweet.

    I seem to be allergic to, or at least suffer severe side effects from, every diabetic medication I've ever tried. I will be getting an insulin pump soon. According to my diabetes educator, I have become so insulin resistant that these massive doses of insulin I am taking now is basically wasted since my body will not process it right. With the insulin pump, I am getting insulin 24/7/365 at around 1.25 unit od U/500 (highly concentrated) insulin. When my basal rate ia normalized, my bolus (extra insulin at mealtimes) rates will be much smaller and more efficiently utilized.

    It'll be a 4-6 week wait to get the pump, I'm told.

    So, if your pancreas has died how are you still above the grass?
    Everyone I know who had their pancreas die (all from pancreatic
    cancer) is pushing up daffodils. You must/may have been misdiagnosed.

    Yeah, if your pancreas stops, so do you. It's why Johnny Cash and Patrick Swayze died though Mr. Swayze had stage 4 pancreatic cancer. Benjamin Orr, the keyboardist of The Cars, died in the late 80s from uncontrolled diabetes which lead to pancreatic cancer.

    Though, in the same breath, it is possible that the pancreas can eek out just enough insulin to keep things going but still be in failure, from what I am told. IANAD and am just regurgitating what I've been told by medical professionals.

    In my case, my pancreas is damaged but still functional. The insulin pump will greatly improve things. I still have a chance of healing myself as the insulin pump, for me, is not a permanent thing (so I'm told).

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Halloween Black Cat Cookies
    Categories: Desserts, Halloween
    Yield: 1 Servings

    1 c Crunchy peanut butter
    1/3 c Water
    2 Eggs
    1 pk Chocolate cake mix
    M&Ms. Plain Chocolate Candy
    Red hots

    Preparation : Beat together peanut butter, eggs, and water. Gradually
    add cake mix. Mix well. Form dough into 1-inch balls. Place on
    ungreased cookie sheet. Flatten balls with bottom of glass dipped in
    sugar. Pinch out 2 ears at top of cookie. Add M & M's (eyes) and red
    hots (nose). Press fork into dough to form whiskers.

    Bake at 375 degrees for 8-10 minutes.

    Makes 4 1/2 dozen. Posted to MC-Recipe Digest V1 #252

    Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 07:13:09 -0700

    From: Greg Leonhardt <[email protected]>

    MMMMM

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Oct 12 11:13:10 2025
    Hi Dave,


    Title: Nabisco Snack Well's Banana Snack Bars
    1 c Sugar; +5 tb
    2 tb Brown sugar
    2 tb Molasses

    Speaking as a diabetic, that is a lot of sugar...

    Sub out Stevia for Baking for the cup of white sugar. It measures the
    same as sugar but has a slight bitter taste if you use it for the full amount of sugar. Keeping the 5 tb plus the brown sugar and molasses

    If I'm doing a sugar substitute I go for Sugar-Twin (aspartame based)
    on a measure-for-measure basis. I've not used it for baking so I can't speak to its taste/effectiveness there.

    We like the Stevia since it's plant based, no chemical this or that.

    will cancel out the bitter taste. We found the Stevia for Baking when I was first diagnosed as diabetic. Since then I've brought it so well
    under control that I'm now basically non diabetic but because I'm still considered diabetic, I do things like using the SfB to keep it well controlled. In June of 2012 I was told that my pancreas had died and

    My croakers took me off of the diabetes medication totally. They had
    tried that some years ago and my numbers showed a steady increase. So, back on the "daily dose". This trip, unless I've been given
    prednisone, my sugar is holding at 90 -105 (fasting). But, like you,
    I'm still considered extra- sweet.

    I'd be on insulin the rest of my life; end of February, 2013 I took my last shot and have been diet controlled ever since. My last A1C was
    6.4.

    So, if your pancreas has died how are you still above the grass?
    Everyone I know who had their pancreas die (all from pancreatic
    cancer) is pushing up daffodils. You must/may have been misdiagnosed.

    Don't know, probably it was an ER misdiagnoses. They did say that I had pancreatitis and my A1C was 8.2, asked me how long I'd been a diabetic
    to which I basically replied "say what???????????????". Heavy on the
    carbs over the last few years had put me over the line and into diabetes territory. Once I started eating better, as well as the "jump start" the insulin, my nubers have been much better.

    Title: Cranberry-Orange Relish
    Categories: Five, Fruit, Citrus, Salads
    Yield: 8 Servings

    I took this to the family Holiday dinner at my brother's
    house last Winter Solstice celebration (2009). It was a
    hit - especially with the diabetics. Can also be made with
    real sugar - but, your diabetic family members won't be
    able to take part and praise your expertise.

    I've never been a fan of cranberry sauce; mom and her mom (went to
    grandparents for Thanksgiving) always used the jelly. I do like craisins
    but that's basically the only form of cranberries that I'll eat.


    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:218/700 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Oct 13 03:29:51 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Title: Nabisco Snack Well's Banana Snack Bars
    1 c Sugar; +5 tb
    2 tb Brown sugar
    2 tb Molasses

    Speaking as a diabetic, that is a lot of sugar...

    Sub out Stevia for Baking for the cup of white sugar. It measures the
    same as sugar but has a slight bitter taste if you use it for the full amount of sugar. Keeping the 5 tb plus the brown sugar and molasses

    If I'm doing a sugar substitute I go for Sugar-Twin (aspartame based)
    on a measure-for-measure basis. I've not used it for baking so I can't speak to its taste/effectiveness there.

    We like the Stevia since it's plant based, no chemical this or that.

    Diff'rnt strokes for different folks.

    will cancel out the bitter taste. We found the Stevia for Baking when I was first diagnosed as diabetic. Since then I've brought it so well
    under control that I'm now basically non diabetic but because I'm still considered diabetic, I do things like using the SfB to keep it well controlled. In June of 2012 I was told that my pancreas had died and

    My croakers took me off of the diabetes medication totally. They had
    tried that some years ago and my numbers showed a steady increase. So, back on the "daily dose". This trip, unless I've been given
    prednisone, my sugar is holding at 90 -105 (fasting). But, like you,
    I'm still considered extra- sweet.

    I'd be on insulin the rest of my life; end of February, 2013 I took my last shot and have been diet controlled ever since. My last A1C was
    6.4.

    I just checked the chart of "Follow My Health". My last A1C result was 5.8

    So, if your pancreas has died how are you still above the grass?
    Everyone I know who had their pancreas die (all from pancreatic
    cancer) is pushing up daffodils. You must/may have been misdiagnosed.

    Don't know, probably it was an ER misdiagnoses. They did say that I had pancreatitis and my A1C was 8.2, asked me how long I'd been a diabetic
    to which I basically replied "say what???????????????". Heavy on the
    carbs over the last few years had put me over the line and into
    diabetes territory. Once I started eating better, as well as the "jump start" the insulin, my nubers have been much better.

    Amazing how that works, innit?

    Title: Cranberry-Orange Relish
    Categories: Five, Fruit, Citrus, Salads
    Yield: 8 Servings

    I took this to the family Holiday dinner at my brother's
    house last Winter Solstice celebration (2009). It was a
    hit - especially with the diabetics. Can also be made with
    real sugar - but, your diabetic family members won't be
    able to take part and praise your expertise.

    I've never been a fan of cranberry sauce; mom and her mom (went to grandparents for Thanksgiving) always used the jelly. I do like
    craisins but that's basically the only form of cranberries that I'll
    eat.

    I've not found a form of cranberries that I don't like. Including the
    cranberry juice I drik routinely to boost my kidney health. It has side benefits of improving heart health,fightiing UTIs and boosting immune
    function - among others. Sort of a natural super-food that tastes good
    (to me - YMMV).

    And I routinely add craisins to my oatmeal.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Cranberry Apple Pie
    Categories: Pies, Desserts, Fruits, Pastry
    Yield: 6 Servings

    1 Refrigerated piecrust *
    4 lg Baking apples; peeled, cored
    - thin sliced
    1 c Sweetened, dried cranberries
    1/2 ts Lemon zest
    1/2 c Splenda sweetener
    3 tb A-P flour
    1/2 ts Ground cinnamon
    1/2 ts Ground nutmeg
    1/4 ts Ground ginger
    1/2 c Unsweetened applesauce

    MMMMM--------------------------TOPPING-------------------------------
    3/4 c A-P flour
    1/4 c Splenda
    1/4 c Packed light-brown sugar
    1/3 c Reduced-calorie stick
    - margarine; in small pieces
    - (do not soften) **

    * such as Pillsbury refrigerated piecrust

    Preheat oven to 400ºF/205ºC. Unfold piecrust and press
    out fold lines. Fit crust into a 9" deep-dish pie plate
    according to package directions. Combine apples,
    cranberries, lemon zest, 1/2 cup Splenda, 3 tablespoons
    flour, cinnamon, nutmeg, and ginger in a large bowl;
    toss gently to mix well. Add applesauce and toss to coat.
    Spoon mixture into piecrust, piling up apples (they will
    shrink down with baking).

    In a separate bowl, combine 3/4 cup flour, 1/4 cup
    Splenda, light-brown sugar and margarine. Mix by mashing
    with a fork until crumbly. Sprinkle topping evenly over
    apple filling and press on to cover pie. Bake 45-50
    minutes, or until apples are tender; cover edges of
    piecrust with aluminum foil to prevent over-browning if
    necessary.

    ** I cheat and use real butter - UDD

    Allow pie to cool at least one hour before serving. This
    is a thick pie, so it makes big servings.

    Yield: 6 servings

    Recipe by: Tami Ross, a Diabetes Nutrition Specialist and
    Certified Diabetes Educator in Lexington, Kentucky

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Oct 14 17:07:52 2025
    Hi Dave,

    If I'm doing a sugar substitute I go for Sugar-Twin (aspartame based)
    on a measure-for-measure basis. I've not used it for baking so I can't speak to its taste/effectiveness there.

    We like the Stevia since it's plant based, no chemical this or that.

    Diff'rnt strokes for different folks.

    Exactly! Steve and I have always been more conscious of what we put into
    our bodies than most folks. He does a lot of research on something new
    to determine whether or not it is something worth buying or not so the reccommendation to use Stevia is based on that, and now 13 years of
    useage.


    I'd be on insulin the rest of my life; end of February, 2013 I took my last shot and have been diet controlled ever since. My last A1C was
    6.4.

    I just checked the chart of "Follow My Health". My last A1C result was
    5.8

    So, if your pancreas has died how are you still above the grass?
    Everyone I know who had their pancreas die (all from pancreatic
    cancer) is pushing up daffodils. You must/may have been misdiagnosed.

    Don't know, probably it was an ER misdiagnoses. They did say that I had pancreatitis and my A1C was 8.2, asked me how long I'd been a diabetic
    to which I basically replied "say what???????????????". Heavy on the
    carbs over the last few years had put me over the line and into
    diabetes territory. Once I started eating better, as well as the "jump start" the insulin, my nubers have been much better.

    Amazing how that works, innit?

    Yep! (G)


    Title: Cranberry-Orange Relish
    Categories: Five, Fruit, Citrus, Salads
    Yield: 8 Servings

    I took this to the family Holiday dinner at my brother's
    house last Winter Solstice celebration (2009). It was a
    hit - especially with the diabetics. Can also be made with
    real sugar - but, your diabetic family members won't be
    able to take part and praise your expertise.

    I've never been a fan of cranberry sauce; mom and her mom (went to grandparents for Thanksgiving) always used the jelly. I do like
    craisins but that's basically the only form of cranberries that I'll
    eat.

    I've not found a form of cranberries that I don't like. Including the cranberry juice I drik routinely to boost my kidney health. It has
    side benefits of improving heart health,fightiing UTIs and boosting
    immune
    function - among others. Sort of a natural super-food that tastes good
    (to me - YMMV).

    And I routinely add craisins to my oatmeal.

    My mom, when she was diagnosed diabetic, cut out putting sugar on her
    cereal. She subbed out probably a couple/3 tablespoons of raisins
    instead, probably more carbs than the sugar she used to put on. I tried
    to suggest some better subs for things but she resisted change. Probably
    some of that was dementia starting to kick in but she was diagnosed
    diabeticc several years before that. Don't know what her A1Cs ran but
    morning b/g checks ran in the 140s. Dr. just had her on metformin.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Oct 17 04:33:45 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    If I'm doing a sugar substitute I go for Sugar-Twin (aspartame based)
    on a measure-for-measure basis. I've not used it for baking so I can't speak to its taste/effectiveness there.

    We like the Stevia since it's plant based, no chemical this or that.

    Diff'rnt strokes for different folks.

    Exactly! Steve and I have always been more conscious of what we put
    into our bodies than most folks. He does a lot of research on something new to determine whether or not it is something worth buying or not so
    the reccommendation to use Stevia is based on that, and now 13 years of useage.

    Saccharine is about the only one f the "artificial" sweetners I avoid. And that's only because of its bitter after-taste. Even seeing the published
    link between saccharie and cancer didn't put me off of it. But thst bitter component sure did. I ran the numbers to get behind the sensationalist lead
    ins to the "scientific claim" of causing cancer in lab rats. As near as I
    could figure an average-sized humern bean would have to drink the equivalent of a barrel (55 gallons) of it in a 24 hour period to equal the overdoses
    fed to the poor lab animals.

    I'd be on insulin the rest of my life; end of February, 2013 I took my last shot and have been diet controlled ever since. My last A1C was
    6.4.

    8<----- HACK ----->8

    I've never been a fan of cranberry sauce; mom and her mom (went to grandparents for Thanksgiving) always used the jelly. I do like
    craisins but that's basically the only form of cranberries that I'll
    eat.

    I've not found a form of cranberries that I don't like. Including the cranberry juice I drink routinely to boost my kidney health. It has
    side benefits of improving heart health,fightiing UTIs and boosting
    immune function - among others. Sort of a natural super-food that
    tastes good (to me - YMMV).

    And I routinely add craisins to my oatmeal.

    Oh, I forgot. Ocean Spray has a version that has "FREE" in big caps ob
    the label. That's what I stock.

    My mom, when she was diagnosed diabetic, cut out putting sugar on her cereal. She subbed out probably a couple/3 tablespoons of raisins
    instead, probably more carbs than the sugar she used to put on. I tried
    to suggest some better subs for things but she resisted change.
    Probably some of that was dementia starting to kick in but she was diagnosed diabeticc several years before that. Don't know what her A1Cs ran but morning b/g checks ran in the 140s. Dr. just had her on
    metformin.

    Another thing that I do routinely is to use honey as a sweetner. Especially
    in tea - hot or iced. It even makes the oil of bergamot in Earl Gray tea
    almost palatable. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Apple Rice Pudding
    Categories: Diabetic, Desserts, Rice, Fruits
    Yield: 6 Servings

    2 c Cooked rice *
    1 c Milk
    1 tb Liquid Sugartwin **
    - (1/4 c sugar)
    1/4 c Raisins; regular or golden
    1 ts Vanilla
    1/4 ts Cinnamon
    1/4 ts Nutmeg
    1 Tart apple; shredded peel on
    1/4 ts Ascorbic acid; colour
    - keeper ***

    1 tbsp liquid Sugartwin has the sweetness of 4 tbsp or
    1/4 cup sugar. American Diabetes Assoc. guidelines allow
    1 tsp sugar per serving or 2 tbsp for a 6 serving recipe
    which would taste OK to people accustomed to low sugar
    recipes.

    Combine rice, milk, sweetener (or sugar) raisins,
    vanilla and spices. Bring to a boil, reduce heat and
    stir occasionally until the mixture is creamy.

    Core and shred apple and sprinkle with ascorbic acid
    color keeper, or with a little lemon juice. Stir apple
    into rice mixture. Cook a few minutes longer until apple
    is soft.

    Serve warm or cold.

    1/6 recipe made with artificial sweetner - 1 starch
    choice, 1 milk

    Optional: Cook 2/3 cup rice in 1 2/3 cups water. Make
    pudding as above without apple and add 2 tbsp coconut.

    Adapted from Light & Easy Choices by Kay Spicer,
    published in Canada. Shared by Elizabeth Rodier Jan 94.

    NOTES: * I used brown rice - just for S & G

    ** Granulated (dry) Sugar Twin is MUCH easier as it is
    a volume for volume substitute for sucrose sugar.

    *** Ascorbic acid is also known as vitamin C. While powder
    is available, a sprinkle of lemon or lime juice works just
    as well.

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Oct 17 14:34:35 2025
    Hi Dave,

    Diff'rnt strokes for different folks.

    Exactly! Steve and I have always been more conscious of what we put
    into our bodies than most folks. He does a lot of research on something new to determine whether or not it is something worth buying or not so
    the reccommendation to use Stevia is based on that, and now 13 years of useage.

    Saccharine is about the only one f the "artificial" sweetners I avoid.
    And that's only because of its bitter after-taste. Even seeing the published link between saccharie and cancer didn't put me off of it.
    But thst bitter component sure did. I ran the numbers to get behind
    the sensationalist lead ins to the "scientific claim" of causing
    cancer in lab rats. As near as I could figure an average-sized humern
    bean would have to drink the equivalent of a barrel (55 gallons) of it
    in a 24 hour period to equal the overdoses fed to the poor lab
    animals.

    I remember reading something along those lines years ago. AFAIK, I've
    never bought anything with saccharine in it but may have unknowingly
    consumed it when I was younger. I do recall my folks keeping a bottle of
    the liquified version in their fridge for years, for the occaisional
    times they drank iced tea.

    8<----- HACK ----->8

    I've never been a fan of cranberry sauce; mom and her mom (went to grandparents for Thanksgiving) always used the jelly. I do like
    craisins but that's basically the only form of cranberries that I'll
    eat.

    I've not found a form of cranberries that I don't like. Including the cranberry juice I drink routinely to boost my kidney health. It has
    side benefits of improving heart health,fightiing UTIs and boosting
    immune function - among others. Sort of a natural super-food that
    tastes good (to me - YMMV).

    And I routinely add craisins to my oatmeal.

    Oh, I forgot. Ocean Spray has a version that has "FREE" in big caps ob
    the label. That's what I stock.

    We rarely buy fruit juices, drinking more water than anything else. Some
    of the water is the flavored, sparkling stuff, with some real fruit
    juice but a very small amount. We do have a couple jugs each of white
    grape juice and apple juice left over from our anniversary celebration.
    We'll probably cut them with plain sparkling water so as not to get a
    big carb hit. Did that with the fig syrup I made this summer, fig soda
    tastes pretty good. (G)

    My mom, when she was diagnosed diabetic, cut out putting sugar on
    her RH> cereal. She subbed out probably a couple/3 tablespoons of
    raisins RH> instead, probably more carbs than the sugar she used to put
    on. I tried RH> to suggest some better subs for things but she resisted
    change. RH> Probably some of that was dementia starting to kick in but
    she was RH> diagnosed diabeticc several years before that. Don't know
    what her A1Cs RH> ran but morning b/g checks ran in the 140s. Dr. just
    had her on RH> metformin.

    Another thing that I do routinely is to use honey as a sweetner. Especially in tea - hot or iced. It even makes the oil of bergamot in
    Earl Gray tea almost palatable. Bv)=

    We use that, sorgum and molasses. Any sugar I buy is brown, powdered,
    raw or turbinado; main use of the latter two is in making jam or
    preserves (which I eat very little of).


    Title: Apple Rice Pudding
    Categories: Diabetic, Desserts, Rice, Fruits
    Yield: 6 Servings

    Hmm, looks interesting. I use brown rice, jasmine rice or a rice blend
    (put out by Lundberg). The brown would work the best all around of the
    3, jasmine and blend is for when I cook Asian or just want a different
    side.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Oct 21 06:16:34 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I was introduced to it by my Grandmother. Little teeny-tiny white
    pills (asbout 2 mg IIEC) and one could oversweeten a quart of iced
    tea.

    It was in just about anything that was "diet" or "low Calorie" for a
    long time--until scientists got ahold of it and fed it to a lot of lab rats. I think it was the only "artificial sweetener" around, so it was very common for common folks to use.

    My Granny stocked the tiny tablets. I learned a bitter (literally) lesson
    when I w2as six years old. Took one of the tablets and popped it into my
    cake hole - thinking it would be like the teeny sugar bomb. Eeeeewwww ...
    took over a week to lose the bitter taste. Never again

    8<----- HACK ----->8

    I do tomato juice and the cranberry juice - which my nephrologist
    (kidney doc) recommended as being good in several ways for my kidney

    So far my kidneys seem to be doing well without cranberry juice. Had a scare a few years ago with some blood work that indicated maybe
    otherwise so my primary care dr. referred me to a nephrologist. He said all was well, just come back once a year to keep an eye on things. Last time I saw him, he suggested drinking more water (or whatever) to stay better hydrated; this was not too long after our most recent long cross country trip.

    Back in the day when I was ignoring ny high blood pressure one of the
    side consequences was damaged kidneys. So I'm on a "water" pill for life (literally) and have to keep hydrated abd watch my potassium levels. I'm
    not sure about this 'living' gig. If it was easy anyone could do it. Bv)=

    functions - and lemon juice to add to the water I drink. If I do drink soda it'd as an accompaniment to a meal. Just for drinking, once I'm
    done with my half- pot of coffee it's water w/lemon for the rest of
    the day.

    Soda is generally only with meals, unless I really need hydration and water isn't reasonably available. Otherwise it's water, flavored or otherwise--at lunch (out) today it was with 2 slices of lemon.

    I find that it helps cut the chlorine taste in my local tap water. If
    I'm dining out I generally have only water w/lemon to drink. If I go
    to breakfast at Charlie Parker's (out nationally known diner) I get the
    "Early Bird" speciasl of 2 eggs, meat, taters (hash browns, American fries (1/2"-ish cubes) or Tater Tots. And sine I don't drink coffee once I've
    left the house - they give me a large (14 oz) glass of tomato juice. A
    very good and filling deal.

    on. I tried RH> to suggest some better subs for things but she
    resisted
    change. RH> Probably some of that was dementia starting to kick in but
    she was RH> diagnosed diabeticc several years before that. Don't know
    what her A1Cs RH> ran but morning b/g checks ran in the 140s. Dr. just
    had her on RH> metformin.

    140 fasting see *very* high. If my fasting sugar is above 110 I get
    concerned.

    Another thing that I do routinely is to use honey as a sweetner. Especially in tea - hot or iced. It even makes the oil of bergamot in
    Earl Gray tea almost palatable. Bv)=

    We use that, sorgum and molasses. Any sugar I buy is brown, powdered,
    raw or turbinado; main use of the latter two is in making jam or
    preserves (which I eat very little of).

    Sorghum is hard to find around here in the stupormarkups. Humphrey's do
    stock it else I'd have to visit the outlet store for the processor - for
    both the molasses and the flour.

    I'm still amazed that many people do not know that shorhum is from the
    corn family. Does the use of sorghum molasses affect Steve's headaches at
    all? Or is it sAfe for him?

    Not even on your PB&J sandwiches? <VBSEG>

    Not even those. (G)

    Title: Apple Rice Pudding
    Categories: Diabetic, Desserts, Rice, Fruits
    Yield: 6 Servings

    Hmm, looks interesting. I use brown rice, jasmine rice or a rice blend (put out by Lundberg). The brown would work the best all around of the
    3, jasmine and blend is for when I cook Asian or just want a different side.

    My default rice is bassmati (or Texmati). No special reason for it -
    just fell into its use after buting a BIG (30#) bag at a Big Lots
    store. Realised when I got it home that's a LOT of rice. Especially
    for a single guy cooking mostly for himself.

    It freezes well, both raw and cooked. I've got some in the freezer I
    need to pull out this week and use, maybe in chicken soup now that the weather has cooled down. Also have to pull out some pumpkin next week
    to make a pumpkin roll for Steve's birthday.

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    Title: Peach Skillet Cake w/Sorghum Flour
    Categories: Cakes, Fruits, Spices
    Yield: 8 Servings

    1 1/4 c Sorghum A-P flour
    1 ts Baking powder
    1/2 ts Baking soda
    1/4 ts Salt
    4 tb Butter; room temperature
    2/3 c Granulated sugar
    3 lg Eggs
    1 ts Vanilla
    1/3 c Buttermilk
    2 Ripe peaches; peeled, pitted
    - sliced
    2 tb Cinnamon sugar; topping

    Set oven @ 360ºF/182ºC.

    Prepare a 10" ovenproof skillet with cooking spray.

    Whisk together sorghum flour, baking powder, baking soda
    and salt. Set aside.

    In separate bowl, beat butter and sugar with a mixer on
    medium speed until light and fluffy. Add vanilla. Beat
    in eggs and buttermilk. Add dry ingredients and mix
    until blended.

    Pour batter into prepared skillet. Place peach slices in
    spiral fan on top. Sprinkle with cinnamon sugar. Bake
    until golden brown and a toothpick inserted in the
    center comes out clean, 30 to 35 minutes.

    The batter bakes up around the peaches. Let cool
    slightly before serving. Cake can be served as rustic
    dessert topped with whipped cream sweetened with sorghum
    syrup or as a breakfast cake.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.allrecipes.com

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  • From Ben Collver@1:105/500 to Dave Drum on Wed Oct 22 08:33:14 2025
    Re: Re: Extra Sweet
    By: Dave Drum to Ruth Haffly on Tue Oct 21 2025 06:16 am

    Title: Peach Skillet Cake w/Sorghum Flour

    This one sounds good to me, i'm saving it to try later with a can of
    peaches. Thanks!

    I don't understand how y'all can feel comfortable disclosing all those
    medical details in a public Internet-accessible forum. Maybe i will
    eventually understand if i survive that long. ;)

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    Title: Chocolate Avocado Pudding
    Categories: Puddings, Vegan
    Yield: 3 Servings

    1 sm Ripe avocado; pitted, peeled
    1/3 c Thick white coconut cream
    - (80 ml)
    1/4 c Maple syrup or agave nectar
    - (60 ml)
    1 sm Small banana (100 g);
    - mashed
    1/3 c Unsweetened cocoa/cacao
    - powder (35 g)
    1 tb Cacao nibs or chocolate
    - chips (10 g) (optional)

    Preparation time: 10 minutes

    This Chocolate Avocado Pudding is ultra rich and decadent, with the
    creamiest texture and deepest chocolate flavour. Just 10 minutes of
    prep!

    Add the avocado and coconut cream to a food processor and pulse
    together until incorporated.

    Add the maple syrup, banana, and cocoa powder and blend until
    incorporated, about 15 to 30 seconds.

    Add the cacao nibs if desired and blend again.

    Scoop the pudding into one container or 3 to 4 mini containers. Cover
    the top with saran wrap, pressing until the pudding so that water
    doesn't condense in the pudding.

    Place in your fridge for at least 3 hours to set.

    Garnish with a mint leaf, coconut whipped cream, and a sprinkling of
    cocoa powder.

    Recipe by Jessica Hylton

    Recipe FROM: <https://jessicainthekitchen.com/
    creamy-chocolate-avocado-pudding-v-gf/>

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ben Collver on Thu Oct 23 06:06:06 2025
    Ben Collver wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Title: Peach Skillet Cake w/Sorghum Flour

    This one sounds good to me, i'm saving it to try later with a can of peaches. Thanks!

    I don't understand how y'all can feel comfortable disclosing all those medical details in a public Internet-accessible forum. Maybe i will eventually understand if i survive that long. ;)

    I'm 83 years old and have nothing to hide. I'm not sure if Ruth has
    hit Social Security age yet or not. Disclosing details such as we chat
    about in here is unlikely to increase either postal or electronic SPAM.

    I can count on getting a couple of hearing aid leaflets and at least one
    for burial insurance pamphlet every week.

    The bury-em-deep folks don't know I have a pre-paid cremation and have
    old my brother to put my ashes in the trunk of his car to use at need
    for trasction. So I can go on being of some use to someone

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    Title: Meaty Sloppy Joe Pockets
    Categories:
    Yield: 8 servings

    1 lb Ground beef (90%/10%)
    1/4 c Finely chopped onion
    1/4 c Finely chopped celery
    1/4 c Shredded carrot
    8 oz Can tomato sauce
    1/4 c Ketchup
    2 tb Brown sugar
    1 tb Red wine vinegar
    1 tl Worcestershire sauce
    1 tb Tomato paste
    16.3 oz Can large refrigerated
    - buttermilk biscuits
    1/2 c Shredded Cheddar cheese; opt

    In a large skillet, cook beef, onion, celery and carrot
    over medium heat 6-8 minutes or until beef is no longer
    pink and vegetables are tender, breaking up beef into
    crumbles; drain.

    Stir in tomato sauce, ketchup, brown sugar, vinegar,
    Worcestershire sauce and tomato paste. Bring to a boil.
    Reduce heat; simmer, uncovered, 10-15 minutes or until
    thickened, stirring occasionally. Cool completely.

    Seat oven @ 350oF/175oC.

    On a lightly floured surface, pat or roll each biscuit
    into a 6-in. circle. Spoon scant 1/3 cup beef mixture
    over half of each circle to within 1/2 in. of edge. If
    desired, sprinkle with cheese. Fold dough over filling;
    press edge with a fork to seal.

    Place on an ungreased baking sheet. Cut three slits in
    top of each. Bake 18-20 minutes or until golden brown.

    Shelly Flye, Albion, Maine

    Makes: 8 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.tasteofhome.com

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  • From Ben Collver@1:105/500 to Dave Drum on Thu Oct 23 06:37:23 2025
    Re: Re: Extra Sweet
    By: Dave Drum to Ben Collver on Thu Oct 23 2025 06:06 am

    The bury-em-deep folks don't know I have a pre-paid cremation and have old my brother to put my ashes in the trunk of his car to use at need for trasction. So I can go on being of some use to someone

    After my grandfather retired he worked as a grave digger. He witnessed
    the local family mortuaries being purchased by nation-wide chains, and
    he said there were only one or two of those chains that owned practically
    all of the mortuaries in this state. After they gained control they successfully influenced the state to pass a law requiring embalming
    within a ridiculously short period of time after death, supposedly for
    public health reasons but not backed by any real evidence. He said it
    was purely to put extra pressure on grieving people to make them even
    easier to profit from. He said that the mortuaries sold expensive and
    fancy looking coffins that appeared to be made out of finished hard wood
    but were actually cardboard. After hearing a lot of that, i became firmly
    in the cremation "camp" too. The money lenders outside this "temple" can
    go whip themselves.

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    Title: Zucchini Short Rib Stew
    Categories: Beef, Stews, Zucchini
    Yield: 4 Servings

    2 lb Short ribs
    2 tb Cooking oil
    1 c Water
    Salt & pepper
    1 lg Onion; chopped
    2 c Zucchini; sliced
    9 oz Can crushed pineapple
    1 c Tomatoes; peeled, chopped
    8 oz Egg noodles; cooked

    Brown meat in cooking oil. Add water, salt, and pepper. Cover and
    simmer for 2 hours. Skim fat; remove meat and set aside. Add enough
    water to remaining broth to make 1 cup and set aside. In the pan with
    additional oil, saute onion and zucchini until soft. Mix in all
    ingredients except noodles and simmer gently for about 20 minutes.
    Serve over hot noodles.

    Recipe by Zucchini Cookbook by Nancy C. Ralston & Marynor Jordan, 1977

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  • From Dave Drum@1:124/5016 to Ben Collver on Fri Oct 24 06:38:57 2025
    Ben Collver wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    The bury-em-deep folks don't know I have a pre-paid cremation and have old my brother to put my ashes in the trunk of his car to use at need for trasction. So I can go on being of some use to someone

    After my grandfather retired he worked as a grave digger. He witnessed the local family mortuaries being purchased by nation-wide chains, and
    he said there were only one or two of those chains that owned

    8<----- EDIT ----->8

    hearing a lot of that, i became firmly in the cremation "camp" too.
    The money lenders outside this "temple" can go whip themselves.

    The worst we have around here is a couplr mini-chains. And the biggest
    of those has six planting parlors. Pickling is not requires here except
    in "certain" circumstances. I won't get into that here lest we get a
    rocket from our moderator.

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    Title: Boyar Funeral Zharkoye
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1/2 lb Beef
    5 Potatoes
    1 lg Onion
    2 tb Butter
    1 lg Carrot
    1 Parsley root
    1 Celery root
    2 cl Garlic
    1 tb Sour cream
    2 tb Chopped dill & parsley
    Salt & ground pepper

    Peel potatoes, wash, cut into cubes and fry in butter
    until light golden. Slice onion and fry in butter until
    golden. Cut carrot into small cubes and fry in butter.

    Dice beef and fry in butter until light brown. In a
    ceramic pot, put beef, potatoes, onion, carrot, roots,
    garlic, season with salt and pepper and pour over a
    little broth.

    Stew in the oven on average heat for 30 minutes. 10
    minutes before, add sour cream and sprinkle with green.

    Serve Zharkoye with salad from fresh vegetables,
    pickles, sauerkraut and green.

    Source: Olga Timokhina

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.ruscuisine.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:124/5016 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Oct 24 06:38:57 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    It was in just about anything that was "diet" or "low Calorie" for a
    long time--until scientists got ahold of it and fed it to a lot of lab rats. I think it was the only "artificial sweetener" around, so it was very common for common folks to use.

    My Granny stocked the tiny tablets. I learned a bitter (literally)
    lesson when I w2as six years old. Took one of the tablets and popped
    it into my cake hole - thinking it would be like the teeny sugar bomb. Eeeeewwww ... took over a week to lose the bitter taste. Never again

    I tasted a tiny bit of crystalised stuff that was around the rim of the bottle my parents had--and like you, instant eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww
    ! Also, the summer after my last year of high school but before
    starting college, I visited my mom's younger sister for a week. One
    night she offered me a can of diet Dr. Pepper; I drank it but after the first couple of swallows vowed never to drink it again. Don't remember what the sweetener was but the combination of that and Dr. Pepper converted me to a life long Coke drinker.

    Diet "any soda" used to be verrrrrry strange tasting. It has improved a
    lot over the years but I still get the off-putting metallic taste. There
    used to was a soda calle Diet Rite Cola. I've not seen it for a long time,

    I did discover a Dr. Pepper product Iquite like,mthough. Sugar free Pwppwe mixed with Cream Soda. Apparently other like it as well becaouse it's hard
    to find it not store shelves. Bv)=

    Kinda like my Dannon chocolate/raspberry/fat free yogut. Hard to keep
    in stock.

    8<----- HACK ----->8

    I do tomato juice and the cranberry juice - which my nephrologist
    (kidney doc) recommended as being good in several ways for my kidney

    So far my kidneys seem to be doing well without cranberry juice. Had a scare a few years ago with some blood work that indicated maybe
    otherwise so my primary care dr. referred me to a nephrologist. He said all was well, just come back once a year to keep an eye on things. Last time I saw him, he suggested drinking more water (or whatever) to stay better hydrated; this was not too long after our most recent long cross country trip.

    Staying hydrated on a long trip is easy for guys. Andy bush, tree or the vehicle itself provides enough of a "fig leaf" for easing of the pressur.
    Women don't have the same advantageous plumbing.

    8<-----SNIP ----->8

    I'd ask for a cuppa tea--English Breakfast or something similar. My morning cup is usually British Blend but I will drink others if that
    isn't available.

    For breakfast - if I'm having tea - it's Lipton "orange, oekoe and pekoe"
    ot, if I'm home it might be Constant Comment blend.

    TO BE CONTINUED

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    Title: Liver & Gall-bladder Tea *
    Categories: Five, Beverages, Herbs, Roots
    Yield: 1 Serving

    5 tb Birch leaves
    5 tb Stinging nettle leaves
    4 tb Milk thistle fruit, crushed
    2 tb Dandelion roots and tops

    Pour 1 cup of boiling water over 2 ts of this mixture,
    steep covered for ten minutes; strain and sip warm tea
    between meals.

    Every two weeks alternate with dandelion tea.

    * Contains neither liver nor gall bladder - UDD

    From: http://www.alive.com

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Fri Oct 24 15:58:43 2025
    Dave Drum wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    There used to was a soda calle Diet Rite Cola. I've not seen it for a long time,

    Dite Rite is still around in my area. I can buy it in a 12 pack at the
    Dollar General store just down the road.

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    Title: Sweet Potato Shepherd's Pie
    Categories: Main dish, Beef, Pies, Potatoes, Cheese/eggs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    FORMATTED BY WENDY
    CERACCHE-----
    DBCP84B-----
    5 lb Sweet potatoes -- mashed
    1 c Bread crumbs
    4 Egg yolks
    3/4 c Raisins or currants
    3 lb Ground beef
    2 ts Ground cinnamon
    2 c Spanish onions -- chopped
    1/2 ts Crushed red pepper flakes
    4 Garlic cloves -- chopped
    Salt to taste
    1 qt Canned crushed tomatoes
    Opt crumbled bacon-garnish
    1/4 c Tomato paste

    Beat mashed potatoes with yolks until smooth; set aside. Brown ground
    beef, drain if needed, and add onions and garlic. Cook for 5-6 min.
    Add tomatoes and paste and cook 2-3 more min. Remove from heat and
    add bread crumbs, raisins, and spices, mixing well. Turn meat mixture
    into a lightly greased pan. Top evenly with potatoes. Bake for 1 hr.
    at 375 degrees or until top is browned. Cut into even squares and
    sprinkle each with bacon or chopped scallions.

    Recipe By :

    From: Emory!rahul.Net![email protected]: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 07:48:43
    ~0800 (

    File
    ftp://ftp.idiscover.co.uk/pub/food/mealmaster/recipes/mmdja006.zip

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Fri Oct 24 16:10:26 2025
    Dave Drum wrote to Ben Collver <=-

    I'm 83 years old and have nothing to hide. I'm not sure if Ruth has
    hit Social Security age yet or not. Disclosing details such as we chat about in here is unlikely to increase either postal or electronic SPAM.

    (This echo shouldn't be on the Internet. If it is, I need to talk to
    some people.)

    I am all over the Internet and am very easy to find. I mean, I have
    three public websites, am an amateur radio operator, love to leave
    comments all over social media, and as such, I know people csn find me.

    After all, I lost my right to privacy when I signed the dotted line.

    I can count on getting a couple of hearing aid leaflets and at least
    one for burial insurance pamphlet every week.

    I get junk mail constantly for the former occupant of my apartment who
    must have donated to every Democratic cause in existance. Thankfully,
    when I get my regular mailman, he knows to just toss it for me.

    The bury-em-deep folks don't know I have a pre-paid cremation and have
    old my brother to put my ashes in the trunk of his car to use at need
    for trasction. So I can go on being of some use to someone

    LMAO

    "I'm stuck in the snow but my brother's helping me."

    "How?"

    "..."

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    Title: Trail Mix Tin Can Quick Bread
    Categories: Dupree, Lunch
    Yield: 8 Servings

    2 c Dried fruit bits
    2 c Hot water
    4 ts Baking soda
    1 1/2 c Sugar
    1/4 c Vegetable oil
    1/2 ts Salt
    3 c All-purpose flour
    1 c Chopped walnuts; or pecans
    1/2 ts Cinnamon; optional
    1/2 ts Almond extract; optional

    For fruit - dried cranberries, cherries, blueberries, currants or
    raisins Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.

    Grease and flour two 1-pound coffee cans or 2 9x5-inch loaf pans and
    line bottoms with wax paper. Grease and flour the wax paper.

    Place the fruit bits or raisins in a large bowl, cover with the hot
    water, and stir in the baking soda. Cover with plastic wrap and leave
    overnight to plump. All of the liquid is used in the batter, so don't
    drain.

    Mix together the fruit bits or fruit or raisins, soaking water,
    sugar, oil, salt, flour, and the nuts. Stir to blend. Add the
    cinnamon and almond extract if desired. The batter should be thick
    enough to spoon. If thin, add a small amount of flour.

    Spoon the batter into the prepared cans, filling between 1/2 to 2/3
    full. Push the batter down into the bottom with a spatula. Bake 1
    hour, or until a deep, dark brown.

    Remove the bread from the oven and allow to sit for 10 minutes before
    slipping them out of the containers. Let the breads cool completely
    on wire racks. When completely cooled, return the breads to the cans
    and cover with their plastic lids or wrap tightly in plastic.

    They will keep for 3 or 4 months stored in the refrigerator. Makes 2
    loaves Recipe By
    : Nathalie Dupree, Well-Stocked Pantry

    Posted to MC-Recipe Digest V1 #241

    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:22:13 -0700 (PDT)

    From: PatH <[email protected]>

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Ben Collver on Fri Oct 24 16:11:09 2025
    Ben Collver wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    The money lenders outside this "temple" can go whip themselves.

    I am set up to be buried at the Mountain Home National Cemetery. I can
    be buried in a coffin or a plywood box; my choice.

    I'd prefer to be buried directly in the ground and have a tree planted
    next to me so that over time, I become part of the tree. I have always
    loved nature and I'd love to be part of it. Sadly, Tennessee laws
    forbid direct burial.

    Mountain Home National Cemetery:
    https://shorturl.at/EfPne (va.gov)

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    Title: Tex-Mex Cheese Tortilla Wedges^
    Categories: Appetizers, Lunches, Snacks, Mexican, Summer
    Yield: 8 Servings

    1 c Shredded nonfat mozzarella
    -cheese
    1 c Shredded low-fat extra-sharp
    -Cheddar
    1/2 c Chopped scallions
    1/2 c Chopped fresh cilantro
    8 Flour tortillas; (10"
    -diameter)
    1 md Tomato; thinly sliced
    1/2 c Nonfat plain yogurt or
    -nonfat sour cream

    In a medium bowl, combine the mozzarella, Cheddar, scallions, and
    cilantro. Mix well. Divide the cheese mixture among 4 of the
    tortillas. Top with the tomatoes. Top each tortilla with another
    tortilla.

    In a 10" no-stick skillet over medium-high heat, cook each tortira
    sandwich for 3 minutes, or until golden brown. Turn and cook for I
    minute, or until the cheese melts. Transfer each to a plate. With
    kitchen scissors or a serrated knife, cut each tortilla sandwich into
    8 wedges. Top with the yogurt or sour cream.

    Makes 32

    Freeze the cooled cooked tortilla sandwiches whole. Layer them Between
    sheets of freezer-quality foil, then wrap well in foil.

    To use, thaw overtnight in the refrigerator, then reheat in the oven
    at 350'F for 15 minutes, or until hot. Cut into wedges, top with the
    yogurt; or sour cream.

    These are convenient to have tucked in the freezer for parties as
    well as for lunch or supper main dishes. This recipe makes enough to
    serve 4 as an entree, accompanied by soup and a green salad.

    Recipe by: Prevention's Freezer Cookbook - For the Freezer

    Posted to EAT-LF Digest by [email protected] on Jun 8, 1999, converted
    by MM_Buster v2.0l.

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Sean Dennis on Sat Oct 25 07:14:55 2025
    Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    There used to was a soda called Diet Rite Cola. I've not seen it for a long time,

    Dite Rite is still around in my area. I can buy it in a 12 pack at the Dollar General store just down the road.

    Ours went awat when Whistle folded their tent here. All sodas bottled
    by them were in glass deposit bottles. The convenience of lasndfillable
    cans w/no deposit (in this state) did them in. They had a really good
    orange soda and but I mostly miss the Grapeette. I really liked it.

    Not well enough to go to WalMart/Scams Club which are the only places
    it is sold currently.

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    Title: Sweet Potato Shepherd's Pie
    Categories: Main dish, Beef, Pies, Potatoes, Cheese/eggs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    FORMATTED BY WENDY
    CERACCHE-----
    DBCP84B-----
    5 lb Sweet potatoes -- mashed
    1 c Bread crumbs
    4 Egg yolks
    3/4 c Raisins or currants
    3 lb Ground beef
    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    Pedant mode on: It's got beef so it's a cottage pie. Shepherd is from
    "Sheep Herder" and a Shepherd's Pie is *only* made with lamb/mutton.

    That doesn't mean it's not good - just mis-named. Bv)=

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    Title: Humphrey's Traditional Irish Shepherd's Pie
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Herbs, Potatoes, Dairy
    Yield: 4 Servings

    2 tb Oil
    1 lg Onion; fine cut
    1 1/4 lb Lean ground lamb, beef, or
    - turkey
    4 cl Garlic; minced
    1 Bay leaf
    1 1/4 c Hot water
    2 tb Tomato paste
    2 tb Worcestershire sauce
    1/4 ts Salt
    Ground black pepper
    pn Thyme
    1 lb Frozen mixed vegetables;
    - peas, carrots, corn, (opt)
    - mushrooms, green beans

    MMMMM--------------------------TOPPING-------------------------------
    2 1/2 lb Russet potatoes
    Salt & pepper
    4 tb Unsalted butter
    1/2 c Whole milk or cream
    1 Egg yolk
    3 Scallions; thin sliced (opt)

    * Shepherd's Pie has always been a staple of traditional
    Irish cooking. The British use lamb in their Shepherd's
    Pie, but beef is quite popular and ground turkey can be
    used if preferred. This recipe can also be made in
    individual pie dishes, which are always a hit. Drop by
    Humphrey's Market to pick up all of your ingredients.

    Add 2 Tbsp oil to a medium-size pot, on medium heat,
    saute the onions until golden.

    Raise the heat to medium-high, add meat, continuously
    stir while sauteing, until it begins to brown.

    When meat is cooked through, add 1 1/4 cups of hot water,
    bay leaf and garlic, put lid on and bring to a simmer and
    put the heat on low. Simmer for 30 minutes or until the
    liquid reduces to 1/2 cup.

    Meanwhile, peel and cube potatoes in 3cm/1" sq, boil in
    water, until tender. Drain, add salt and pepper to taste,
    add butter and mash.

    Beat the egg yolk with milk. Add to the mashed potatoes
    and stir. Add sliced scallions and stir. Set aside.

    To the simmered meat, add tomato paste, Worcestershire
    sauce, salt, pepper, thyme, and frozen vegetables. Mix
    well and simmer for 5 more minutes. Empty into an
    oven-safe deep dish and remove bay leaf.

    Place rack on middle shelf of the oven, set thermostat
    to 205ºC/400ºF.

    Spread mashed potatoes over top of the meat mixture.
    Rough up with a fork so that there are peaks -or- use the
    fork to make some designs so the top will brown nicely.

    Bake for 30-45 minutes, until golden brown on the top.

    UDD NOTE: If you make this with non- ovine meat please
    call it "Cottage" pie. Shepherd's Pie is reserved for
    sheep meat. Your lexicographer will thank you.

    Makes 4 servings

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.humphreysmarket.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

    ... Bake the bread - buy the butter!
    --- MultiMail/Win
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Sean Dennis on Sat Oct 25 08:01:21 2025
    Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I'm 83 years old and have nothing to hide. I'm not sure if Ruth has
    hit Social Security age yet or not. Disclosing details such as we chat about in here is unlikely to increase either postal or electronic SPAM.

    (This echo shouldn't be on the Internet. If it is, I need to talk to
    some people.)

    I am all over the Internet and am very easy to find. I mean, I have
    three public websites, am an amateur radio operator, love to leave comments all over social media, and as such, I know people csn find me.

    After all, I lost my right to privacy when I signed the dotted line.

    I can count on getting a couple of hearing aid leaflets and at least
    one for burial insurance pamphlet every week.

    I get junk mail constantly for the former occupant of my apartment who must have donated to every Democratic cause in existance. Thankfully, when I get my regular mailman, he knows to just toss it for me.

    Maybe not as many Democratic causes as you might think. I only signed up for/donated to ONE campaign (Tammy Duckworth) who is a rarity in politics
    in that she takes care of her people and is a moderate with that most un- common of commodities in a political figre - common sense.

    Yet, from that one association I get e-mail and snail mail from every (or nearly) Democratic cause in the world. I got on yesterday from the DSCC (Democratic Senate Campaign Committee) listing an impressive litany of well-known personages saying "(NAME) asked you, (NAME) asked ... through
    a long list of names.

    Yesterday I replied to the dialy e-mail with IIf I didn't share my treasure with them why would you think your sorry a$$ is any different>" Apparently their mail robot doesn't understand plain (and snarky) American idiom

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: 1 Minute Microwave Chocolate Cupcakes
    Categories: Cakes, Snacks, Chocolate
    Yield: 2 cupcakes

    13 g (1 tb) Butter
    12 g (2 tb) Cocoa powder
    30 g (2 tb) Sugar
    40 g (3 tb) Milk
    20 g (2 tb) A-P flour
    1/4 ts Baking powder

    MMMMM--------------------CHOCOLATE FROSTING--------------------------
    50 g (1 1/2 oz) Nutella
    70 g (2 oz) Cold heavy cream
    Sprinkles (opt)

    In a microwave-safe bowl melt the butter.

    Add the cocoa powder and mix to combine.

    Add the sugar, room temperature milk, baking powder and
    flour and mix to combine.

    Transfer the mixture in 2 cupcake liners ( double or
    triple the liners - see the video for explanation). Fill
    the liners only half way.

    Cook ONE cupcake at a time for 30 - 45 seconds. DO NOT
    overcook these or they’ll dry out.

    Allow the cupcakes to cool for 10 minutes before frosting.

    Pipe the frosting onto the cupcakes, and optionally
    decorate with sprinkles.

    NOTES: Remember, different ingredients have different
    densities. So don’t get confused when you see in the
    ingredients that 2 tbsp of flour and 2 tbsp of sugar
    have different amounts in grams.

    Every microwave is different. Microwave cupcakes can
    take anywhere between 30 and 45 seconds to cook. Be
    careful to not overcook your cupcakes.

    By: Emma fontanella

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.emmafontanella.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM
    .

    The bury-em-deep folks don't know I have a pre-paid cremation and have
    old my brother to put my ashes in the trunk of his car to use at need
    for trasction. So I can go on being of some use to someone

    LMAO

    "I'm stuck in the snow but my brother's helping me."

    "How?"

    "..."

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Trail Mix Tin Can Quick Bread
    Categories: Dupree, Lunch
    Yield: 8 Servings



    ... In the world of candy, apple flavour must be green not red
    --- MultiMail/Win
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Oct 24 16:03:11 2025
    Hi Dave,

    rats. I think it was the only "artificial sweetener" around, so it was

    My Granny stocked the tiny tablets. I learned a bitter (literally)
    lesson when I w2as six years old. Took one of the tablets and popped
    it into my cake hole - thinking it would be like the teeny sugar bomb. Eeeeewwww ... took over a week to lose the bitter taste. Never again

    I tasted a tiny bit of crystalised stuff that was around the rim of the bottle my parents had--and like you, instant eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww
    ! Also, the summer after my last year of high school but before
    starting college, I visited my mom's younger sister for a week. One
    night she offered me a can of diet Dr. Pepper; I drank it but after the first couple of swallows vowed never to drink it again. Don't remember what the sweetener was but the combination of that and Dr. Pepper converted me to a life long Coke drinker.

    Diet "any soda" used to be verrrrrry strange tasting. It has improved
    a lot over the years but I still get the off-putting metallic taste.
    There used to was a soda calle Diet Rite Cola. I've not seen it for a long time,

    I remember seeing it but never tried it. Drank a lot of the regular Coke
    for years, then Steve suggested that I trade off for diet Coke. Saved
    calories for other goodies, carbs when I was diagnosed diabetic.

    I did discover a Dr. Pepper product Iquite like,mthough. Sugar free
    Pwppwe mixed with Cream Soda. Apparently other like it as well DD>
    becaouse it's hard to find it not store shelves. Bv)=

    Kinda like my Dannon chocolate/raspberry/fat free yogut. Hard to keep
    in stock.

    And not one that can be replicated with just a scoop of raspberry jam in
    plain yogurt. You need a source of good chocolate also.


    I do tomato juice and the cranberry juice - which my nephrologist
    (kidney doc) recommended as being good in several ways for my kidney

    So far my kidneys seem to be doing well without cranberry juice. Had a scare a few years ago with some blood work that indicated maybe
    otherwise so my primary care dr. referred me to a nephrologist. He said all was well, just come back once a year to keep an eye on things. Last time I saw him, he suggested drinking more water (or whatever) to stay better hydrated; this was not too long after our most recent long cross country trip.

    Staying hydrated on a long trip is easy for guys. Andy bush, tree or
    the vehicle itself provides enough of a "fig leaf" for easing of the pressur. Women don't have the same advantageous plumbing.

    No, but having the camper has been handy for both of us. Just have to
    find a relativly level space and pull off the road, lower the steps and
    make sure the water pump is turned on.

    8<-----SNIP ----->8

    I'd ask for a cuppa tea--English Breakfast or something similar. My morning cup is usually British Blend but I will drink others if that
    isn't available.

    For breakfast - if I'm having tea - it's Lipton "orange, oekoe and
    pekoe" ot, if I'm home it might be Constant Comment blend.

    TO BE CONTINUED

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


    ... OH NO! Not ANOTHER learning experience!

    --- PPoint 3.01
    * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28)
  • From Ben Collver@1:105/500 to Sean Dennis on Sat Oct 25 08:09:18 2025
    Re: Re: Extra Sweet
    By: Sean Dennis to Ben Collver on Fri Oct 24 2025 04:11 pm

    I'd prefer to be buried directly in the ground and have a tree planted
    next to me so that over time, I become part of the tree. I have always loved nature and I'd love to be part of it.

    I share that sentiment. When i was a kid my grandparents buried their
    beloved dog at the foot of an apple tree. I am currently eating apples
    from that tree.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Laxative Fruit Roll
    Categories: Fruit
    Yield: 1 Batch

    1 lb Dried black figs
    1/2 lb Raisins
    2 tb Slippery elm bark
    3 tb Senna leaves; powdered
    4 tb Charcoal; powdered
    4 tb Soy or safflower oil
    4 tb Honey

    Grind figs and raisins in food chopper and mix with other
    ingredients. When thoroughly blended, shape into a small loaf or
    roll. Wrap in wax paper and keep in refrigerator, slicing as needed.

    Recipe by Gypsy Boots

    Recipe FROM: Bare Feet And Good Things To Eat, 1965

    MMMMM
    --- SBBSecho 3.23-Win32
    * Origin: The Fool's Quarter, fqbbs.synchro.net (1:105/500)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Sat Oct 25 14:00:09 2025
    Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Not well enough to go to WalMart/Scams Club which are the only places
    it is sold currently.

    I didn't know Grapette was its own brand. I thought it was a Walmart
    store brand. Shows what I know.

    Pedant mode on: It's got beef so it's a cottage pie. Shepherd is from "Sheep Herder" and a Shepherd's Pie is *only* made with lamb/mutton.

    I remember your discussion with Ben about that recently.

    That doesn't mean it's not good - just mis-named. Bv)=

    Yeah and that can cause confusion.

    ... Bake the bread - buy the butter!

    I'd like to try to make "farmer's cheese" at home sometime.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Farmer Cheese Cheesecake
    Categories: November 19
    Yield: 1 Servings

    1 Crumb-crust recipe; made
    -with finely
    ; ground graham
    ; crackers
    5 pk Farmer cheese; (or cottage
    -cheese),
    ; softened (8-oz)
    3 3/4 tb All-purpose flour
    Finely grated zest of 1
    -orange
    Finely grated zest of 1
    -lemon
    5 lg Eggs
    2 lg Egg yolks
    1/2 ts Vanilla

    Make crumb crust as directed in separate recipe. Preheat oven to 550F.

    Puree farmer cheese (or cottage cheese) with sugar in a food processor
    until completely smooth. Then beat together cheese, sugar, flour, and
    zests with an electric mixer until smooth. Add eggs and yolks, 1 at a
    time, then vanilla, beating on low speed until each ingredient is
    incorporated and scraping down bowl between additions.

    Put springform pan with crust in a shallow baking pan. Pour filling
    into crust (springform pan will be completely full) and bake in
    baking pan (to catch drips) in middle of oven 12 minutes, or until
    puffed. Reduce temperature to 200F and continue baking until cake is
    mostly firm (center will still be slightly wobbly when pan is gently
    shaken), about 1 hour more.

    Run a knife around top edge of cake to loosen and cool completely in
    springform pan on a rack. Chill cake, loosely covered, at least 6
    hours. Remove side of pan and transfer cake to a plate. Bring to room
    temperature before serving.

    Cooks' note:

    � Cheesecake keeps, covered and chilled, 2 weeks.

    Gourmet November 1999

    Converted by MC_Buster.

    Per serving: 560 Calories (kcal); 33g Total Fat; (54% calories from
    fat); 36g Protein; 26g Carbohydrate; 1360mg Cholesterol; 292mg Sodium
    Food Exchanges: 1 1/2 Grain(Starch); 4 1/2 Lean Meat; 0 Vegetable; 0
    Fruit; 3
    1/2 Fat; 0 Other Carbohydrates

    Converted by MM_Buster v2.0n.

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

    ... "When I was a boy the Dead Sea was only sick." - George Burns
    --- MultiMail/Win
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Sat Oct 25 14:05:47 2025
    Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Yet, from that one association I get e-mail and snail mail from every
    (or nearly) Democratic cause in the world. I got on yesterday from the DSCC (Democratic Senate Campaign Committee) listing an impressive
    litany of well-known personages saying "(NAME) asked you, (NAME) asked
    ... through a long list of names.

    I asked my postmaster in-person if they can stop delivering the constant
    junk mail and he said since the previous resident didn't submit a change
    of address, they legally have to deliver the junk ail to me. *eyeroll*

    Yesterday I replied to the dialy e-mail with IIf I didn't share my treasure with them why would you think your sorry a$$ is any
    different>" Apparently their mail robot doesn't understand plain (and snarky) American idiom

    Bots have no sense of humor.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Union Square Brunch
    Categories: Brunch, Lunch
    Yield: 8 Servings

    2 tb Butter
    1 lb Mushrooms, sliced
    1 md Onion, chopped
    1 tb Vegetable oil
    3/4 lb Sweet Italian chicken or
    -turkey sausage
    12 sl White bread, crusts removed
    1/2 lb Grated sharp Cheddar cheese
    6 Eggs
    2 1/2 c Milk
    1 tb Dijon-style mustard
    1/4 ts Nutmeg (up to 1/2)

    Copyright Washington Post

    This recipe is adapted from a dish in the new "A Cozy Book of
    Breakfasts & Brunches," by Jim Brown and Karletta Moniz (Prima,
    1997). The authors describe it as a savory bread pudding. We call it
    a make-ahead meal in a dish.

    In a 12-inch nonstick skillet, melt the butter over medium heat. Add
    the mushrooms and onion, and cook until the onions are translucent,
    about 10 minutes. Remove from the pan and place in a medium bowl. In
    the same skillet, heat the oil and brown the sausage, breaking it up
    until it is crumbly. Drain well and add to the mushroom-onion mixture.

    Butter a 13-by-9-inch baking dish and cover the bottom with half the
    bread, then half the mushroom-onion-sausage mixture, then half the
    cheese. Make another layer with the remaining bread,
    mushroom-onion-sausage mixture and cheese. In a medium bowl, mix the
    eggs, milk, mustard and nutmeg. Pour this mixture over the layers in
    the baking dish. Cover and refrigerate overnight.

    The next day, preheat the oven to 350 degrees. Bake, uncovered, for 1
    hour, until the top is brown and the eggs are completely set.

    Per serving: 413 calories, 23 gm protein, 26 gm carbohydrates, 23 gm
    fat, 215 mg cholesterol, 7 gm saturated fat, 639 mg sodium

    Posted to FOODWINE Digest 19 Dec 96

    From: Laurie Thompson <[email protected]>

    Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:37:23 -0500

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

    ... I'm not afraid of death. I just don't want to be there when it happens.
    --- MultiMail/Win
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Oct 26 20:11:02 2025
    Hi Dave,

    There used to was a soda calle Diet Rite Cola. I've not seen it for a long time,

    I remember seeing it but never tried it. Drank a lot of the regular
    Coke for years, then Steve suggested that I trade off for diet Coke.
    Saved calories for other goodies, carbs when I was diagnosed diabetic.

    Aspertame is what makes the diet colas taste metallic to me. Coke
    Zero uses *some* aspertame but mainly acesulfame potassium and
    stevia. It's flavour profile is very much closer to the "realMcCoy".

    I've been drinking Diet Coke for so long that when I tried a Coke Zero,
    it didn't taste right to me. It has a slightly different flavor profile
    so I'll stay with Diet Coke as long as I can (no pun intended).


    I note that Coke is going back to cane sugar for its sweetner and
    drop\ kicking the HFCS to the curb. Now I won't have to se3arch out Mexican
    Coco Cola if I need the fully leaded stuff as an ingredient.

    Or stock up on Mexican Coke or KFP Coke. (G)

    I did discover a Dr. Pepper product Iquite like,mthough. Sugar free
    Pwppwe mixed with Cream Soda. Apparently other like it as well DD>
    becaouse it's hard to find it not store shelves. Bv)=

    Kinda like my Dannon chocolate/raspberry/fat free yogut. Hard to keep
    in stock.

    And not one that can be replicated with just a scoop of raspberry jam
    in plain yogurt. You need a source of good chocolate also.

    The "Fruit on the bottom" yoghurts are nice. The 4 1/2 oz little tubs
    are a pleasant snack if I get hunger pangs twixt meal times. Or just because.

    I have a Wegman's fruit on the bottom yogurt most days for breakfast.
    Rotate between blueberry, peach, strawberry and raspberry, the latter 2
    being my favorites. If I'm not able to get Wegman's, I'll usually find
    Dannon's and get it; I'll also get skyr, an Icelandic yogurt like
    product. I've also found quark, a German yogurt like product
    occaisionally in the States, had it quite often when stationed over
    there but not so much since we've been back due to lack of availability.

    I do tomato juice and the cranberry juice - which my nephrologist
    (kidney doc) recommended as being good in several ways for my kidney

    So far my kidneys seem to be doing well without cranberry juice. Had a scare a few years ago with some blood work that indicated maybe
    otherwise so my primary care dr. referred me to a nephrologist. He said all was well, just come back once a year to keep an eye on things. Last time I saw him, he suggested drinking more water (or whatever) to stay better hydrated; this was not too long after our most recent long cross country trip.

    Staying hydrated on a long trip is easy for guys. Andy bush, tree or
    the vehicle itself provides enough of a "fig leaf" for easing of the pressur. Women don't have the same advantageous plumbing.

    No, but having the camper has been handy for both of us. Just have to
    find a relativly level space and pull off the road, lower the steps and make sure the water pump is turned on.

    Not everyone brings their own Extended Stay America suite with then.
    Bv)=

    No, and there have been times, even with it, that have been close calls.
    Worst time without the camper (but just made it safely) was one time
    coming down from a trip up north. Heard on traffic radio of an accident southbound on I-95, south of DC and just south of where we would pick it
    up that morning on our traffic radio station, figured it would be
    cleared by the time we hit the area in late afternoon. Got to where we
    picked up I-95 and the traffic flow was slower than molasses in January.
    We were in the wrong lane to get to the rest area a few miles down the
    road so had to hold it in until we got to the Quantico area. Took the
    first exit that offered gas or food, pulled into a Firehouse Subs and
    both of us made a fast trip to the facilities before even looking at the
    meal choices. But yes, overall, having the camper has added a layer of convenience for us.

    Tried a new to us place after church today, Taza Grill. They advertise themselves as "The Best Mediterranian Food in the Area!". We both had
    the lamb platter, came with lots of lamb (their words, but true), very
    tender and Greek Salad, Cucumber Sauce, Hummus and Warm Pita Bread (Caps
    all theirs). It was pretty good, large servings so I took home maybe
    about half of my lamb, pita and some hummus. We'll probably stick with
    our usual local Mediterranian place but this one was a good one to try.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


    ... MEMORY...The thing I forget with.

    --- PPoint 3.01
    * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28)
  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Sean Dennis on Mon Oct 27 13:55:03 2025
    Hi Sean,


    I know, I've heard about that too. But it won't stop me from drinking
    the diet version.

    Oh, I wasn't trying to put you off of drinking diet Coke.

    If I am going to drink Coke, as I occasionally do at places who do not offer Pepsi or Dr. Pepper products, I prefer to drink Coke Zero Sugar rather than Diet Coke as the latter has always had an astringent,
    bitter taste in the background to me that I do not like.

    I'll drink water (with lemon) or diet pepsi if Diet Coke isn't
    available. Depends on what I'm eating will decide which I'll go with; yesterday's Lebanese lamb plate had diet pepsi with it. The Chicken
    Parmesan I had up in NY at the dinner out with Steve's family had water
    with lemon as my drink.


    Being born and mainly raised out West, it was much more common for me
    to drink Pepsi products than Coke products.

    I was raised with neither in the house, until my mom's mother passed
    away and my mom inherited some stock in Coke. This was during my last
    year of college. I came home for Christmas break to find some Coke
    and Sprite in the fridge; I'd had some Coke off and on over the years
    but always away from home so it was quite the surprise to see it there.
    I'm not sure how long they bought it because I got married a few months
    later. (I didn't go home for Thanksgiving break because I went down to
    NC to see Steve; we made the engagement official on the Bogue fishing
    pier on Emerald Isle the night before Thanksgiving.)

    My personal favorite is diet RC which I can only find in 2-liter
    bottles at Kroger. Canned diet RC is all over but I prefer 2-liter bottles.

    Anything carbonated in 2 litre bottles would go flat before we finished
    it. Got some plain carbonated water in one litre bottles to make fig
    soda after I made some fig syrup a couple of months ago. The one litre
    bottles yielded about 2 glasses of soda for each of us when combined
    with a couple of tablespoons of fig syrup.


    These days I am more likely drinking water with lemon (to hide the
    nasty taste of our city water).

    We have a reverse osmosis filter on our kitchen sink for the same
    reason. We also buy the flavored sparkling water (in cans) at Wegman's.
    Saves buying lots of lemons. (G)

    Hopefully you will get it soon, and that you can regain some
    function. RH> Hooked to a machine for several hours, several times a
    week does not RH> sound like fun.

    That and my doctors told me that in my case, if I get to that stage, I will most likely not live much longer.

    Not what you want to hear.

    That reminds me, I need to get to the VA tomorrow for an electrolyte
    lab test and to uh, drop off a sample. Tests and more tests these
    days...

    I know, I have to see a spine doctor later this week. My regular
    orthopedic doctor noticed something when he did x-rays of my shoulder
    last month, wants me to get it checked out by a specialist.


    We just lost a good friend of ours--former Navy, retired FDNY, had a
    home was packed tight with people. He was the one who made chicken
    piccota for a lot of our Legion get togethers; after I made it for the first time several months ago, I told him and got a "good for you!".
    I'll never make it again without thinking of him.

    I'm sorry for your loss. It's always so difficult losing friends and family but it's a part of life we have to accept. All part of His
    plan.

    I know, we can celebrate the fact that he was in our lives for the last
    11 years. His wife commented after the service that she will have to
    learn how to cook now; he'd done all of it at home as well as at the
    fire department.

    I am afraid that I may suffer the same fate (kidneys working, then
    failing again).�What angers me is that, once again, a majority of the problems that lead to my kidney failure were the fault of the spotty
    care I get from some providers at the VA. I now know better.

    Any possibility of getting them to admit it and you being compensated
    for it? So far, in 16 years of dealing with the VA, Steve has done well
    with his doctors. It's the higher up levels that have, at times, been
    more frustrating.

    As for the chicken piccota, it's nice you have something to
    celebrate SD> your friend's memory with.

    Yes, it was something I'd never had until I had his. Then I came across
    a recipe earlier this year, saw how easy it was, and made it. Instead of slicing the chicken into strips as he did or buying regular breasts and pounding them thin, I buy/use chicken cutlets. They're thin so they cook
    fast and easy to work with.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


    ... There cannot be a crisis today; my schedule is already full.

    --- PPoint 3.01
    * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28)
  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Oct 29 06:50:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Aspertame is what makes the diet colas taste metallic to me. Coke
    Zero uses *some* aspertame but mainly acesulfame potassium and
    stevia. It's flavour profile is very much closer to the "realMcCoy".

    I've been drinking Diet Coke for so long that when I tried a Coke Zero,
    it didn't taste right to me. It has a slightly different flavor profile
    so I'll stay with Diet Coke as long as I can (no pun intended).

    And that's the reason I tried and stuck with the Coke Zero - the flavour profile is pretty much the same as original Coke.

    I note that Coke is going back to cane sugar for its sweetner and
    drop kicking the HFCS to the curb. Now I won't have to se3arch out
    Mexican Coco Cola if I need the fully leaded stuff as an ingredient.

    Or stock up on Mexican Coke or KFP Coke. (G)

    That's the sweet part (pun intended) I won't have to play Joe Friday and
    track down the Mexican or Jewish stuff.

    I did discover a Dr. Pepper product Iquite like,mthough. Sugar free
    Pwppwe mixed with Cream Soda. Apparently other like it as well
    becaouse it's hard to find it not store shelves. Bv)=

    Kinda like my Dannon chocolate/raspberry/fat free yogut. Hard to keep
    in stock.

    And not one that can be replicated with just a scoop of raspberry jam
    in plain yogurt. You need a source of good chocolate also.

    The "Fruit on the bottom" yoghurts are nice. The 4 1/2 oz little tubs
    are a pleasant snack if I get hunger pangs twixt meal times. Or just because.

    I have a Wegman's fruit on the bottom yogurt most days for breakfast. Rotate between blueberry, peach, strawberry and raspberry, the latter 2 being my favorites. If I'm not able to get Wegman's, I'll usually find Dannon's and get it; I'll also get skyr, an Icelandic yogurt like
    product. I've also found quark, a German yogurt like product
    occaisionally in the States, had it quite often when stationed over
    there but not so much since we've been back due to lack of
    availability.

    Be willing to bet that if you check the USDA Establishment label on the Wegman's stuff it is the same as on the Dannon/Oikos product. I certainly
    is on my Hy-Vee and Schnuk's house brand/label product(s).

    I do tomato juice and the cranberry juice - which my nephrologist
    (kidney doc) recommended as being good in several ways for my kidney

    So far my kidneys seem to be doing well without cranberry juice. Had a scare a few years ago with some blood work that indicated maybe
    otherwise so my primary care dr. referred me to a nephrologist. He said all was well, just come back once a year to keep an eye on things. Last time I saw him, he suggested drinking more water (or whatever) to stay better hydrated; this was not too long after our most recent long cross country trip.

    Saw Dr. Nutt (nephrologist) yeaterday and was informed my kidneys are doing well, told to keep on with the Lasix and "see me in six mon ths". I like that he's assuming I'll be available in six months. Bv)=

    Staying hydrated on a long trip is easy for guys. Any bush, tree or
    the vehicle itself provides enough of a "fig leaf" for easing of the pressur. Women don't have the same advantageous plumbing.

    No, but having the camper has been handy for both of us. Just have to
    find a relativly level space and pull off the road, lower the steps and make sure the water pump is turned on.

    Not everyone brings their own Extended Stay America suite with then.
    Bv)=

    No, and there have been times, even with it, that have been close
    calls. Worst time without the camper (but just made it safely) was one time coming down from a trip up north. Heard on traffic radio of an accident southbound on I-95, south of DC and just south of where we
    would pick it up that morning on our traffic radio station, figured it would be cleared by the time we hit the area in late afternoon. Got to where we picked up I-95 and the traffic flow was slower than molasses
    in January. We were in the wrong lane to get to the rest area a few
    miles down the road so had to hold it in until we got to the Quantico area. Took the first exit that offered gas or food, pulled into a Firehouse Subs and both of us made a fast trip to the facilities before even looking at the meal choices. But yes, overall, having the camper
    has added a layer of convenience for us.

    What do you use as a "traffic" radio? Is it part of your GPS or a Sirius/XM channel? Or the good ol' CB radio (if such exists any longer)?

    Tried a new to us place after church today, Taza Grill. They advertise themselves as "The Best Mediterranian Food in the Area!". We both had
    the lamb platter, came with lots of lamb (their words, but true), very tender and Greek Salad, Cucumber Sauce, Hummus and Warm Pita Bread
    (Caps all theirs). It was pretty good, large servings so I took home
    maybe about half of my lamb, pita and some hummus. We'll probably stick with our usual local Mediterranian place but this one was a good one to try.

    Mediterranean gives a wiiiiiiiiide range of cuisines - both European and Africn from whiuch to choose. Besides my favourites (Greek and Italian) there is Spanish, French, Turkish, Israeli, Egyptian, Morrocaan, etc. from which
    to choose.

    I wish we has a decent Greek restaurant here. I get some Greek dishes from
    the local Star 66 truck stop restaurant .... Spanakopita, gyros, sometimes (rarely) moussaka. But never avgolemono.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Greek Lemon Chicken Soup (Avgolemono)
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Rice, Citrus
    Yield: 5 Servings

    4 c Water
    2 lb Bone-in, skin-on chicken
    - thighs and/or legs
    1 md White onion, quartered
    2 lg Carrots; in chunks
    2 Ribs celery; in chunks
    2 Bay leaves
    1/4 c Long-grain white rice;
    - rinsed, drained
    1 Egg white; room temp
    3 Egg yolks; room temp
    1 tb Lemon zest
    1/4 c Lemon juice
    1 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Pepper
    Fresh parsley, dill &
    - oregano; garnish (opt)
    Fresh lemon zest; garnish
    - (opt)

    PREPARE THE CHICKEN BROTH: In a large soup pot, combine
    the water, chicken, onion, carrots, celery and bay
    leaves. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat and then
    reduce to a simmer. Let cook for 2-3 hours, skimming
    foam from the top, as needed, until a rich chicken broth
    forms. (Learn more about making chicken broth, if this
    is new to you.)

    After 2-3 hours, discard the veggies and bay leaves and
    remove the chicken from the broth. Separate the chicken
    meat from the skin and bones, shred and set aside.

    Step 3: Cook the rice Remove 1 cup of broth from the
    stockpot and set aside. Then, bring the remaining broth
    back to a boil and add the rice. Reduce to a simmer and
    cook the rice until tender, about 15-20 minutes.

    EDITOR'S TIP: You may be tempted to skip rinsing your
    rice, but please, don't. Rinsing the rice removes
    surface starch from individual grains, which can cause
    them to become gummy as they cook and clump together.
    For fluffy rice with a better texture, always rinse!

    PREPARE THE AVGOLEMONO: While the rice cooks, prepare
    the avgolemono. In a stand mixer fitted with a whisk
    attachment, beat the egg whites to soft peaks; it will
    take 2-3 minutes.

    Then, add the egg yolks and beat for another 1-2 minutes
    until frothy. Slowly add the lemon juice and zest and
    stir to combine. Then, temper the lemon-egg mixture by
    gradually adding the reserved cup of hot broth to the
    mixer in a slow, steady stream while whisking
    continuously. Continue to beat the mixture until
    well-blended; 1-2 minutes.

    ADD AVGOLEMONO TO SOUP: Slowly transfer the avgolemono
    to the pot of broth and fully cooked rice on the stove.
    Stir to combine and then bring the soup to a simmer. Add
    salt and pepper and cook for 10-12 minutes, or until the
    soup thickens.

    Ladle the soup into bowls and top with a bit of the
    reserved shredded chicken, if desired. Garnish with
    fresh parsley, dill, oregano and lemon zest, and serve
    with crusty bread.

    NOTE: You can save a lot of time by opting for a
    high-quality store-bought chicken broth rather than
    making your own. Simply pick up this recipe at Step 3
    if using store-bought broth.

    Lauren Habermehl, Pewaukee, Wisconsin

    Makes: 4 - 6 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.tasteofhome.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Nov 8 05:50:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    You disappeared off the board for a few days, got me wondering if all
    was OK. Good to see you back.

    I've just graduaated from "The dog ate my homewoek" to "The dogs atee my internet". Bv)=

    Or stock up on Mexican Coke or KFP Coke. (G)

    That's the sweet part (pun intended) I won't have to play Joe Friday
    and track down the Mexican or Jewish stuff.

    Easier to find in some places or times of year than others. When we
    were in AZ, we weren't too far from the border. I went over once, with some friends (had been over the border in TX in the 80s) for some
    shopping (not for Coke). Downside of living that close was the problem with illeagals; had some friends in law enforcement that had been shot
    at.

    That's why the nabs carry guns - so they can shoot back.

    Got that one right! Seemed like every other day there was an article in the newspaper or story on tv news of what illeagals had done.

    Which is how the media work. "Good news" does not sell papers/get clicks/
    have people tune-in. What they peddle (no matter their political leaning
    is the lyric from the old Hee-Haw3 song "gollm, despair, agny on me. Deep
    dark depression, excessive misery". Bv)=

    Sadlt, there is *always* something to vie with alarm.

    I did discover a Dr. Pepper product Iquite like,mthough. Sugar free
    Pwppwe mixed with Cream Soda. Apparently other like it as well
    ****** ?????

    Fat fingers. should have been Pepper

    OK, I know there's a new brand out called Poppie so wasn't sure if you were referring to that or not.

    If you don't sk questions you don't get asnswers. I put Dr. Pepper at
    (about) #8 on my soft drinks list. And cream soda even lower. But the combination .... WOW! Right up there with Coke Zero.

    becaouse it's hard to find it not store shelves. Bv)=

    May be more available in some stores/areas than others.

    I don't understand how soda route drivers think. Their pay is based
    partly on how much "profuct" they move. If I was delivering a product
    that sold out every week I'd leave more and smile all the way to the
    bank. I was
    working in a gas station/c-store when Pepsi One was introduced. We
    sold out to bare shelves within two days after a delivery. And we
    could NOT get the bozo driver to leave more.

    They're not all like that. Steve's last civilian job before he went in
    the Army was filling soda machines at Marine Corps Air Station, Cherry Point. He had an established route, don't know how often he had to fill specific machines. Came home with some interesting coins from Marines
    who tried scamming the machines--he would replace them with quarters of his own and the odd ones got added to an informal coin collection.

    The Mexican cinco centavo (nickle) coin used to was the same size/weight as
    the US 25c coin (quarter) but worth (in exchange) about 1/3 of a US cent. Las Vegas slot machines were flooded with them until the US mob had a meeting with the Mexican mob - who then got the Mexican gummint to "re-design" their nickel so it wouldn't fool US coin mechanisms.

    8<----- SNYP ----->8

    Saw Dr. Nutt (nephrologist) yeaterday and was informed my kidneys are doing well, told to keep on with the Lasix and "see me in six mon
    ths". I like that he's assuming I'll be available in six months. Bv)=

    You're planning to stick around, I presume. (G)

    Well, yeah. I'm reaqy if it happens. Dennis gets the house as long as
    he wants until he go into "other" (assisted living/sheltered care/etc) quarters at which time it goes to Habitat For Humanity to do with as
    they will. It's only fair. Other than my bed all the furniture, lamps,
    etc came from there.

    Sounds like a good idea to me. We'll probably have our girls sell this house and donate stuff to ReStore. My brother left his house to us 4 siblings; Steve and I had just bought our house and didn't want to deal with 1/4 house in Florida so sold back our share ASAP.

    Any money left in my accounts goes (split equally) between St.
    Jude's DD> in Memphis and the Shriner's Cripplped Childrens'
    Hospitals.

    Both good causes.

    I was in the Navy, stationed at NAS Memphis when Danny Thomas broke
    ground for St. Jude's. He done good.

    No, and there have been times, even with it, that have been close
    calls. Worst time without the camper (but just made it safely) was one

    And people wonder why I wear black slacks/workm pants. Bv)= No
    spreading stain to give me away.

    (G)

    What do you use as a "traffic" radio? Is it part of your GPS or a Sirius/XM channel? Or the good ol' CB radio (if such exists any

    Sirius/XM; had it in the first Escape we bought and have continued with it. Steve likes to listen to talk radio (usually Patriot channel 125)
    when driving, will switch to Bluegrass Junction, No Shoes Radio or Willie's Roadhouse also. Listening to Andrew Wilkow on Patriot Radio intoduced us to Aaron Lewis; at the ham raido get together a couple of weeks ago, grand prize in the raffle was an autographed special made
    for him guitar. No, I didn't win it.

    If I'm not listening to Real Jazz or 40s Junction I can be found
    getting on on what "the Shadow Knows" on old time radio channel. They
    did Orson Welles' 1939 "War Of The Worlds" on 31 October.

    We've listened to old time radio sometimes but it's harder to follow
    the story with road noise. Music or talk radio works better.

    I bet it's harder to follow the chin music (which can be a good thing) than the instrumental music.

    Tried a new to us place after church today, Taza Grill. They RH>
    advertise RH> themselves as "The Best Mediterranian Food in the RH>
    Area!". RH> We DD> both had RH> the lamb platter, came with lots of

    Mediterranean gives a wiiiiiiiiide range of cuisines - both European
    and Africn from whiuch to choose. Besides my favourites (Greek and Italian) there is Spanish, French, Turkish, Israeli, Egyptian,
    Morrocaan, etc. to pick from.

    We've liked most all that we've tried; it's the Middle Eastern/Greece
    area I refer to as Mediterranian. Spanish, Italian, French, etc I
    classify as European.

    I wish we has a decent Greek restaurant here. I get some Greek dishes
    from

    My favourite Greek soup:

    We do talk a lot, don't we? 'nother Greek favourite:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Byzantine Dolmathes (Stuffed Grape Leaves)
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Rice, Nuts, Wine
    Yield: 60 Servings

    1 Jar grapeleaves; or fresh

    MMMMM--------------------------FILLING-------------------------------
    2 tb Oil
    1 lb Ground lamb or beef
    2 md Onions; chopped
    1 cl Garlic; pressed
    2 c Water
    1/2 c Tomato sauce
    1 c Rice
    2 tb Chopped mint
    2 tb Chopped parsley
    1/2 ts Salt
    Pepper
    1/8 ts Cinnamon
    1/2 c Currants
    1/4 c Port wine
    1/4 c Pine nuts or walnuts
    2 c Water
    1 Lemon; juice only

    MMMMM---------------------------SAUCE--------------------------------
    3 lg Eggs
    2 Lemons; strained juice only
    1 c Hot broth

    If using canned grape leaves, rinse off brine by floating
    leaves in a basin of cold water. Prepare fresh vine leaves
    by pouring a cup of boiling water over them in a bowl.
    Drain. Spread 5 or 6 leaves out at a time on a flat surface.
    Lay leaf stem side up. Snip off stem with kitchen shears.

    MAKE FILLING: Heat oil in large frying pan. Fry meat, onions
    and garlic on medium heat for 5 minutes, mixing it as it
    cooks. Add water and remaining ingredients. Bring to a boil.
    Cover. Reduce heat to simmer and cook 10 minutes, until
    water is absorbed. Set aside until cool enough to handle.
    Put 1 teaspoon of filling near stem. Bring left side of leaf
    towards center, then bring right side towards center. They
    will not always meet. Pick up stem end of leaf, tucking in
    the filling. Roll away from you. It will be an oblong roll
    like a sausage.

    Line the bottom of a large skillet with 4 leaves. Place each
    roll so that the tucked under end is on the bottom. Arrange
    each roll snugly, one next to the other, until all the
    leaves (except 3), and filling are gone. Place these leaves
    flat on top of rolls. Place a flat dish on top of rolls also
    to prevent their unravelling during cooking.

    Add water and lemon juice. Bring to a boil. Cover. Reduce
    heat to simmer and cook 45 minutes. When done, remove pot
    from fire. Make Egg and Lemon Sauce and add to broth
    immediately or serve without sauce either cold as an
    appetizer or as a hot entree.

    EGG AND LEMON SAUCE: Beat eggs until thick and light yellow,
    at least 5 minutes, with an electric beater or 10 to 15
    minutes by hand. Add juice slowly, beating all the while.
    Mix 1 cup hot broth into beaten eggs, stirring it in quickly
    with spoon (or wire whisk) so heat will not curdle the eggs.
    Cook over very low heat until thickened.

    From: "The Complete Greek Cookbook" by Theresa Karas
    Yianilos. Avenel Books, New York.

    Typed for you by Karen Mintzias

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Nov 8 09:15:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    the local Star 66 truck stop restaurant .... Spanakopita, gyros,
    sometimes (rarely) moussaka. But never avgolemono.

    We've got some down in Raleigh but usually don't go down there just for
    a meal unless it's a special occaision. If we're down there, we'll get something, sometimes fast food, sometimes more upscale. Yesterday was Steve's birthday so we went to the local Texas Roadhouse. I also made a pumpkin roll; that's been his birthday cake ever since his mom gave me
    the recipe in 1992.

    This is my other favourite Greek speciality - especially when someone
    else is making it. Bv)=

    Title: Moussaka - Part One
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Cheese, Potatoes, Casseroles, Sauces
    Yield: 8 Servings

    I've eaten it different times but not (yet) tried making it. It may be like some things, enjoy it when somebody else has taken the time/effort
    to make it.

    It's sorta/kinda like a Greek lasagne using potatoes/eggplant for the pasta sheets. I will note, too, that nat all moussaka uses bechamel. I've had some very tasty moussaka made with red gravy.

    I've made this recipe - once only - and it was quite tasty. Almost converted
    me to red moussaka. I'dgladly eat it if someone else made it.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: A.T.K. Moussaka
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Potatoes, Herbs, Sauces
    Yield: 8 servings

    3 1/2 lb Eggplant; in 3/4" cubes
    1/2 c + 2 ts + 3 tb EVOO; divided
    2 ts Table salt; divided
    3/4 ts Pepper; divided
    1 1/2 lb Yukon Gold potatoes; peel on
    - sliced crosswise 1/4"

    MMMMM------------------------MEAT SAUCE------------------------------
    1 tb Extra-virgin olive oil
    1 lg Onion; chopped fine
    1/2 ts Table salt
    4 cl Garlic; minced
    1 tb Tomato paste
    1/2 c Dry red wine
    2 ts Paprika
    2 ts Dried oregano
    1/2 ts Red pepper flakes
    1/4 ts Ground cinnamon
    1 lb Ground chuck beef
    14 1/2 oz Can crushed tomatoes
    2 ts Red wine vinegar

    MMMMM-------------------------BECHAMEL-------------------------------
    6 tb unsalted butter
    1/2 c A-P flour
    2 1/2 c Whole milk
    4 oz Kasseri cheese; shredded
    1/4 ts Table salt
    1/8 ts Ground nutmeg
    3 lg Egg yolks; lightly beaten

    FOR THE VEGETABLES: Adjust oven racks to middle and
    lower-middle positions and heat oven to 450ºF/232ºC.
    Line 2 rimmed baking sheets with aluminum foil and spray
    with vegetable oil spray. Divide eggplant evenly among
    prepared sheets. Toss each batch with 1/4 cup oil, 1/2
    teaspoon salt, and 1/4 teaspoon pepper until evenly
    coated, and spread eggplant into single layer. Roast
    until eggplant is softened and lightly browned, about 30
    minutes, switching and rotating sheets halfway through
    roasting. Transfer sheets to wire racks to cool. Reduce
    oven temperature to 400ºF/205ºC.

    While eggplant roasts, grease 13" X 9" baking dish with
    2 teaspoons oil. In medium bowl, toss potatoes with
    remaining 3 tablespoons oil, 1 teaspoon salt, and 1/4
    teaspoon pepper. Cover and microwave until potatoes can
    be easily pierced with tip of paring knife, 8 to 10
    minutes, stirring halfway through microwaving. Transfer
    potatoes, along with any accumulated liquid, to prepared
    dish and let rest until cool enough to handle, about 15
    minutes. Shingle evenly in dish.

    FOR THE MEAT SAUCE: Heat oil in Dutch oven over medium
    heat until shimmering. Add onion and salt and cook,
    stirring occasionally, until just starting to brown, 6
    to 8 minutes. Add garlic and stir constantly until
    fragrant, about 1 minute. Add tomato paste and cook,
    stirring frequently, until paste darkens, about 2
    minutes. Stir in wine, scraping up any browned bits from
    bottom of pot. Add paprika, oregano, pepper flakes, and
    cinnamon and cook, stirring frequently, until wine is
    almost completely evaporated, 2 to 3 minutes. Add beef;
    increase heat to medium-high; and cook, breaking up meat
    with wooden spoon, until no pink remains, 4 to 5
    minutes. Add tomatoes and cook, stirring occasionally,
    until liquid has almost completely evaporated and spoon
    leaves trail when dragged through sauce, 6 to 8 minutes.
    Stir in vinegar, cover, and remove from heat.

    FOR THE BÉCHAMEL: Melt butter in medium saucepan over
    medium heat. Whisk in flour and cook until golden, about
    one minute. Slowly whisk in milk and cook, whisking
    constantly, until mixture is thick, smooth, and comes to
    boil, about 5 minutes. Off heat, whisk in kasseri, salt,
    and nutmeg. Cover and let stand for 5 minutes. Whisk in
    egg yolks and cover to keep warm.

    Cover potatoes with eggplant, lightly pressing into even
    layer. Spread meat sauce in even layer over eggplant.
    Top with béchamel. Place dish on rimmed baking sheet and
    bake on middle rack until top of moussaka is deeply
    browned in spots and is bubbling at edges, about 30
    minutes. Let cool for 30 minutes before serving.

    By: Steve Dunn

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.americastestkitchen.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:124/5016 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Nov 11 08:31:28 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    You disappeared off the board for a few days, got me wondering if all
    was OK. Good to see you back.

    I've just graduaated from "The dog ate my homewoek" to "The dogs atee
    my internet". Bv)=

    I've had those times, glad I have a resident computer guru/geek on premisis. (G)

    The yappies are why the techs had to make a return visit. The cable they
    ate was in their yard, not mine. The fur kids we are boarding are much
    too well behaved to ever do something like nthat. Bv)=

    8<----- +++++----->8

    Which is how the media work. "Good news" does not sell papers/get
    clicks/ have people tune-in. What they peddle (no matter their
    political leaning is the lyric from the old Hee-Haw3 song "gollm,
    despair, agny on me. Deep dark depression, excessive misery". Bv)=

    I remember that one, and the phrase "If it bleeds, it leads" which is
    so often true in all forms of media.

    Sadly, there is *always* something to view with alarm.

    All too true.

    I hated it when something I had been "viewing with alarm" that was not 'sensational' became headline material and I could say, smugly, "See,
    I told you...." But, Istill said it. Bv)=

    8<----- ELIDE ----->8

    If you don't sk questions you don't get asnswers. I put Dr. Pepper at (about) #8 on my soft drinks list. And cream soda even lower. But the combination .... WOW! Right up there with Coke Zero.

    I like cream soda; I do not like Dr. Pepper. I'll probably never try
    the combination tho.

    My first go was when somoene handed me a bottle and I took a drink withut paying attention - until it hit my mouth.

    I don't understand how soda route drivers think. Their pay is based
    partly on how much "profuct" they move. If I was delivering a product
    that sold out every week I'd leave more and smile all the way to the
    bank. I was

    They're not all like that. Steve's last civilian job before he went in
    the Army was filling soda machines at Marine Corps Air Station, Cherry Point. He had an established route, don't know how often he had to fill specific machines. Came home with some interesting coins from Marines
    who tried scamming the machines--he would replace them with quarters of his own and the odd ones got added to an informal coin collection.

    The Mexican cinco centavo (nickle) coin used to was the same
    size/weight as the US 25c coin (quarter) but worth (in exchange) about
    1/3 of a US cent. Las Vegas slot machines were flooded with them until
    the US mob had a meeting with the Mexican mob - who then got the
    Mexican gummint to "re-design" their nickel so it wouldn't fool US
    coin mechanisms.

    In Steve's case, he got more Korean and European coinage.

    As they say "A pint's a pound, the world around." What we need is a good
    five-cent nicklel.

    8<----- SNYP ----->8

    Any money left in my accounts goes (split equally) between St.
    Jude's DD> in Memphis and the Shriner's Cripplped Childrens'
    Hospitals.

    Both good causes.

    I was in the Navy, stationed at NAS Memphis when Danny Thomas broke
    ground for St. Jude's. He done good.

    We've driven by it various times either heading out west or coming back from a western trip. Also seen enough fund raising appeals on
    syndicated tv channels.

    Memphis is sorta/kinda like Hot-lanta. I take the run-around roads and
    don't try going right through. Generally quicker and less flustrating.

    What do you use as a "traffic" radio? Is it part of your GPS or a Sirius/XM channel? Or the good ol' CB radio (if such exists any

    Sirius/XM; had it in the first Escape we bought and have continued with it. Steve likes to listen to talk radio (usually Patriot channel 125)
    when driving, will switch to Bluegrass Junction, No Shoes Radio or Willie's Roadhouse also. Listening to Andrew Wilkow on Patriot Radio intoduced us to Aaron Lewis; at the ham raido get together a couple of weeks ago, grand prize in the raffle was an autographed special made
    for him guitar. No, I didn't win it.

    If I'm not listening to Real Jazz or 40s Junction I can be found
    getting on on what "the Shadow Knows" on old time radio channel. They
    did Orson Welles' 1939 "War Of The Worlds" on 31 October.

    We've listened to old time radio sometimes but it's harder to follow

    No harder than when we were chirrun - especiallly if you're pre-TV as I wss.

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    Title: Turkey Meatloaf TV Dinner
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Potatoes, Herbs
    Yield: 4 Dinners

    MMMMM--------------------------MEATLOAF-------------------------------
    Cooking spray
    1 1/4 lb Ground turkey
    1 sm Onion; grated
    1/3 c Breadcrumbs
    1 Rib celery; fine chopped
    1 lg Egg; lightly beaten
    1/2 c Ketchup
    1 tb Chopped fresh parsley
    Salt & fresh ground pepper
    2 ts Soy sauce
    1 ts Worcestershire sauce

    MMMMM---------------------------SIDES--------------------------------
    1 1/2 lb Russet potatoes; peeled,
    - quartered
    Salt
    3 tb Butter; romm temp
    1/2 c Milk; hot
    Fresh ground pepper
    12 oz Bag frozen peas
    4 Compartmented trays *

    MAKE THE MEATLOAF: Set the oven @ 375ºF/190ºC.

    Coat a 9" X 5" loaf pan with cooking spray. Put the
    turkey, onion, breadcrumbs, celery, egg, 2 tablespoons
    ketchup, the parsley, 1/2 teaspoon salt, and pepper to
    taste in a bowl. Mix with your hands until just
    combined, then transfer to the prepared pan.

    Combine the remaining 1/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons ketchup
    with the soy sauce and Worcestershire sauce in a small
    bowl; spread 2 tablespoons of the ketchup mixture over
    the meatloaf. Bake until the top begins to brown, about
    30 minutes, then spread the remaining ketchup mixture
    over the meatloaf and continue baking until browned.
    Let stand 5 minutes before slicing.

    Meanwhile, make the mashed potatoes. Put the potatoes in
    a large saucepan and cover with cold water; season with
    salt. Bring to a simmer and cook over medium-low heat
    until tender, about 30 minutes. Drain, then return to
    the saucepan and mash with the butter. Add the milk and
    season with salt and pepper; continue mashing until
    fluffy.

    Put the peas in a microwave-safe bowl, sprinkle with
    water and season with salt and pepper. Cover and
    microwave until warmed through, about 4 minutes.

    Serve the meatloaf with the peas and mashed potatoes.

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Sean Dennis on Tue Nov 11 16:35:53 2025
    Hi Sean,


    Most talk radio hosts are pretty understandable. OTOH, some of the
    callers are, shall we say, not so comprehensible, either in their
    speech or ideas,

    Reminds me of Coast To Coast AM, originally with Art Bell who sadly
    passed away, and now with George Noory. Some of the stuff that is discussed is way, way out there.

    I remember listening to some of them when we first lived in NC and Steve
    drove all night to get to NY. Some of them were really nut cases. We
    also carried a box of cassette tapes for the player when there was
    nothing good (or available) on the radio. I would stay awake on those
    drives to keep Steve company/feed him coffee, snacks etc while the girls
    slept. When we got to family (usually his) the next morning, he would
    crash and the girls would be wide awake for the day. I'd have the "fun"
    of parenting while asleep on my feet, nothing really new, just a change
    in environments.


    Title: Sean's Salmon Patties
    Categories: Main dish, Fish, Seandennis
    Yield: 4 Servings

    I was going to make those the other day but left overs took precidence.
    Went out for Sunday dinner so last night we had left overs from that,
    out to Olive Garden for Veteran's Day meal so it looks like it may be
    Friday before we do the salmon patties since we once again have left
    overs. (G)

    1 Can (14 3/4 oz) salmon
    4 oz Saltines, finely crushed
    2 tb Onion flakes
    2 Eggs
    1 tb Lemon juice
    1 ts Black pepper
    Oil or butter for frying

    I usually use bread crumbs instead of crackers, lemon juice only if I
    have it. Fried potatoes are the usual side.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Nov 15 08:46:00 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I like cream soda; I do not like Dr. Pepper. I'll probably never try
    the combination tho.

    My first go was when somoene handed me a bottle and I took a drink
    withut paying attention - until it hit my mouth.

    I'll ask what it is before drinking.

    This was a relatively stick-in-the-mud typre event with no reasone to exoect something n the "gotcha" category. But it sure go my attention.

    I still try to peruse the available drinks or ask if offered one, what
    it is. Did find out that Olive Garden has raspberry diet Coke when we
    went there for lunch on Tuesday. I'm wondering if this means it will be back as a choice in the "pick your own flavor" machines.

    Once in a while I get surprised by something I didn't/wouldn't have asked
    for and am made a convert to some degree. But not often.

    8<----- CLIP ----->8

    All Ihave left of "odd" coinage is (if I remember where I put them)
    some Loonies and Teonies (Canadian dollar/two dollar coins.

    I don't have any of them but do have an assortment of European
    countries coinage as we were stationed in Germany pre EU. I've got a
    few Canadian pennies, Mexican pesoes, various Asian coinage, also some Polish paper money.

    I have a couple of Russian 10 rubble nots somewhere in all of my plunder.
    when I last looked they were worth about 8c/Americn .....

    As they say "A pint's a pound, the world around." What we need is
    a good five-cent nicklel.

    Now more than ever, now that the penny is going away.

    It will be a while before they disppear. But they have quit making new ones.

    One of the lacals here quit doing pennies a could years ago. Roundibng each transaction to the neareast nickel. And not doing paper dollarsa.

    When we were stationed in Germany, both the (American) post office and bank on post dealt with pennies, all other facilities rounded to the nearest nickel. IIRC, I rolled maybe a dollar or so in pennies over the almost 6 years we were over there.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Falscher Hase
    Categories: Beef, Meatloaf, Pork
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1/2 lb Ground Beef; lean
    1/2 lb Ground Pork; lean
    1 md Onion; chopped
    3 tb Bread Crumbs
    3 tb Water; cold
    2 lg Eggs
    1/2 ts Salt
    1 ts Paprika
    1 ts Prepared mustard
    2 tb Parsley; Chopped
    3 lg Hard cooked eggs; peeled
    4 sl Bacon
    4 tb Oil
    1 c Beef Broth

    MMMMM---------------------------SAUCE--------------------------------
    1/4 c Water; Hot
    1/4 c Water
    1 ts Cornstarch
    1/2 c Sour Cream

    Thoroughly mix ground meats, onion, bread crumbs, 3 Tb cold water, and
    eggs. Flavor w/salt, praprika, mustard, & parsley. Blend ingredients
    thoroughly.

    Flatten out meat mixture in the shape of a square, (8" X 8"). Arrange
    whole hard-boiled eggs in a row along the middle of the meat. Fold
    sides of meat pattie over the eggs. Shape meat carefully into a loaf
    resembling a flat bread loaf.

    Occasionally rinse hands in cold water to prevent sticking.

    Cube 2 strips bacon; cook in a Dutch oven about 2 minutes. Carefully
    add the oil; heat. Place meatloaf in the Dutch oven and cook until
    browned on all sides. Cut remaining bacon strips in half and arrange
    over the top of the meatloaf.

    Place uncovered Dutch oven in a preheated oven for about 45 minutes.
    While meat is baking, gradually pour hot beef broth over the top of
    the meatloaf; brush occasionally with pan dripping.

    When done remove meat to a preheated platter and keep it warm. Add
    1/4 cup of hot water to pan and scrape all gribbens from the bottom.
    Bring to a gentle boil and add cornstarch that has been mixed with
    1/4 cup water. Cook until bubbly and thick.

    Remove from heat and stir in sour cream. Reheat to warm. Season
    w/salt and pepper if desired.

    Serve the sauce separately.

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Nov 16 17:40:55 2025
    Hi Dave,


    This was a relatively stick-in-the-mud typre event with no reasone to exoect something n the "gotcha" category. But it sure go my attention.

    I still try to peruse the available drinks or ask if offered one, what
    it is. Did find out that Olive Garden has raspberry diet Coke when we
    went there for lunch on Tuesday. I'm wondering if this means it will be back as a choice in the "pick your own flavor" machines.

    Once in a while I get surprised by something I didn't/wouldn't have
    asked for and am made a convert to some degree. But not often.

    I know, when we were in Kentucky for an RV rally in 2018, at the pot
    luck supper, there was an assortment of drinks. I told Steve to get me something so he came back with Ale 8 One, diet (now Ale 8 Zero). That
    was good, so we took home a box of 12. Got another box on our way home
    from a western trip some years later, most recently one of the couple in
    our neighborhood gave me a couple of boxes (We tend their dog on some of
    their trips.) after a trip back to see family.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Nov 17 14:13:35 2025
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I know, when we were in Kentucky for an RV rally in 2018, at the pot
    luck supper, there was an assortment of drinks. I told Steve to get me something so he came back with Ale 8 One, diet (now Ale 8 Zero). That
    was good, so we took home a box of 12. Got another box on our way home from a western trip some years later, most recently one of the couple
    in our neighborhood gave me a couple of boxes (We tend their dog on
    some of their trips.) after a trip back to see family.

    I've seen Ale 8 at my local Kroger and Walmart stores. Walmart has
    recently really stripped the amount of choice in their soda offerings
    so I prefer to go to Kroger to get soda (Kroger's house-brand soda is
    much cheaper and just as good, if not better, than brand-name soda)
    these days. They even have Diet RC (RC is my favorita cola) and they're
    the only ones who have it in my area.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Coca-Cola Pot Roast
    Categories: Meat, Crockpot
    Yield: 8 Servings

    3 lb Beef
    2 tb Oil
    1 cn Tomatoes
    1 c Coca-Cola
    1 ea Onions, chopped
    1 pk Spaghetti sauce mix
    1 1/2 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Garlic salt

    Brown meat in oil for ten minutes on each side; remove to crockpot.
    Drain fat. Break up tomatoes in their juice; add remaining
    ingredients, stirring until spaghetti sauce mix is dissolved. Pour
    over meat. Cover; simmer until meat is tender, about 6-10 hours on
    low Thicken gravy; serve over sliced meat.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RUTH HAFFLY on Tue Nov 18 09:54:54 2025
    I know, when we were in Kentucky for an RV rally in 2018, at the pot
    luck supper, there was an assortment of drinks. I told Steve to get me something so he came back with Ale 8 One, diet (now Ale 8 Zero). That
    was good, so we took home a box of 12. Got another box on our way home
    from a western trip some years later, most recently one of the couple in
    our neighborhood gave me a couple of boxes (We tend their dog on some of their trips.) after a trip back to see family.

    LOL, I am enjoying an Ale 8 right now... non-diet. ;) I just opened it
    and then opened this message.

    Mike

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Sean Dennis on Tue Nov 18 14:18:15 2025
    Hi Sean,


    I know, when we were in Kentucky for an RV rally in 2018, at the pot
    luck supper, there was an assortment of drinks. I told Steve to get me something so he came back with Ale 8 One, diet (now Ale 8 Zero). That
    was good, so we took home a box of 12. Got another box on our way home from a western trip some years later, most recently one of the couple
    in our neighborhood gave me a couple of boxes (We tend their dog on
    some of their trips.) after a trip back to see family.

    I've seen Ale 8 at my local Kroger and Walmart stores. Walmart has recently really stripped the amount of choice in their soda offerings
    so I prefer to go to Kroger to get soda (Kroger's house-brand soda is
    much cheaper and just as good, if not better, than brand-name soda)
    these days. They even have Diet RC (RC is my favorita cola) and
    they're the only ones who have it in my area.

    I should have looked for it when we were out in Pidgeon Forge last year.
    (G) First couple of days were nice and sunny, then, Tuesday night as we gathered for supper, the first rains of Helene hit us. It was still
    raining Thursday when we pulled out about noon, hitting eastbound I-40
    about an hour later. Less than 24 hours later, that part of I-40 was in
    the river.

    I've not had an RC cola in decades as either Coke or pepsi is a lot more available across the country. I'll have to see if it's available locally
    and if so, give the diet version a try. I prefer diet Coke; diet pepsi
    seems to be just a bit sweeter but I'll drink it from time to time if
    Coke isn't available. Since pepsi is a NC product (developed in New
    Bern), it is a lot more popular in the state, especially at big name events/venues.

    ... I'm not afraid of heights. I'm afraid of widths.

    Cute (G)


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    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 18 14:28:16 2025
    Hi Mike,

    I know, when we were in Kentucky for an RV rally in 2018, at the pot luck supper, there was an assortment of drinks. I told Steve to get
    me > something so he came back with Ale 8 One, diet (now Ale 8 Zero).
    That > was good, so we took home a box of 12. Got another box on our
    way home > from a western trip some years later, most recently one of
    the couple in > our neighborhood gave me a couple of boxes (We tend
    their dog on some of > their trips.) after a trip back to see family.

    LOL, I am enjoying an Ale 8 right now... non-diet. ;) I just opened
    it and then opened this message.

    I'd never heard of it until we went to that rally. It quickly became a
    favorite but since we can't get it in NC, I drink diet Coke for the most
    part. Yes, the non diet would be nice but I keep my blood glucose in
    better check by drinking the diet version. In theory, I'm diabetic but
    I keep it well controlled by diet alone. Most of the time my carbonated
    drink of choice is sparkling water; I might have a soda maybe once a
    week/10 days.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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