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  • Re: AI is for free - really?

    From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Sun Jul 5 20:15:37 2026
    On 2026-07-05, Markus Robert Kessler <[email protected]> wrote:
    ....
    I ordered one piece 3 years ago from Reichelt Elektronik, Germany:
    MZ-77E1T0B Samsung SSD 870 EVO Series 1TB: Euro 61.50 (including tax).

    Now I see EXACTLY the same HD: Euro 309.00 (!)
    ( https://www.reichelt.de/de/de/shop/suche/MZ-77E1T0B )


    What would you do? You have a SSD for sale. One person offers your 300
    Euro for it. Another offers you 60 Euro? You have the ssd so there is no
    cost to you whichever one you choose. You will make a profit in both
    cases. Which customer would you sell it to.?
    Same picture on Amazon & co.

    Tech magazines claim that this is because Google, OpenAI & Co are buying every storage device they can get for their AI datacenters.

    Well, be it so, but how can a product, for which no further development is needed any more, rise to 5 times the price within 3 years?
    Are they kidding us?
    Because google, openai, ... are willing to pay E300 for any you have.

    (That it is the raw chips makes no difference.).

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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Tue Jul 7 16:25:05 2026
    On 2026-07-05 12:25, Markus Robert Kessler wrote:
    Hi all,

    though AI has only few to do with Mageia OS, this one has to be stored on some HD as well. So, indirectly, this touches all of us.

    What happened?

    I was about to order a handful new SSHD disks, because the disks I had,
    were placed into machines meanwhile. So, I started to place a purchase
    order, 2 pcs Samsung EVO 870 1TB.

    I ordered one piece 3 years ago from Reichelt Elektronik, Germany:
    MZ-77E1T0B Samsung SSD 870 EVO Series 1TB: Euro 61.50 (including tax).

    Now I see EXACTLY the same HD: Euro 309.00 (!)
    ( https://www.reichelt.de/de/de/shop/suche/MZ-77E1T0B )

    Same picture on Amazon & co.

    Tech magazines claim that this is because Google, OpenAI & Co are buying every storage device they can get for their AI datacenters.

    Well, be it so, but how can a product, for which no further development is needed any more, rise to 5 times the price within 3 years?
    Are they kidding us?

    Best regards,

    Markus


    The most basic principle of economics at work:

    https://www.principlesofeconomics.net/law-of-supply-and-demand-definition-of-supply-and-demand

    If you had been part of a produce business for the last 65 years like I
    have, you'd have seen this law at work many times.

    TJ

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  • From Markus Robert Kessler@2:250/1 to All on Thu Jul 9 11:59:02 2026
    On Tue, 7 Jul 2026 11:25:05 -0400 TJ wrote:

    On 2026-07-05 12:25, Markus Robert Kessler wrote:
    Hi all,

    though AI has only few to do with Mageia OS, this one has to be stored
    on some HD as well. So, indirectly, this touches all of us.

    What happened?

    I was about to order a handful new SSHD disks, because the disks I had,
    were placed into machines meanwhile. So, I started to place a purchase
    order, 2 pcs Samsung EVO 870 1TB.

    I ordered one piece 3 years ago from Reichelt Elektronik, Germany:
    MZ-77E1T0B Samsung SSD 870 EVO Series 1TB: Euro 61.50 (including tax).

    Now I see EXACTLY the same HD: Euro 309.00 (!)
    ( https://www.reichelt.de/de/de/shop/suche/MZ-77E1T0B )

    Same picture on Amazon & co.

    Tech magazines claim that this is because Google, OpenAI & Co are
    buying every storage device they can get for their AI datacenters.

    Well, be it so, but how can a product, for which no further development
    is needed any more, rise to 5 times the price within 3 years?
    Are they kidding us?

    Best regards,

    Markus


    The most basic principle of economics at work:

    https://www.principlesofeconomics.net/law-of-supply-and-demand-
    definition-of-supply-and-demand

    If you had been part of a produce business for the last 65 years like I
    have, you'd have seen this law at work many times.

    TJ

    Hi,

    that's what I had been told many times recently, yes!

    It is like this:
    Google, Microsoft, OpenAI and all the others demand for huge SSHDs like 8 TByte and above. And, they are not only able, but they are also willing to
    pay any price.
    So, Samsung, Western et al. conclude: "Hey, we're not stupid. If this is
    the way to make big money, so, let's focus on producing huge HDs and stop wasting time with producing for end-customers".
    ....And normal people (as we are) can empty the stocks, or look on ebay...

    That's not fair, but this is the basic rule of business.

    Best regards,

    Markus


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