Company Policy will always get you.
I've flown a lot of airlines.
Last time I flew Iberia I heard the "ping ping" from the cockpit and a bit later a flight attendant enters the cockpit with 4 of those tiny whiskey bottles and 2 glasses with ice.
Though, their cockpit culture and training methods (NOT STANDARDS) are still Korea's number one issue.
On Sun 31-May-2026 10:08p, Ward Dossche@2:292/854.0 said to Rug Rat:
Company Policy will always get you.
I've flown a lot of airlines.
Last time I flew Iberia I heard the "ping ping" from the cockpit
and a bit later a flight attendant enters the cockpit with 4 of
those tiny whiskey bottles and 2 glasses with ice.
Funny you should mention that. Air France policy allowed their pilots
to consume a glass of wine with their meals, it was considered part
of a propper meal.
The former Asiana Airlines (Now part of Hanjin Group <KAL>) and it subsidiaries breathalized before every flight. In fact their pilot
strike 5 or so years back was mainly to 1) Allow them to carry their
gulf clubs as baggage, and 2) Drop the requirement for alchohol
screening before each flight. If memory serves I do not think they
got either.
Though, their cockpit culture and training methods (NOT STANDARDS)
are still Korea's number one issue. They may not have the frequency
of incidents they did in the 80s and 90s, but when they have them,
they're a doozie, and the Pilot Unions, Airlines (Cheobo's), and transportation ministry will usually find a convient scapegoat to say
the pilots are not at fault.
ASIANA 214 - It was the 777 A/T system.
Jin Air 2216 - Aircraft hit a bird on approach, pilots shut down the
wrong engine and collided with wall at the end of the runway.
Korean's focus on the wall.
Though, their cockpit culture and training methods (NOT STANDARDS)
are still Korea's number one issue.
As a rule, I stay away from Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Russian
airliners ...
I've seen intoxicated Russians. The one time I let my daughter fly
Aeroflot to China was when I knew the cockpit crews of their 777s at
that time were German.
I may have told this before, but one time I was queueing for
immigration either at SEATAC or MSP and over the PA came an
announcement "Japanese translator for booth 11 (or 14)". That was
where the flight crews went through and there was the captain of a
Japan Airlines 787 waiting to be processed... his language proficiency
of English was inadequate ... So I started staying away from Japanese airlines as well.
Call me crazy? After they ridiculed the findings of thorough accident investigation teams I started to avoid Egyptian and Turkish as well.
That was after the Egyptian 767 suicide crash in the Atlantic and the Turkish 737 incident at Amsterdam when Turkey rejected pilot error
after obvious faulty radio altimeter readings and the plane stalled at
low altitude.
For one - going into Frankfurt with a lot older senior pilot ic he was asked if he had been there before and he said yes but did not stop.
It all went very quiet for a few seconds then a number of FC just in
tears :)
For one - going into Frankfurt with a lot older senior pilot ic he
was asked if he had been there before and he said yes but did not
stop. It all went very quiet for a few seconds then a number of FC
just in tears :)
It's like the video I once saw about a German coast guard station
receiving a call "Mayday Mayday Mayday we are sinking we are sinking"
and the German operator asks in Germanized English "Yes, what are you szinking about?"
I don't have to explain this, do I?
For one - going into Frankfurt with a lot older senior pilot ic he was VC>> asked if he had been there before and he said yes but did not stop.
It all went very quiet for a few seconds then a number of FC just in
tears :)
It's like the video I once saw about a German coast guard station receiving a call "Mayday Mayday Mayday we are sinking we are sinking"
and the German operator asks in Germanized English "Yes, what are you szinking about?"
I don't have to explain this, do I?
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Vincent Coen wrote to Rug Rat <=-
a flight and My rule is 12 hours bottle to throttle
Terry Roati wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
I prefer the one between the US destroyer and the Irish lighthouse.
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